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sr. member
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Tho I resolved it by adding nodes from main posts (which I collected month ago), and restaring client.

ACME 's response is sluggish, admittedly but the list of nodes is up-to-date: http://tessier.bel-epa.com:5064/main/node/

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Also I have seen that with growing blockchain also client grows in ram, with time (when I first runned in may it was about 415mb usage, now it's 475mb), it's not so huge still, but
maybe worth considering if it's possible to optimize usage of ram, for lower powered devices (arm-like rpi).

Your speculation is off-target, your machine's RAM usage has nothing to do with the growing blockchain length, it is related to the growing number of transactions associated with the addresses in the wallet. <- NB

PoS is an alternative means of securing the public ledger. In that respect, it's not dissimilar to PoW (more hashing == more coins) except that more coins == more hashing. On the server, I run 3 clients: 1 bog-standard client, generously funded and  two empty bsd4.8 wallets (mainnet & testnet) to feed the Slimcoin ACME. top reports the empty mainnet wallet as 12440 RES, the funded wallet as 608668 RES.

Cheers

Graham


I don't think my spelucation is so off-target, maybe it isn't related to blockchain itself, but it must be related around it, because when first you start Slimcoin client without any blockchain (ground zero), I had 30-45mb usage of ram on my vm. Now it's 480mb, after fully synchronized client. And I didn't import my privkeys, so wallet is empty, without any tx's.

BTW. - casimir will probably set up exchange in this or next week, thanks for help @gjhiggins.
So we will have 2 exchanges.
Unfortunatetly, on nova I have seen that 0.5+BTC was sold today.
Or fortunately, more cheap coins if someone wants now to set-up buy order.
legendary
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want to try...but...where I get the coin??

To buy Slimcoins, visit NovaExchange. The site is easy to use and doesn't require verification. (You can also try to mine if you have a decent CPU)

To get the client, visit Downloads & Installation. As a new user I recommend the 0.5 version that is linked there.

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I can mint also with 0 balance?

Only if you previously burnt coins - that means that you must first buy or mine some coins and then "destroy" them (no, there is no completely "free lunch" in this coin). See what Proof of Burn is about.
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I am the Kung Fury...
Really great idea...read the documents and is really something different from all other coins ( not so easy but more or less I understand ).

want to try...but...where I get the coin?? I can mint also with 0 balance?
legendary
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Tho I resolved it by adding nodes from main posts (which I collected month ago), and restaring client.

ACME 's response is sluggish, admittedly but the list of nodes is up-to-date: http://tessier.bel-epa.com:5064/main/node/

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Also I have seen that with growing blockchain also client grows in ram, with time (when I first runned in may it was about 415mb usage, now it's 475mb), it's not so huge still, but
maybe worth considering if it's possible to optimize usage of ram, for lower powered devices (arm-like rpi).

Your speculation is off-target, your machine's RAM usage has nothing to do with the growing blockchain length, it is related to the growing number of transactions associated with the addresses in the wallet. <- NB

PoS is an alternative means of securing the public ledger. In that respect, it's not dissimilar to PoW (more hashing == more coins) except that more coins == more hashing. On the server, I run 3 clients: 1 bog-standard client, generously funded and  two empty bsd4.8 wallets (mainnet & testnet) to feed the Slimcoin ACME. top reports the empty mainnet wallet as 12440 RES, the funded wallet as 608668 RES.

Cheers

Graham
sr. member
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I'm still trying to add us to BTCPOP, I hope casimir, will have his problems with client resolved.
I tried, just to see if there are problems with syncing, and yes process can stuck at some point (random).
Tho I resolved it by adding nodes from main posts (which I collected month ago), and restaring client.
After that it's syncing for 13 hours straight with 2/3 blocks downloaded so far (quite fast I must say, but it was mainly empty blocks).
But it's a promising sign, that network is mature enough to sync from ground 0 without problems.
My run is on Windows, I'll try maybe next time on Linux, but it should be the same (just adding nodes should be main priority, to have successful sync).

