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Quote from: Helena Yu on October 22, 2023, 07:46:41 AM

Quote from: PytagoraZ on October 22, 2023, 07:12:30 AM

legalize it with a high minimum price. Or use KYC so that 1 person only has 1 account. However, this forum is an reedom forum by limiting it, we destroy freedom in this forum, the current system is good and nothing needs to be changed.

This forum isn't controlling the price, either high or not, it's not change a fact someone who bought an account is using cheat to have a high rank account. Having KYC rule in this forum surely will make people to leave this forum.

Remember Bitcointalk is a place to discuss about Bitcoin, not purely as a place to work or making money.

If theymos not agree with merit selling, I don't think he will agree to legalize it.

Quote from: theymos on October 21, 2018, 09:28:55 AM

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

Agree with this mate there some people who selling thier account with a high value and for sure they will not going to expose or used thier main account to do that And it's probably they will use an alt account. but once it caught that account is from selling then DT members will give a negative tag on that account so if other user want to buy an account and the purpose is to work or to earn money then thats a bad decision cause once it's caught like what I said above it will have a negative feedback and we all know that some high payer campaign didn't accept account have negative feedback.

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There's no solution fot stopping them from selling sn account and I don't think that account buyers wi reveal their original account or main account to anyone. In order to waste their time, effort and money then giving negative trust score to that account is what you should do if it is proven that the account is bought from someone. The account can still be use to log in here in the forum but if the account is used to participate in signature campaigns then it will have a hard time getting accepted except 1xbit if it's still running.

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Quote from: blckhawk on October 30, 2023, 09:40:44 AM

I didn't expect this to get this much attention, I will try to reply when I can. Even forgot that I started this topic lmao.

Why? You open your topic with the word solution the title alone will attract attention considering that the subject is quite an issue here in Bitcointalk and you open in one of the most popular sections of Bitcointalk.

You mean you don't have this, so you don't care or just want to ignore every discussion that you participated in when every there is a question for you that you need to address?

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Quote from: GbitG on October 23, 2023, 04:27:16 PM

Selling bitcoin Talk accounts is not a fair thing to do but a legal offence, regardless of who is the seller or the buyer.

Their is some certain things to be said out concerning selling of account..from initial statement I have not condemned selling of account and I'm not against it, but the issue is that a sold account can be use for illegality due to the reputation of the rightful owner of the account has create with people, so the buyer can't use this account as same as the owner both writing and otherwise.

Quote from: GbitG on October 23, 2023, 04:27:16 PM

Both are doing an impractical job. Why choose the wrong way when a job can be done the right way? Meaning, if you have come to learn something, then there is no question that you will leave without learning something.

It's very obvious that someone that bought accounts of senior member neither of a hero member is not going to learn with such hierarchy account, and it assumed that before you get such accounts I mentioned that means your contribution in the forum will be very strong and perfect.

Quote from: GbitG on October 23, 2023, 04:27:16 PM

In other words, people get knowledge from the beginning on this forum, but some fools read in the thought of earning without collecting or learning knowledge, and similar people buy Bitcoin talk-ready accounts only for money. Later, due to not knowing anything, the accounts of these people were also banned. So what is the benefit of this thing? You earn money from signatures for some time, and then it ends.

the mindset of whom that bought account in the forum is not only to learn but to understand the basics concept of the forum, but the main objectives of someone who bought accounts is to earn a weekly subscription from the forum so it's not that is coming to learn and know the rules and regulations of forum

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Quote from: blckhawk on October 30, 2023, 09:40:44 AM

Quote from: PytagoraZ on October 22, 2023, 07:12:30 AM

Are you kidding me? If you do that then your account will be tagged. One way to prevent buying and selling accounts is to prohibit it, or legalize it with a high minimum price. Or use KYC so that 1 person only has 1 account. However, this forum is an reedom forum by limiting it, we destroy freedom in this forum, the current system is good and nothing needs to be changed.

If you actually use your common sense, you can probably do it anonymously and create another account to post your investigations and it's not like you're using it to gain fame or infamy in the forum, you want to do it so account buyers and sellers are discouraged from doing so. KYC is not going to be a thing here, if it were then the doxing tags would be useless and invalidated.

I didn't expect this to get this much attention, I will try to reply when I can. Even forgot that I started this topic lmao.

Yes maybe you can but I don't have much time to create alts and operate other accounts.

Of course you post will get attention because you are thinking of a solution to the forum's problem. However, I'm sure many senior members have thought about this before us and maybe what DT is doing is quite effective because I also didn't find another way because basically buying and selling accounts is not prohibited by the forum.

