Your observation about varying win rates on the same Pragmatic slot game across different casinos is quite surprising and understandable too. While Return to Player (RTP) remains constant some factors like variability of the Random Number Generator (RNG) some game configuration settings and even statistical variance kinda contribute to difference in outcomes.
The fact is casinos claim to make use of randomisation algorithms just to make sure that the games mimic a real life situation or stimulation rather. However the idea is sometimes the odds may be on your side simply based on the outcome In mathematical probability.
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Yes. I will agree with you on this. I also have some conspiracy theories that some online casinos are manipulating the RTP to a point that it will be too difficult to win in the slot games.
My bigger question on this though is different. Do slot providers let this slide even if it will ruin their game? I mean, there must be a contract on where the RTP should be placed by the slot provider themselves but what if the online casino can also tamper on those? Gamblers will start hating the slot provider and not the online casino.
I have played slots for a long time and used 3 online casinos, one of them is a local gambling application and I have been losing most of the time not feeling any RTP even if I play for a long period of time. It's different when I use the international one, most of the time it's like playing tag with my money going back and forth.
I guess we're both from the same country, so I totally get where you're coming from. I have this same feeling too when I'm playing with our local online casino. I know most trusted slot providers are regulated, so casinos aren’t supposed to mess with the RTP. But like you said, it can feel different on certain sites. I’ve feel or noticed that some casinos feel fairer than others, even if they claim the same RTP. My bigger question on this though is different. Do slot providers let this slide even if it will ruin their game? I mean, there must be a contract on where the RTP should be placed by the slot provider themselves but what if the online casino can also tamper on those? Gamblers will start hating the slot provider and not the online casino.
I have played slots for a long time and used 3 online casinos, one of them is a local gambling application and I have been losing most of the time not feeling any RTP even if I play for a long period of time. It's different when I use the international one, most of the time it's like playing tag with my money going back and forth.
I used to think like this but now I'm starting to think that what I get today is the result of previous losses.
You may "feel" it to be that way, that the casino is manipulating the Random Number Generator against you, but what that truly is is that you're merely being fooled by randomness. Because if a casino is truly manipulating the games, then all casinos or the majority are manipulating the games, which is laughable.
The casinos already have an edge against YOU. It's not necessary for them to manipulate anything.
I’m aware that RTP of slot games in every casino is just the same. Some casino has some higher RTP set but the difference is almost negligible to be notice.
I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.
This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.
I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?
I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.
This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.
I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?
I think it's just a coincidence that works to the casino's advantage. It reminds me of a story about a guy who loved slots, and he especially liked a particular game in fantasy slots. He liked the interface of this game, and he often won on these slots.
And because of these two coincidences, this guy became too attached to this type of slots, which is why he began to play them constantly, and became a problem gambler. And it's all initially the fault of coincidence, well, and the interface of the slots.
Talking about RTP I think I will say something based on my experience and research that I have done, in the type of slot game especially on the Pragmatic Play channel for example, there are indeed quite a lot of games that have a high RTP level but believe me that not all casinos provide an RTP percentage that matches the course of the game, or simply put high RTP does not mean that the game will run well, sometimes there are always casinos that manipulate it to trap gamblers into gambling more aggressively.
On the other hand, from what you experienced, I think you are not far from lucky when trying the second choice casino, as you experienced that at other casinos you always lose but when you return to the casino that you often use to play you manage to win, but I think you need to try playing at the second casino again, if it turns out that the results really keep winning then it seems like there is something special
On the other hand, from what you experienced, I think you are not far from lucky when trying the second choice casino, as you experienced that at other casinos you always lose but when you return to the casino that you often use to play you manage to win, but I think you need to try playing at the second casino again, if it turns out that the results really keep winning then it seems like there is something special
I’m aware that RTP of slot games in every casino is just the same. Some casino has some higher RTP set but the difference is almost negligible to be notice.
I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.
This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.
I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?
There are two different people in gambling if it involves RTP, of course there are those who believe this is a benchmark for easy victory and there are also those who do not believe in this, actually it is the right of each because the one who gambles is ourselves and uses our own money so it's up to us how we respond to it, it's just that what must be watched out for is not to let addiction become a big part of ourselves like thinking that we can get victory for sure whether it involves RTP or not.I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.
This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.
I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?
I myself don't believe in this because I play according to my heart's desire, for example I want to play one game and the game has a low RTP value but because my heart wants it I will still do it in that game. Besides that, I have never found or experienced betting on a game that has a large RTP that makes me win big.