Also I have seen that with growing blockchain also client grows in ram, with time (when I first runned in may it was about 415mb usage, now it's 475mb), it's not so huge still, but
maybe worth considering if it's possible to optimize usage of ram, for lower powered devices (arm-like rpi).
legendary
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I've looked at Coinexchange, and in their FAQs this is shown under "Coin Removal Policy":

Quote from: Coinexchange.io
At CoinExchange.io we endeavour to list coins that:

-Have a high community demand.
-Which are innovations in crypto-currency technology.
-That contribution to science, humanity and the environment.

At CoinExchange.io we also believe in letting the free market sort out which coins should thrive and survive, as a result we have a policy of giving a chance to new coins.

We also accept paid listings.

We encourage buyers to do their own research on any new coins that are listed.

I think Slimcoin mets their "requirements" 2 and 3, at least (PoB is in my opinion a contribution to many social science fields like economics, social psychology etc.) - and I think it has also more demand than many of the other coins that are listed there (1).

But there is no "add new coin" link at their website (at least I don't find it) - that may actually a good sign as it could be an indication that their business model does not rely so much on "adding coins fee". It may be worth a try contacting them.
sr. member
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Any thoughts about listing on other exchanges?Cryptopia listing doesn't come cheap, that's for sure  Cheesy, maybe coinexchange?
sr. member
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Set buy on novaexchange with your quantity, which you want to buy, it will be sold to you in a one or two weeks I think.
I'm now syncing from 0 blockchain, to see if it has problems with syncing, I had one time to restart, but then I added nodes that I had written here, and it's going faster and didn't stuck from that time.
After 3 hours I'm at ~265000 block, so it's going quite fast, should be synced totally in 10-12 hours.
I recommend to anyone who has problems with syncing from ground 0, and want to sync it that way (instead of downloading blockchain snapshot), to add nodes from OP (original post), it helps tremendously.
jr. member
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PLEASE, anyone with a large amount of SLM PM me. I want to buy it all. I'll even buy if you have small lots.


Hello

I guess the best option is to support this coin by using the exchange website.

K.
sr. member
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Have you found the Yellow Sign?
PLEASE, anyone with a large amount of SLM PM me. I want to buy it all. I'll even buy if you have small lots.
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You must have your wallet unlocked and running in the background with internet connection, not turned off.



Ok thank you
legendary
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Casimir1904 have problems, with syncing client, he said:

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{
    "version" : "SLMv0.5.0-31-g19f070c-alpha",
    "protocolversion" : 60003,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "newmint" : 0.00000000,
    "stake" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 58389, <- stuck since forever here

Any recommendations to solve it?

Flush datadir, retry. Alternatively, decanting the contents of https://minkiz.co/noodlings/slm/slm-datadir-snapshot.zip into datadir might work.

Cheers

Graham
sr. member
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Casimir1904 have problems, with syncing client, he said:

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{
    "version" : "SLMv0.5.0-31-g19f070c-alpha",
    "protocolversion" : 60003,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "newmint" : 0.00000000,
    "stake" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 58389, <- stuck since forever here

Any recommendations to solve it?
aIA
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The problem emerges if we want to describe Slimcoin's advantages versus other competitors. Here, I think, at least a very basic Proof of Burn description would have to be included. And I think there are advantages (as I wrote here), above all the stability-favouring aspect.
I'm agree with that idea. PoB is the differentiating element of this coin. I understand the internal mechanism (more or less), but for any one that doesn't interest that, could be interesting the fact that it's a way to investiment in middle-long term with low CPU power. Is for that I'm so interested in Raspberry or similar device wiht full working Slimcoin daemon or at least syncing and PoB functionalities.

Cheers.
legendary
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Tens of thousands.
We're adding Slimcoin to BTCpop as soon its synced.

Point taken.

FWIW: The current “best effort” codebase is in the master branch of the slimcoin-project repos and reservebalance=99999999 is your friend, unless you actually intend to devote hashpower to staking.

But you knew that already, I'd guess.

Cheers

Graham
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Radix-The Decentralized Finance Protocol
the high fees exchanges today charge for a listing (thousands of dollars!)

Tens of thousands.