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Quote from: blckhawk on October 30, 2023, 09:40:44 AM

Quote from: PytagoraZ on October 22, 2023, 07:12:30 AM

Are you kidding me? If you do that then your account will be tagged. One way to prevent buying and selling accounts is to prohibit it, or legalize it with a high minimum price. Or use KYC so that 1 person only has 1 account. However, this forum is an reedom forum by limiting it, we destroy freedom in this forum, the current system is good and nothing needs to be changed.

I didn't expect this to get this much attention, I will try to reply when I can. Even forgot that I started this topic lmao.

Just a little bunches of attention here and there from different perspectives and you are already running away and abandoning (forgetting) your topic that you supposedly created for a good course. Lol.

If you can't withstand this attention how then do you intend to withstand any attack that might be fired at you by the so-called account buyers in your bid to make bad business for them? Perhaps you never thought of that.

There are things in life we can't stop from continually happening no matter how we try, and buying/selling of accounts is one of them, we can only prevent it from surging and I think the forum DT's are doing their best in that area. They are not magicians so they can't clamp down on all but the few one they have been able to decipher demonstrates that they are not sleeping on bike.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on October 22, 2023, 07:12:30 AM

Are you kidding me? If you do that then your account will be tagged. One way to prevent buying and selling accounts is to prohibit it, or legalize it with a high minimum price. Or use KYC so that 1 person only has 1 account. However, this forum is an reedom forum by limiting it, we destroy freedom in this forum, the current system is good and nothing needs to be changed.

If you actually use your common sense, you can probably do it anonymously and create another account to post your investigations and it's not like you're using it to gain fame or infamy in the forum, you want to do it so account buyers and sellers are discouraged from doing so. KYC is not going to be a thing here, if it were then the doxing tags would be useless and invalidated.

I didn't expect this to get this much attention, I will try to reply when I can. Even forgot that I started this topic lmao.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 26, 2023, 10:19:41 AM

Quote from: rat03gopoh on October 26, 2023, 09:35:13 AM

And I've also seen some in the past offering green trust score accounts for sale. You can certainly guess what it's for.

Either the seller is a scammer, or the buyer wants to scam. If anything, I'm surprised account sellers aren't more creative! For years, I've expected it but never seen it, so I might as well give them the idea now:

-sell accounts (this is happening already)
-sell DT1-inclusions
-sell DT1-exclusions
-sell inclusions with 250+ earned Merits
-sell inclusions with 10+ earned Merits
-sell a Merit source
-sell good posts that will earn Merit on it's own
-sell good posts including a certain number of Merit received within a certain number of days
-sell positive feedback (after a fixed trade)
-sell negative feedback (for whatever reason)
-sell Mod-accounts Cheesy

-sell Admin-accounts (there must be someone out there dumb enough to fall for it)

All of the above of course comes with the (high) risk of getting scammed Tongue

And even if you didn't get scammed, if you can't create good posts on your own, chances are you're going to be found out as an account buyer. Or you may just buy plagiarized content.
So just create your own account and learn things on your own, that's much more valuable in the long run.

Wow, it looks like you have a large collection of accounts. Can I bid on a merit source account, a mod account, and maybe theymos account? Come on, we can talk. LOL Grin

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Quote from: rat03gopoh on October 26, 2023, 09:35:13 AM

And I've also seen some in the past offering green trust score accounts for sale. You can certainly guess what it's for.

Either the seller is a scammer, or the buyer wants to scam. If anything, I'm surprised account sellers aren't more creative! For years, I've expected it but never seen it, so I might as well give them the idea now:

-sell accounts (this is happening already)
-sell DT1-inclusions
-sell DT1-exclusions
-sell inclusions with 250+ earned Merits
-sell inclusions with 10+ earned Merits
-sell a Merit source
-sell good posts that will earn Merit on it's own
-sell good posts including a certain number of Merit received within a certain number of days
-sell positive feedback (after a fixed trade)
-sell negative feedback (for whatever reason)
-sell Mod-accounts Cheesy

-sell Admin-accounts (there must be someone out there dumb enough to fall for it)

All of the above of course comes with the (high) risk of getting scammed Tongue

And even if you didn't get scammed, if you can't create good posts on your own, chances are you're going to be found out as an account buyer. Or you may just buy plagiarized content.
So just create your own account and learn things on your own, that's much more valuable in the long run.

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Quote from: rat03gopoh on October 26, 2023, 09:35:13 AM

Quote from: DYING_S0UL on October 26, 2023, 03:21:23 AM

To do signature campaign, right?

Actually, not only that, in my local area there is an offer to create a new custom account with no limitation of ip-evil guarantee from the seller. And I've also seen some in the past offering green trust score accounts for sale. You can certainly guess what it's for.