First, I don't agree with the so-called RTP, I only believe it existed in writing but not in practice. Also, your argument may be valid, but not always, the reason is that luck plays a key role in gambling. You might be gambling with a casino for long and not win anything reasonable, while a newbie who knows nothing about gambling may start playing right after you and persistently winning, that's how gambling outcomes could be funny. Although rigging can't be eliminated here too, the casino you were initially playing with might have a tough difficulty for you, and since it's their algorithm you played against, you can do little or nothing.
Gamble for long and not win is really normal, that's what RTP is, it doesn't make you earn. Actually when the gambler make money from the casino, it's an anomaly.We can know the RTP if we gamble for the same amount for million times, like if the game has 95% RTP, it means if we have $1,000,000 and we only gamble for $1 per bet, the end balance should be around $950,000.
But, does a gambler that has $1 Million bankroll want to bet $1 over and over? I doubt it.
I’m aware that RTP of slot games in every casino is just the same. Some casino has some higher RTP set but the difference is almost negligible to be notice.
I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.
This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.
I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?
First, I don't agree with the so-called RTP, I only believe it existed in writing but not in practice. Also, your argument may be valid, but not always, the reason is that luck plays a key role in gambling. You might be gambling with a casino for long and not win anything reasonable, while a newbie who knows nothing about gambling may start playing right after you and persistently winning, that's how gambling outcomes could be funny. Although rigging can't be eliminated here too, the casino you were initially playing with might have a tough difficulty for you, and since it's their algorithm you played against, you can do little or nothing. I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.
This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.
I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?
I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?
Saying RTP at a casino is no longer a strange thing, many casinos do provide RTP as a benchmark for the level of victory that can be obtained by players and some players also believe that they can win by betting on games that have high RTP. I myself do not believe in it, because I have proven it by comparing games that have high and low RTP where I experienced defeat in games that have high RTP and won in games with low RTP.Unlike my friend who believes in this RTP and really plays depending on the available RTP value, for example he will place a bet and he sees a game he likes has a low RTP value then what he does is wait for the RTP value to increase, actually it doesn't matter because it's each person's right but during his gambling I have never seen my friend get a big win, while I myself have won a big win.
Therefore I believe more that gambling is based on luck alone, not by looking at the high RTP.
I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?
Even though with low RTP it can still give win if we have luck, this is casino game and of course you own luck will affect the outcome.
TBH, this was gambling fallacy.
Some of us have a thinking or speculation:
1. New account can boost or give you a big win before straight lose
2. Moving casino can boost your luck
3. RTP are shit or feeling being control.
In the end, no matter the discussion these can't be proven. The things you need to do just believe and trust to casino & provider for the RTP. The decision is always on your side, If yo not believe any programmer game just go to live-games.
We all know, (Slot) are being design by corporate to their market target was (CASINO). The favour must be in casino side, for long term.
Some of us have a thinking or speculation:
1. New account can boost or give you a big win before straight lose
2. Moving casino can boost your luck
3. RTP are shit or feeling being control.
In the end, no matter the discussion these can't be proven. The things you need to do just believe and trust to casino & provider for the RTP. The decision is always on your side, If yo not believe any programmer game just go to live-games.
We all know, (Slot) are being design by corporate to their market target was (CASINO). The favour must be in casino side, for long term.
Yes. I will agree with you on this. I also have some conspiracy theories that some online casinos are manipulating the RTP to a point that it will be too difficult to win in the slot games.
My bigger question on this though is different. Do slot providers let this slide even if it will ruin their game? I mean, there must be a contract on where the RTP should be placed by the slot provider themselves but what if the online casino can also tamper on those? Gamblers will start hating the slot provider and not the online casino.
I have played slots for a long time and used 3 online casinos, one of them is a local gambling application and I have been losing most of the time not feeling any RTP even if I play for a long period of time. It's different when I use the international one, most of the time it's like playing tag with my money going back and forth.
But how would they manipulate them? Only thing they can do is select few different RTPs from the game provider’s RTP presets, and that would immediately show in the slot, because those providers are required by law to show it.My bigger question on this though is different. Do slot providers let this slide even if it will ruin their game? I mean, there must be a contract on where the RTP should be placed by the slot provider themselves but what if the online casino can also tamper on those? Gamblers will start hating the slot provider and not the online casino.
I have played slots for a long time and used 3 online casinos, one of them is a local gambling application and I have been losing most of the time not feeling any RTP even if I play for a long period of time. It's different when I use the international one, most of the time it's like playing tag with my money going back and forth.
Casinos have no hand in rigging the slots because casinos don't own the slots. When you are playing online slots, you might be accessing them via casino, but in reality you are connected to the servers of the provider of those slots (like pragmatic play).