Cheers

Graham


We're adding Slimcoin to BTCpop as soon its synced.
legendary
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Decentralization Maximalist
This is, like you say, a case of group psychology, but based on economic arguments.
That may be a prevailing view but there's no empirical evidence in support of it, so I'm skeptical and treat it as conjecture.
The thing is that in the Bitcoin community the belief is so widespread that everyone who wanted to change the paradigm "Bitcoin's economic value depends on it's supply that is limited to 21 million coins", would have have a hard time. The paradigm may not have an exact proof but the economic theories to which most "Bitcoiners" adhere support it. This is why I consider it almost impossible for that aspect to be changed - not 100% impossible, but 99%+ ...

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I find it hard to replace "cryptocurrency" if we must explain something that complicated like "proof of burn".
That's where my marketing and social psychology background gives me a different view, allowing me to respond - “What, like they have to explain the changes in suspension, steering and engine management parameters that lie behind pressing the ‘Sport’ button that you see on many modern cars?” Who says we must explain proof of burn to people who don't want to know?

Obviously one could market Slimcoin as a simple form of "Internet money", like some try to do with Bitcoin, or as a simple tool for Web2Web publishing. In some cases that would be the way to go, for sure. The problem emerges if we want to describe Slimcoin's advantages versus other competitors. Here, I think, at least a very basic Proof of Burn description would have to be included. And I think there are advantages (as I wrote here), above all the stability-favouring aspect.
legendary
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This is, like you say, a case of group psychology, but based on economic arguments.

That may be a prevailing view but there's no empirical evidence in support of it, so I'm skeptical and treat it as conjecture.

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I find it hard to replace "cryptocurrency" if we must explain something that complicated like "proof of burn".

That's where my marketing and social psychology background gives me a different view, allowing me to respond - “What, like they have to explain the changes in suspension, steering and engine management parameters that lie behind pressing the ‘Sport’ button that you see on many modern cars?” Who says we must explain proof of burn to people who don't want to know?

Cheers

Graham
sr. member
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The orderbook on nova are empty ?

There is a reason

Must have been a temporary error

in fact it was temporary.

I have restarted my wallet.

In February I burn 500 Slimcoin and I did not win any SLM.
Is this a bug in version 4.8.6 ?

I have :

Net Burnt Coins:         500.00 SLM
Effective Burnt Coins:  387.057999 SLM
Immature Burnt Coins: 0.00 SLM
Decayed Burnt Coins:   112.942767 SLM

You must have your wallet unlocked and running in the background with internet connection, not turned off.
legendary
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What Ron doesn't address is the question what economic parameters are collectively perceived as definitional?

I had a discussion about that topic here at BCT some weeks ago (I don't remember the thread title). In my opinion, there are not really "definitional" parameters, but there are a number of parameters that are foreseeable very difficult to change. These are those that strongly affect the "value theory" of Bitcoin (e.g. those limiting the coin supply) _and_ require a hard fork to be changed.

In hard forks there will always be a period with two different chains (if the network is not so small that at every code update 100% of all clients upgrade at the same time). So if you change a parameter that affects the "value theory" like the "21 million coins limit" in Bitcoin, then it's foreseeable that those that not change to the (e.g.) 21.000.001 version will promote their own version as "the original Bitcoin".  They have a strong argument in favour and against a hard fork because Bitcoin's "value" is tied to the supply mechanism, and even if it only increases one satoshi in the hard fork, it's modified and will be considered "broken" by many. So the new chain with 21.000.001 coins perhaps can survive but from many will be considered an "alt coin". This is, like you say, a case of group psychology, but based on economic arguments.

A change of the PoW algorithm would, in my opinion, not affect the "value theory" directly, because we consider the current algorithm "secure enough", and so a change to another "secure enough" algorithm would not influence the value theory. Here it would be much less difficult - although not easy at all - to influence the users to massively update to the hard-forked version if it is advantageous to do so.

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Where next for Slimcoin? I can discern a broad trajectory - the next phase will be a period of consolidation during which the added functionality is polished into something accessible and immediately usable. This involves creating more accessible descriptions of Slimcoin, descriptions which barely mention cryptocurrency at all.

... unless it is the case that collectively the group feels that Slimcoin should remain purely a “store of value” cryptocurrency - and we won't find out until the silent majority has not spoken (if you get my drift).

I agree here, although I find it hard to replace "cryptocurrency" if we must explain something that complicated like "proof of burn". But regarding more "accessible" features (like the "core payment function" or Web2Web pages), it may be easier ...
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