By green trust did you meant positive feedback? If yes, Getting green trust isn't that hard. You just have to get yourself involved in a fake financial deal. Not that you need money, but you'll take a loan anyway for that tag. You can use a escrow service from a forum user or take loan from a reputed user and pay it in time. He will eventually tag you with a positive feedback saying "This person took money from me and retuned in time. Everything went smooth". Voilaa you got a green tag.

If you meant trust by DT. It isn't that easy.

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Quote from: DYING_S0UL on October 26, 2023, 03:21:23 AM

To do signature campaign, right?

Actually, not only that, in my local area there is an offer to create a new custom account with no limitation of ip-evil guarantee from the seller. And I've also seen some in the past offering green trust score accounts for sale. You can certainly guess what it's for.

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Quote from: Solosanz on October 22, 2023, 03:00:29 AM

This only raise a new drama.

Remember DT members will leave negative feedback to an account that's not only changed hands, but they will leave negative feedback to the buyer or someone who have interest to buy. Let's say you're want do that and you create a new thread if you catch someone sell his account, you could get tagged too.

What if there's a troll who want to destroy someone else reputation?

Bob: Hey I want to buy Sr member rank, how much it is? can I know the username?
Alice: Yes the rate is $999,999,999, the username is blckhawk.

Imagine you're Bob, you will create a new thread and accuse blckhawk's account is the seller account, what do you think?

So not only the seller and buyer gets negative tag but also innocent blckhawk gets tagged. Nice way to drown with everyone.

OP, what you proposed will cause unnecessary suspicious. I know you had good intention. But by doing so it may damage other people's image. And once your image is destroyed nobody cares. For reputed member it won't cause anything. But imagine some alts making a thread saying you or me is alt account of him. Forget about thread, a seller is not a fool. He may tell you this in PM. Then later screenshots it?

The best way to stop account selling is already there. There are many reputed members who are always checking accounts for suspicious activity. And if they see any they sure would tag them.

Why do you think people sell and buy bitcointalk accounts?

To do signature campaign, right? So instead of focusing on, who bought what, you should focus on signature campaign. To be specific, campaign manager should make strict rules. Maybe do some modifications, readjustments.

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Quote from: SamReomo on October 23, 2023, 01:55:57 PM

The wrong path is always risky and if someone wants to choose it then that person has to bear the consequences. The account selling isn't accepted in this forum and is a highly disliked thing and anyone who sells or buys accounts is taking a very wrong step which could ruin his/her original account.

Selling bitcoin Talk accounts is not a fair thing to do but a legal offence, regardless of who is the seller or the buyer. Both are doing an impractical job. Why choose the wrong way when a job can be done the right way? Meaning, if you have come to learn something, then there is no question that you will leave without learning something. In other words, people get knowledge from the beginning on this forum, but some fools read in the thought of earning without collecting or learning knowledge, and similar people buy Bitcoin talk-ready accounts only for money. Later, due to not knowing anything, the accounts of these people were also banned. So what is the benefit of this thing? You earn money from signatures for some time, and then it ends.

Although those people do not know that the account grows on the basis of knowledge, its earnings are permanent and forever, and it does not present any problem in the forum, i.e., from bans, etc., and everyone looks at it from a respective point of view. Are So, it means that you should not waste your time and knowledge to earn money for a short period of time, but by running accounts properly, you will learn knowledge and earn money automatically.

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There is no full-proof way to stop account sellers and buyers because the buyers are the ones who want to earn money from the signature campaigns as they can't rank up their account in the traditional way because they aren't competent enough to earn any merits. The sellers are mostly frauds and whenever they sell an account the buyer will get tagged because we have some very smart guys on forum who can detect sold account with their knowledge and tools.

The ones who believe in account farming often try to buy the already ranked up account and in order to do that they will create new accounts and contact the sellers who are selling those accounts. The buyers will try their best to hide their identity and their real account in almost every way and it's almost impossible to find those buyers unless they make some humanly mistakes which they probably will make most of the times.

The wrong path is always risky and if someone wants to choose it then that person has to bear the consequences. The account selling isn't accepted in this forum and is a highly disliked thing and anyone who sells or buys accounts is taking a very wrong step which could ruin his/her original account.

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Quote from: rat03gopoh on October 23, 2023, 09:26:02 AM

Account trading isn't prohibited, so I think there is no need to think about going to the trouble of trapping the perpetrator. Their initiative is clearly not to contribute to the forum, there is a big sign that is visible. Let them spend some of their money on useless accounts (after changing hands). They just activate their own time bomb to get caught, then do the same thing over and over again until they give up.

