Topic: So Tell Me Again How Selling Accounts Prevents Scams (Read 2394 times)

Let me see if I follow:
This forum creates a sub for ponzi schemes, allows them to buy trusted senior accounts and promote themselves via banner ads (i.e. provides them with all the tools they need to operate), and then, if these illegal ponzis turn out to be ...illegal ponzis, ~catch breath~ AND if the operators return to do it again, the evidence will be right here, to be used to catch the criminals leave them a negative rating?
Tell me, how many times was the evidence this public ledger of shame ever useful in reuniting victims with their coins?

Bitcointalk must be the craziest, longest-running honeypot/entrapment scheme on record, no?


Right. now go to auctions and digital goods subs, and nuke users selling accounts.
Get back to me when done

I hereby ban account sales here and on all other forums. Now go forth and do evil no more.

That should do it, right?

They do not, and neither does this site. Allowing those things to be posted here and kept here is part of preventing scams. It is preserving the evidence. If all scams were moderated and then deleted, then those users posting them could potentially could scam later because there is no evidence (thread with all of the evidence would have been deleted) remaining linking them to the scam. At that point, it would all just be the accusers' word against the scammer's. By keeping threads about those sites here, the evidence is kept, the OP is negged, and the evidence can be used in the future to link other accounts to the same scammer and prevent future scams.

AFAIK phishing sites and sites that have malware are removed.

What is wrong with selling used stuff? By no means are accounts being marketed as new, that is completely impossible. Since when has selling used goods been a bad thing?

The forum does not promote ponzis. In fact most ponzi operators are immediately negged, but as I said before, their threads are being kept as those threads can provide evidence. If you find a thread about a ponzi and you can't see the big red "Warning: trade with caution" under the poster's name and you are scammed and lose money, that is entirely your fault. The only reason the investor based games subforum exists is to keep all of those ponzis in the same location and so that all of them can get the same universal warning that those sites are gambling and/or scams.

It really, really doesn't prevent scams. In fact, it promotes scanned. Scammers purchase a clean rep account and then scam with it more than they paid for it.

>I don't care about account sales, I care about promoting free trade
Could you explain to me why no other organization promoting free trade is, simultaneously, pimping scam/phishing websites, selling used rubbers, and promoting ponzis?

> and open discussion as much as possible.
Please explain how:
-Accounts being bought & sold promotes free speech.
-Sig campaign spam?
-Gambling/ponzi scheme subfora?

I don't want you to "disallow" things because I personally find them detestable, I hate them, or disapprove of them.

It's a general ideological commonsensical position, this isn't going to change.

There are several other forums where people can go if that's what they want.

Hi badbear can I ask you something please?

I know this is off topic so just message me when you see this, then I'll delete it.

But in topic with advice to OP: I think selling accounts is odd, but fine. It probably won't stop scams. It'll probably make it worse, but there's not much we can do. Newbie or legendary, that doesn't automatically make a user trusted or untrusted.

I don't care about account sales, I care about promoting free trade and open discussion as much as possible. I don't "allow" things because I personally find them desirable, I like them, or approve of them.

It's a general ideological position, this isn't going to change.

There are several other forums where people can go if that's what they want.

>If there is a system, there will always be a flaw. If account sales are banned, people will just find new ways of buying them and then all trust ratings will be considered valid which will in turn cause more scam.

Not sure if joking or can't read:

There is a reason why my bank doesn't have a roulette wheel/gun shop/guy selling used condoms/hookers sucking D in the lobby.
Guess why that is.

ELI5:
- Stop hawking shit on an internet discussion forum, and you wouldn't need any kind of trust system, flawed or not.
-Stop promoting ponzi schemes (illegal pretty much everywhere, and certainly in US, where thermos hails from), or have no foot to stand on when mainstream press paints bitcoin as the currency of scammers and idiots.

>Over and out
Have a nice one, QS

You can't clean out all the scams, DT has done their best part in it and has saved quite a lot of possible scams.
How exactly is my post irrelevant? If there is a system, there will always be a flaw. If account sales are banned, people will just find new ways of buying them and then all trust ratings will be considered valid which will in turn cause more scam.

