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legendary
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Assuming that the three hour called took place this morning as Josh stated on my thread, I'm really taken aback at all the posting he was able to do doing that time frame (this morning) according to his post logs on this forum. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1221072



~Bruno~


Can you link to where Josh said that enmaku's 3 hour Skype call with Sonny took place today?  The interview based on that Skype call was published two days ago - apparently enmaku has developed the ability to time travel into the future.

I, too, would like to see where I said that.  Maybe I time traveled, too... but backwards and made a post I don't yet know about.  Well, I guess with great stupidity comes great irresponsibility.  Meh.

legendary
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That's a corporate registration. They are rarely in the same state where the actual business resides, and are typically set up in states with best tax laws and lowest annual fees.
As for the business, check the address. On good street view, you can actually see their names on the side of the building where they do their thing.
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BFL in its entirety is being dragged through the mud because of the checkered past of one employee.

The hiding of the fraud conviction of a primary company officer is just the next item in a long list of questionable activities.

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We've all seen the mug shot of Bill Gates, yet no one feared that he was going to tank Microsoft and run away with the cash - not because we trust old Billy that much, but because he's operating within a system that was explicitly designed to prevent him from doing so. BFL operates within exactly the same sort of system.

No comparison. Microsoft is a public company, and as such is under far stricter rules than a private company. For example, the entire list of Microsoft board of directors is:

Steve  Ballmer
Dina  Dublon
Bill  Gates
Raymond V.  Gilmartin
Reed  Hastings
Maria M.  Klawe
Stephen J.  Luczo
David F.  Marquardt
Charles H.  Noski
Dr. Helmut  Panke
John W.  Thompson

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a big structured organization of 22 people with a board of directors

And what are the names of the individuals on the board?


While being publicly traded certainly does add new stringent criteria on how you run the show, I was more speaking to anyone's ability to take the money and run. Incorporation still requires such measures in most states and whether it was required of them or not, they have indeed taken those measures.

I don't know the names of the board but I'm sure some BFL employee out there does and would have no problem giving up that list. It's not really my question to answer.

Can you point me to their business registration? What's their actual working offices address? Depending on how the business was formed there could actually be extremely loose governance. I'm just pointing out that more information is needed to have an idea of the business' actual organization. It may not be your question to answer but it is an important question to have answered. Other than the rendering you have posted here what is contained in your linked write up that you consider "fair and unbiased reporting"? Is it just the summary as a whole that you feel is reporting?

Edit: It seems the accusation post that this was a response to has some core information: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/re-butterfly-labs-ceo-25-million-usd-mail-fraud-a-concise-summary-of-evidence-110805
Such as business registration: https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?eFNum=149144214231010201167112190255028042109060235081
I was under the impression their working office was in Kansas City, MO. Did they move?
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Our call was on Saturday, Sept 22, 2012 5:26PM Pacific and lasted 2 hours 19 minutes.

Satisfied?

Probably not. Let the conspiracy theories continue.

You being a time-traveller would have been much more interesting. 
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Our call was on Saturday, Sept 22, 2012 5:26PM Pacific and lasted 2 hours 19 minutes.

Satisfied?

Probably not. Let the conspiracy theories continue.
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Assuming that the three hour called took place this morning as Josh stated on my thread, I'm really taken aback at all the posting he was able to do doing that time frame (this morning) according to his post logs on this forum. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1221072



~Bruno~


Can you link to where Josh said that enmaku's 3 hour Skype call with Sonny took place today?  The interview based on that Skype call was published two days ago - apparently enmaku has developed the ability to time travel into the future.
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I'm pretty sure it was this morning, for look at the following:

Just to prove I'm not making this up (I suppose I could have edited the text, but I certify it's 100% authentic!):

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[8:46:29 AM] Josh: Haha I think some poor dude is about to get shithammered because his first name is Josh and his company is called Bitforce Consulting.
[8:46:58 AM] Josh: I feel sorry for what is about to befall him.
[8:47:03 AM] Sonny: oh jesus
[8:47:39 AM] Josh: He's in Layfette colorado, which is a small town... he's goign to be like WTF just happened?  Please, make the bad men stop!
[8:47:48 AM] Josh: If I post to correct people, they'll just assume I'm trying to cover stuff up.
[8:48:47 AM] Sonny: link?
[8:50:09 AM] Josh: To Bitforce Consulting?  Phinnius is threatening to post damning evidence of my connection to Bitforce prior to last year.  So I Googled up Josh and Bitforce.
[8:53:59 AM] Sonny: to the thread
[8:54:18 AM] Sonny: ******* REDACTED (mostly unrelated) ******
[8:54:38 AM] Josh: I KNOW! RIGHT?  I'm going to the Plaza to hold a sign up "The end is near!"

Therefore, since it's 100% authentic, the time stamp/zone is CST since Josh is in the KC, MO, and would have no reason to have it set for any other timezone.

~Bruno~


I'm failing to see what that timestamped conversation has to do with me? Am I some dude in Layfette CO who's making a company called Bitforce Consulting? WTF does this even have to do with my interview? You've got so many conspiracy theories you can't even remember who is involved in which ones...
legendary
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I've been accused of actually being Sonny Vleisides, which makes that 3 hour Skype call I had with him seem like the most awkward descent into madness ever.

Assuming that the three hour called took place this morning as Josh stated on my thread, I'm really taken aback at all the posting he was able to do doing that time frame (this morning) according to his post logs on this forum. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1221072

Actually I believe it was an afternoon or evening interview. I'm at work right now but when I get home I can check Skype and probably get you an actual timestamp - not that it'll do much good to silence the conspiracy theorists.