Honestly I don't see anything strange from your experience, the point is I think it's quite simple to say that in the first casino you were far from lucky and in the second casino luck came at the right time so you managed to get some big wins, and if you are still curious then I think it's quite easy for you to go back to gambling in the second casino that previously gave you some wins, do it as a form of trial at least 3x and if it turns out that all those trials win that means there is a possibility that your casino account is quite special, but I'm not too sure that you will always be able to win at that casino. On the other hand you say that it's quite easy to make wins at your favorite casino, and if that's true then I think you should be quite rich now buddy. 
I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?
You just got lucky , IMO. We all know that the result in slots is affected by RNG. It is possible that you got lucky and you got a script that give you 5k to 9k multiplier. I do not think that a reputable casino will lower their RTP percentage, besides, I think RTP is about paying back to the player over time and it has nothing to do about getting a huge win as soon as you changes a casino platform.But when you just create an account at casino Y and try to bet a few times, of course you will continue to lose because you don't have a betting volume and more losses.
Not every time because there are new players that experience a huge win when they create an account to a new casino platform. I think new account getting a huge win is all in luck, which many calls it a beginners luck
It could just be luck as others mentioned. Pretty much why we could have different experiences in certain casinos and particular slot games in terms of wins/losses.
In terms of RTPs, it's hard to gauge IMO as it is based on long term runs like hundreds of thousands spins or mills. Unless you have more or less hit around such threshold on both accounts perhaps we could look into it more.
In terms of RTPs, it's hard to gauge IMO as it is based on long term runs like hundreds of thousands spins or mills. Unless you have more or less hit around such threshold on both accounts perhaps we could look into it more.
I used to think like this but now I'm starting to think that what I get today is the result of previous losses.
This theory is actually a little unreasonable but I have felt it when you often bet on site X and have a high betting volume and often lose, a few days later you will get a big win.
But when you just create an account at casino Y and try to bet a few times, of course you will continue to lose because you don't have a betting volume and more losses.
But this assumption is actually unreasonable but whatever I say is what I have done. So I will really say that it actually depends on luck.
This theory is actually a little unreasonable but I have felt it when you often bet on site X and have a high betting volume and often lose, a few days later you will get a big win.
But when you just create an account at casino Y and try to bet a few times, of course you will continue to lose because you don't have a betting volume and more losses.
But this assumption is actually unreasonable but whatever I say is what I have done. So I will really say that it actually depends on luck.
I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.
That is gambling. It is about luck and you were lucky in the second casino while not lucky in the first casino. It can happen to anyone. But if you continue to gamble in any casino, you will finally realized that the casino will be winning more. Casinos are designed to win money from gamblers.Although i didn't have to panicked so much because i know is luck and chance based game, maybe i was not lucky in the first site and got lucky in the second site.
Even in each type of game in one provider, the RTP is also different. Back to the final result of gambling, even though the RTP is high, it is not certain that the chance of winning can be as desired.
My experience playing slots can be said that I am not as interested as I am in sports betting.
Forcing every opportunity to play slots will not be good. There are times when we have to stop for a moment rather than choosing to force (self-control).
My experience playing slots can be said that I am not as interested as I am in sports betting.
Forcing every opportunity to play slots will not be good. There are times when we have to stop for a moment rather than choosing to force (self-control).
I’m aware that RTP of slot games in every casino is just the same. Some casino has some higher RTP set but the difference is almost negligible to be notice.
Where did you get this information? We can't know what goes on "behind the scenes" in a casino, right?I created this thread because I have some curious speculation about slot RTP from different casino. I’ve been playing a lot of Pragmatic slot games on a specific casino but never hit anything big but when I changed the casino I’m playing but still same game I manage to hit multiple huge win ranging from x5000 to x9000 almost consecutively.
So the essence of RTP is that (RTP<95%), the longer you play, the less chances you have to win. Therefore, the chances of winning in the "old" casino are less than in the "new" one at the first stages. After some time, winnings in the "new" casino will become as rare as in the "old". Therefore, you should periodically "update" the list of your casinos.This is just my feeling but sometimes it’s very hard to win on some casino while it’s easy to win on different casino playing same game.
Isn't this a reason to doubt the normal (at a different) level of RTP in different casinos?I don’t know what’s the real reason but do you experience this too?
Every gambler has to deal with this. 
Maybe it depends on the casino itself. It might be that they have variations on the games knowing that the RTP might be changed depending on the statistics that the players do on the casino games. Maybe the game who have a lot of winners games were adjusted so that it would be different. It could also depend on the volatility, we all know gambling is really a random volatile thing like BTC lol.
I just believe that it's random and some casinos might have taken advantage of as well.
I just believe that it's random and some casinos might have taken advantage of as well.
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