Never said that.. anyway who am I kidding with, I'm just trolling a bigger troll.
Close enough /sarcasm , isn't someone allowed to use the potential activity they had previously built?
Thanks. Over and out

>Gambling happens to be a big part of Bitcoin
So is scamming and halfass criminality. From this we should conclude that bitcointalk should promote shit crime and cater to thieves and scammers? Or?

The rest of your post is simply irrelevant -- "inventing" a trust system would not be necessary if this place wasn't a scamfest. Let me repeat:

P.S. re. "Trust system, which cannot be abused by any random newbie with lots of alts": But abusing it with bought alts is just fine.
You bought this account what, Sept. of this year?
Cancer, you are

Satoshi left before any service was started being promoted, so its not because of the "spam". Admins are good, the forum is supposed to represent all the areas of Bitcoin, which can be seen in Boards and sub-boards, and its just that Gambling happens to be a big part of Bitcoin, believe it or not.
Scams are discouraged due to the "invention" of Trust system, which cannot be abused by any random newbie with lots of alts. And as I said before, Caveat Emptor, look out for yourselves and don't blame the admins for anything that happens.

Satoshi left this place a long time ago, thanks, partially, to you & your ilk.
He has not "chosen the admins carefully," no more than Lenin has carefully chosen Stalin. If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it.

He also did not create this forum in hopes of, someday, getting awesome Alexa ratings by attracting all of the internet's petty thieving lowlifes, thus supporting the mainstream conception of Bitcoin as the currency of greedy but otherwise laughably inept criminals and degenerate gamblers.
You'll have to just take my word on that one

Yeah right...
I believe "Satoshi" would've been here a long ago if he actually wanted to put a stop to this. He's not, and he's chosen the admins carefully who think in best interest of the forum. Just wonder how popular bitcointalk would be without all the drama, signatures etc and only "Technical discussion" . The ones who don't wear signature(except a select few), come and answer questions in weeks.
Edit: Thanks.

Dead wrong, Friend. It is a forum started to advance Bitcoin.

Satoshi didn't start this place for you to scratch out pennies by whoring out your signature, and then lose those pennies to other, slightly smarter scumbags in the gambling section.
Fuck you

Shut your crap already, this is a private forum not something to "advance Bitcoin" if you don't like it, go to the those other forum where you're spammed with ref links ponzis and what not , at least here they are moderated quite good.
Buying account increases forum traffic, because of signature campaigns, which inturn benefit signature campaign owners, participants and the sites. Some scams along the way, well just Caveat emptor, if you know accounts are being bought you'll get more suspicious and which will prevent you from other scammers as well.

The thing you should understand about hypotheticals is they're not a substitute for the equal sign. When I present you with the hypothetical "why make murder illegal," I do not mean to suggest that !(proscribing account sales) = !(proscribing murder). There are, indeed, differences.

The text you have quoted was a response to TL;DR: "account sales are a necessary evil, better than they happen here than elsewhere."
If you feel that account sales are desirable, like gun sales in your example, feel free to explain why.

That said, a forum created to advance Bitcoin is not necessarily the best place to sell guns.
Or to double as an online scam bazaar.
Or as a casino.
Or a place where usurers prey on degenerate gamblers.
Or as an MLM ponzi promotion vehicle.
Or a banner ad platform.

If you & thermos didn't, in all your wisdom, endow it with all these trappings of petty scumbaggery, account sales would not be an issue.
See how a problem could be solved by thinking outside the box?

Tell me about it i have had a million threats of different types here.. hunted & Trolled for Life !

I've always found this to be a flawed argument, and not sure why you stick to it. One, murder, is the crime. The other, account selling, is a tool that can be used to commit a crime. A more apt analogy would be to compare account sales to gun or knife sales, tools that can be used to commit the crime.

It also makes the posts much more amusing to read when you picture a soccer mom screaming about how guns are evil and should be banned, though I suppose that depends on your stance about that. 

You too, buddy! Be well

Anyway, you are an idiot, and are incapable of having a mature conversation. Welcome to my ignore list.

Hopefully this account will get banned for trolling, and caught in the mess will be your main account that will also get banned by virtue of when one account is banned, they all are.