Topic: So when are we going to look into really finding Pirate? - page 2. (Read 4342 times)
IMHO, either Pirate is Mr. Shavers or nobody is ever going to find him.
We just need a few locals to exercise their right to free speech and picket his house, while also exercising their Texas right to open carry.
Texas doesn't have an open carry law.I'm not sure what the texas rules are, but if they're is no law, then it's ok to do. Michigan doesn't have an open-carry law, so I'm free to open carry here.
We don't have a green shirt law either, so, I'm free to wear a green shirt any time I please.
I expect that if he does not pay or start to pay those of us that lost the most (and everyone else) within a few months we will get together, pool our resourses and go after him.
I say hell with the 'few months'. If a shovel ready initiative is floated, I'm likely to jump on board.
At this point, I might be molliified by an actual open audit by a capable trustworthy party into his operation. As I posted elsewhere, I am still open to the possibility that BST was at least initially a good-faith business attempt. I can live with a failed biz. But all anyone has heard from him since is a lot of self-serving passive-aggressive bullshit -- at least heard publicly. A person in his claimed position (i.e. failed biz) should be bending over backwards to provide his creditors with information.
But if this was a scam from the outset, I would expect that any initiative in which I was involved would prosecute him to the extent that any other felon who stole x USD worth of private property would.
I expect that if he does not pay or start to pay those of us that lost the most (and everyone else) within a few months we will get together, pool our resourses and go after him.
The longer you wait, the smaller chance you have of getting the money back.
I expect that if he does not pay or start to pay those of us that lost the most (and everyone else) within a few months we will get together, pool our resourses and go after him.
Was there a contract you agreed to when investing with Pirate? If so can you post the text of the contract and/or indicate if were there any default remedy/recourse clauses in the contract? Was there a risk disclosure?
I don't care if it's private or what I just think someone needs to start busting some balls.
I think that is why private was in bold.
What you are asking is that a group of crypto-anarchists should get together and seek legal redress from a central authority. Do you not understand how silly that request sounds and how it goes entirely against the fiber of this community?
I'm not a "crypto-anarchist" (whatever that means), I'm a social democrat, and I would have no issue going to a central authority to get my money back (if I had gotten any money taken in one of these schemes, that is).
Not everyone here subscribes to your political affiliation.
What you are asking is that a group of crypto-anarchists should get together and seek legal redress from a central authority.
Who is making the claim that one must be a 'crypto-anarchist' (whatever the hell that means) in order to use bitcoin? If bitcoin is useless to all who are not crypto-anarchists [sic], we have a very long slog going forward.And while anarchy may end up being a just principle for societal organization, it will not so be until some mechanism arises by which justice can be dispensed.
There may be a rational argument that joint vigilantism may be as just as what our current society provides. However engaging in such in today's environment exposes the 'vigilantes' (need a better term here) to being thrown in a cage.
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Do you not understand how silly that request sounds and how it goes entirely against the fiber of this community?
No. Not at all.
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So far the only consensus reached on punishment for Pirate has been to assign him a "Scammer" tag. If you believe additional punishment is needed from the community, then by all means outline what you intend. I am not interested in hearing about attempts at punishment than involve state actors. In my opinion it should be entirely community/consensus driven and peer-to-peer, just like Bitcoin itself.
I don't particularly care what _your_ interest may be. Do you not recognize the irony in an anarchist trying to coordinate a top-down enforcement of a single type of response to what pirate has done?
Bottom line, each injured party is free to pursue (or not) whatever remedy they so desire. For my part, I would like to share resources (time talent and treasure) with other such injured parties to bring pirate to justice. If after all we learn, the state is the most expeditious route to recovering some of my property, so be it.
I don't care if it's private or what I just think someone needs to start busting some balls.
In my opinion it should be entirely community/consensus driven and peer-to-peer, just like Bitcoin itself.
I agree. Victims of this crime should hire a private collection agency.
We just need a few locals to exercise their right to free speech and picket his house, while also exercising their Texas right to open carry.
Texas doesn't have an open carry law.
We just need a few locals to exercise their right to free speech and picket his house, while also exercising their Texas right to open carry.
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Point taken and thanks for the advice. I will continue to seek out those interested in community/peer-to-peer driven solutions to this problem and either ignore or argue against those who wish to resort to state backed coercive tactics.
Point taken and thanks for the advice. I will continue to seek out those interested in community/peer-to-peer driven solutions to this problem and either ignore or argue against those who wish to resort to state backed coercive tactics.