I'm pretty sure it was this morning, for look at the following:

Just to prove I'm not making this up (I suppose I could have edited the text, but I certify it's 100% authentic!):

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[8:46:29 AM] Josh: Haha I think some poor dude is about to get shithammered because his first name is Josh and his company is called Bitforce Consulting.
[8:46:58 AM] Josh: I feel sorry for what is about to befall him.
[8:47:03 AM] Sonny: oh jesus
[8:47:39 AM] Josh: He's in Layfette colorado, which is a small town... he's goign to be like WTF just happened?  Please, make the bad men stop!
[8:47:48 AM] Josh: If I post to correct people, they'll just assume I'm trying to cover stuff up.
[8:48:47 AM] Sonny: link?
[8:50:09 AM] Josh: To Bitforce Consulting?  Phinnius is threatening to post damning evidence of my connection to Bitforce prior to last year.  So I Googled up Josh and Bitforce.
[8:53:59 AM] Sonny: to the thread
[8:54:18 AM] Sonny: ******* REDACTED (mostly unrelated) ******
[8:54:38 AM] Josh: I KNOW! RIGHT?  I'm going to the Plaza to hold a sign up "The end is near!"

Therefore, since it's 100% authentic, the time stamp/zone is CST since Josh is in the KC, MO, and would have no reason to have it set for any other timezone.

~Bruno~
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I've been accused of actually being Sonny Vleisides, which makes that 3 hour Skype call I had with him seem like the most awkward descent into madness ever.

Assuming that the three hour called took place this morning as Josh stated on my thread, I'm really taken aback at all the posting he was able to do doing that time frame (this morning) according to his post logs on this forum. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1221072

Actually I believe it was an afternoon or evening interview. I'm at work right now but when I get home I can check Skype and probably get you an actual timestamp - not that it'll do much good to silence the conspiracy theorists.
legendary
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I've been accused of actually being Sonny Vleisides, which makes that 3 hour Skype call I had with him seem like the most awkward descent into madness ever.

Assuming that the three hour called took place this morning as Josh stated on my thread, I'm really taken aback at all the posting he was able to do doing that time frame (this morning) according to his post logs on this forum. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1221072

Also, why does the surrounding area of the other two pics need to be grayed out? Surely snapping a pic of the board(s) sitting on a table--any table--is a hell of lot easier. I understand the graying out of the info on the components, but come on.

~Bruno~
legendary
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Good. Hugely more informative than your first BFL post. Any actual electrical engineers available for comment?  Smiley
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Notably, the rendering of the board has some chips hanging off the board. While theoretically it's possible to have at least the uppermost one hang off, it is still bad board design.

Rebuttal?

I like the part where they have bore holes in the back view (light green upper middle) that are not in the front view.
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That's great news! Should have ordered some SC singles, LOL.
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Where's the interview? All I see is the journal of a giddy schoolgirl.

I lol'd

I love how he cannot share any details with us.....but trust him.....everything is good. 

I am not crying scammer, it's just that this "interview" provides approximately zero new information. 

How's this for new information? http://codinginmysleep.com/first-look-at-bfls-asic-hardware/

Sonny felt bad about the crap I've been taking so I got the go-ahead to post a little something Grin

Actually, this is a lot better.
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It's a drawing,
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Notably, the rendering of the board has some chips hanging off the board. While theoretically it's possible to have at least the uppermost one hang off, it is still bad board design.

Rebuttal?
hero member
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Where's the interview? All I see is the journal of a giddy schoolgirl.

I lol'd

I love how he cannot share any details with us.....but trust him.....everything is good. 

I am not crying scammer, it's just that this "interview" provides approximately zero new information. 

How's this for new information? http://codinginmysleep.com/first-look-at-bfls-asic-hardware/

Sonny felt bad about the crap I've been taking so I got the go-ahead to post a little something Grin
legendary
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Where's the interview? All I see is the journal of a giddy schoolgirl.

I lol'd

I love how he cannot share any details with us.....but trust him.....everything is good. 

I am not crying scammer, it's just that this "interview" provides approximately zero new information. 
hero member
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Where's the interview? All I see is the journal of a giddy schoolgirl.
hero member
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BFL in its entirety is being dragged through the mud because of the checkered past of one employee.

The hiding of the fraud conviction of a primary company officer is just the next item in a long list of questionable activities.

Quote
We've all seen the mug shot of Bill Gates, yet no one feared that he was going to tank Microsoft and run away with the cash - not because we trust old Billy that much, but because he's operating within a system that was explicitly designed to prevent him from doing so. BFL operates within exactly the same sort of system.

No comparison. Microsoft is a public company, and as such is under far stricter rules than a private company. For example, the entire list of Microsoft board of directors is:

Steve  Ballmer
Dina  Dublon
Bill  Gates
Raymond V.  Gilmartin
Reed  Hastings
Maria M.  Klawe
Stephen J.  Luczo
David F.  Marquardt
Charles H.  Noski
Dr. Helmut  Panke
John W.  Thompson

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a big structured organization of 22 people with a board of directors

And what are the names of the individuals on the board?


While being publicly traded certainly does add new stringent criteria on how you run the show, I was more speaking to anyone's ability to take the money and run. Incorporation still requires such measures in most states and whether it was required of them or not, they have indeed taken those measures.

I don't know the names of the board but I'm sure some BFL employee out there does and would have no problem giving up that list. It's not really my question to answer.
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