Nice, we could use more sane anarchists here. Welcome to the forums
. What do you mean by "finding pirate". His real life identity was known long before he defaulted as were the identities of some of his real life business associates and his family. We even know when he's next due in court in relation to other matters.
What is needed now is for people who've lost funds to actually go ahead and file complaints with the various agencies responsible for investigating investment fraud, cyber-crime, etc. The more people who do that, the better. As such frauds go, this is not a big one, so a large volume of formal complaints is highly desirable.
What is needed now is for people who've lost funds to actually go ahead and file complaints with the various agencies responsible for investigating investment fraud, cyber-crime, etc. The more people who do that, the better. As such frauds go, this is not a big one, so a large volume of formal complaints is highly desirable.
That's what I'm really wondering... First, if his identity isn't know, can we not at least get a log from the forum admin with all the IP addresses he logged in with and go from there? Second, if his identity is known, can we not get a complaint form together for BTCST customers to fill out so that a formal complaint or class action lawsuit may be filed?
"formal complaint or class action lawsuit"
What you are asking is that a group of crypto-anarchists should get together and seek legal redress from a central authority. Do you not understand how silly that request sounds and how it goes entirely against the fiber of this community?
So far the only consensus reached on punishment for Pirate has been to assign him a "Scammer" tag. If you believe additional punishment is needed from the community, then by all means outline what you intend. I am not interested in hearing about attempts at punishment than involve state actors. In my opinion it should be entirely community/consensus driven and peer-to-peer, just like Bitcoin itself.
If you don't like it, feel free to not participate. As an anarchist you should appreciate that others have the freedom to seek other forms of action if they feel it necessary, and they should also be able to discuss without you talking down on them or saying you aren't interested in hearing about it. If you don't want to hear about it, then close the thread and go start your own.
+1
Point taken and thanks for the advice. I will continue to seek out those interested in community/peer-to-peer driven solutions to this problem and either ignore or argue against those who wish to resort to state backed coercive tactics.
What do you mean by "finding pirate". His real life identity was known long before he defaulted as were the identities of some of his real life business associates and his family. We even know when he's next due in court in relation to other matters.
What is needed now is for people who've lost funds to actually go ahead and file complaints with the various agencies responsible for investigating investment fraud, cyber-crime, etc. The more people who do that, the better. As such frauds go, this is not a big one, so a large volume of formal complaints is highly desirable.
What is needed now is for people who've lost funds to actually go ahead and file complaints with the various agencies responsible for investigating investment fraud, cyber-crime, etc. The more people who do that, the better. As such frauds go, this is not a big one, so a large volume of formal complaints is highly desirable.
That's what I'm really wondering... First, if his identity isn't know, can we not at least get a log from the forum admin with all the IP addresses he logged in with and go from there? Second, if his identity is known, can we not get a complaint form together for BTCST customers to fill out so that a formal complaint or class action lawsuit may be filed?
"formal complaint or class action lawsuit"
What you are asking is that a group of crypto-anarchists should get together and seek legal redress from a central authority. Do you not understand how silly that request sounds and how it goes entirely against the fiber of this community?
So far the only consensus reached on punishment for Pirate has been to assign him a "Scammer" tag. If you believe additional punishment is needed from the community, then by all means outline what you intend. I am not interested in hearing about attempts at punishment than involve state actors. In my opinion it should be entirely community/consensus driven and peer-to-peer, just like Bitcoin itself.
If you don't like it, feel free to not participate. As an anarchist you should appreciate that others have the freedom to seek other forms of action if they feel it necessary, and they should also be able to discuss without you talking down on them or saying you aren't interested in hearing about it. If you don't want to hear about it, then close the thread and go start your own.
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This could be posted in several threads.
What do you mean by "finding pirate". His real life identity was known long before he defaulted as were the identities of some of his real life business associates and his family. We even know when he's next due in court in relation to other matters.
What is needed now is for people who've lost funds to actually go ahead and file complaints with the various agencies responsible for investigating investment fraud, cyber-crime, etc. The more people who do that, the better. As such frauds go, this is not a big one, so a large volume of formal complaints is highly desirable.
What is needed now is for people who've lost funds to actually go ahead and file complaints with the various agencies responsible for investigating investment fraud, cyber-crime, etc. The more people who do that, the better. As such frauds go, this is not a big one, so a large volume of formal complaints is highly desirable.
That's what I'm really wondering... First, if his identity isn't know, can we not at least get a log from the forum admin with all the IP addresses he logged in with and go from there? Second, if his identity is known, can we not get a complaint form together for BTCST customers to fill out so that a formal complaint or class action lawsuit may be filed?
"formal complaint or class action lawsuit"
What you are asking is that a group of crypto-anarchists should get together and seek legal redress from a central authority. Do you not understand how silly that request sounds and how it goes entirely against the fiber of this community?
So far the only consensus reached on punishment for Pirate has been to assign him a "Scammer" tag. If you believe additional punishment is needed from the community, then by all means outline what you intend. I am not interested in hearing about attempts at punishment than involve state actors. In my opinion it should be entirely community/consensus driven and peer-to-peer, just like Bitcoin itself.
If you don't like it, feel free to not participate. As an anarchist you should appreciate that others have the freedom to seek other forms of action if they feel it necessary, and they should also be able to discuss without you talking down on them or saying you aren't interested in hearing about it. If you don't want to hear about it, then close the thread and go start your own.
What do you mean by "finding pirate". His real life identity was known long before he defaulted as were the identities of some of his real life business associates and his family. We even know when he's next due in court in relation to other matters.
What is needed now is for people who've lost funds to actually go ahead and file complaints with the various agencies responsible for investigating investment fraud, cyber-crime, etc. The more people who do that, the better. As such frauds go, this is not a big one, so a large volume of formal complaints is highly desirable.
What is needed now is for people who've lost funds to actually go ahead and file complaints with the various agencies responsible for investigating investment fraud, cyber-crime, etc. The more people who do that, the better. As such frauds go, this is not a big one, so a large volume of formal complaints is highly desirable.
That's what I'm really wondering... First, if his identity isn't know, can we not at least get a log from the forum admin with all the IP addresses he logged in with and go from there? Second, if his identity is known, can we not get a complaint form together for BTCST customers to fill out so that a formal complaint or class action lawsuit may be filed?
"formal complaint or class action lawsuit"
What you are asking is that a group of crypto-anarchists should get together and seek legal redress from a central authority. Do you not understand how silly that request sounds and how it goes entirely against the fiber of this community?
So far the only consensus reached on punishment for Pirate has been to assign him a "Scammer" tag. If you believe additional punishment is needed from the community, then by all means outline what you intend. I am not interested in hearing about attempts at punishment than involve state actors. In my opinion it should be entirely community/consensus driven and peer-to-peer, just like Bitcoin itself.
What do you mean by "finding pirate". His real life identity was known long before he defaulted as were the identities of some of his real life business associates and his family. We even know when he's next due in court in relation to other matters.
What is needed now is for people who've lost funds to actually go ahead and file complaints with the various agencies responsible for investigating investment fraud, cyber-crime, etc. The more people who do that, the better. As such frauds go, this is not a big one, so a large volume of formal complaints is highly desirable.
What is needed now is for people who've lost funds to actually go ahead and file complaints with the various agencies responsible for investigating investment fraud, cyber-crime, etc. The more people who do that, the better. As such frauds go, this is not a big one, so a large volume of formal complaints is highly desirable.
That's what I'm really wondering... First, if his identity isn't know, can we not at least get a log from the forum admin with all the IP addresses he logged in with and go from there? Second, if his identity is known, can we not get a complaint form together for BTCST customers to fill out so that a formal complaint or class action lawsuit may be filed?
I'm doing my God Damned best, but my last efforts have all been for not. I found a strong connection between Pirate and Global Oil Fund, but all those posts have been removed.
I am not very happy now.
~Bruno~
I am not very happy now.
~Bruno~
Who removed them and why ?
Yes. Who? And why?
I suppose it was an admin of this forum, wasn't it?
What do you mean by "finding pirate". His real life identity was known long before he defaulted as were the identities of some of his real life business associates and his family. We even know when he's next due in court in relation to other matters.
What is needed now is for people who've lost funds to actually go ahead and file complaints with the various agencies responsible for investigating investment fraud, cyber-crime, etc. The more people who do that, the better. As such frauds go, this is not a big one, so a large volume of formal complaints is highly desirable.
What is needed now is for people who've lost funds to actually go ahead and file complaints with the various agencies responsible for investigating investment fraud, cyber-crime, etc. The more people who do that, the better. As such frauds go, this is not a big one, so a large volume of formal complaints is highly desirable.
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