Account sells is not prohibited but it is discouraged, so it doesn't actually worth it to begin the process discussed above. It will lead to so many drama. This is because of you set up an advert pretending to buy an account and finally you discover the account seller. The accusations could be that you are a real account buyer but things went wrong and you decided to cast the whole process. I don't know if anyone is understanding me.

If accounts smoothly changes hand, there shouldn't be a problem with that but if it happens in a shady manner, the account should be tagged and that will be fine. Going extra miles to catch account buyers and sellers is not worth it.

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Account trading isn't prohibited, so I think there is no need to think about going to the trouble of trapping the perpetrator. Their initiative is clearly not to contribute to the forum, there is a big sign that is visible. Let them spend some of their money on useless accounts (after changing hands). They just activate their own time bomb to get caught, then do the same thing over and over again until they give up.

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Quote from: Lucius on October 23, 2023, 05:11:06 AM

Quote from: PytagoraZ on October 22, 2023, 08:01:57 PM

Yes, I know a little about DT. Is there anything wrong about that? Or do you think that I, who is still an FM, can't read the mechanisms and how the forum works? JG, nutildah, lovesmyfamily, and others seem to have good abilities in analyzing things like that

There is no need for any analysis, if you see that someone is selling or wants to buy a BTT account, the matter is completely clear - you are obviously mixing the fight against plagiarism and AI with what we are discussing.

Unfortunately, account buying and selling transactions are not carried out on the forum. They are not that stupid and they definitely make transactions on Telegram. I saw a thread on the reputation board that buying and selling accounts can be determined by differences in language or knowledge. It is not easy to identify buying and selling accounts, but some can still be caught

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on October 22, 2023, 08:01:57 PM

Yes, most members don't care because they only care about the signature campaign they are involved in. Maybe if there were no signature campaigns then the forum would be clean and the ones who would survive would be members who like to discuss. So the best way to deal with buying and selling accounts, spammers, scammers, and trollers, is to remove signature and bounty campaigns. Grin

This is something that was discussed a lot, but we all know that without sig campaigns this forum would look completely different and it would probably lose a lot of members. It is an extreme measure, but it should also be emphasized that it is one of the measures on the table in case nothing else can help.

Of course half of the total members or maybe more will leave this forum. But it was a suicidal act, the signature campaign was very helpful in introducing bitcoin. From this campaign we were able to get our first bitcoin and that's where we started to become interested in bitcoin. Maybe for now many members still consider the campaign as a livelihood, but as time goes by they will hold onto their bitcoins. The more people who know about Bitcoin, the better. Of course there are always those who take advantage of circumstances to cheat, I think it happens everywhere, because the concept of idealism will forever be utopian.

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Quote from: blckhawk on October 22, 2023, 02:47:24 AM

Someone should create a trap account that advertises itself as someone who sells forum accounts so we can once and for all mark the account buyers, I don't know if it's a weird solution but if we can also cull the account buyers itself then we can ultimately discourage the selling itself because if the buyers are afraid that they might be dealing with a narc then that would mean that they're going to have second-thoughts about buying an account which in turn lessens the demand which discourages sellers. It's also foolproof too if the one who does the entrapment is smart enough to lead on the buyer to their main account which is the likely thing that's going to happen.

PS. I don't know if this is the appropriate board for this so bear with me, I know how to move the topic so just tell me where.

If people where found in this kind of activities, then their bubbles always get caught up within a short period of time they least expect, because it will definitely show a change of hands on the account, from such you can discover from the user way of postings pattern, email used and the password reset that might have been conducted on such account, all these are possible through the help of the ninjastic threads to help in tracking the account past records, what i don't seem to understand is the reason behind doing this by some of the people.

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Quote from: Lucius on October 23, 2023, 05:11:06 AM

I think that there is a clear difference between DT1 and all other levels of the DT system, because it is more than clear that my feedback does not have the same weight as the identical feedback of one of the respectable DT1 members. Their lack of interest (with some exceptions, of course) first of all encourages sellers and buyers, and creates an image of some kind of situation that can be defined as "I don't really care about it"

While I do agree that feedback of some members has more weight (and some less due their tendency to leave all sorts of questionable feedbacks) I don't think that it has to do with DT1/DT2 status but rather with reputation of those members.

I honestly don't see how its different if account seller gets tagged by a DT1 member or DT2 member and would really like to see the example of what you are talking about. I mean, since account sale is not forbidden by forum rules, all we can do is tag them and then its up to them to decide whether they will continue selling or not.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on October 22, 2023, 08:01:57 PM

Yes, most members don't care because they only care about the signature campaign they are involved in. Maybe if there were no signature campaigns then the forum would be clean and the ones who would survive would be members who like to discuss. So the best way to deal with buying and selling accounts, spammers, scammers, and trollers, is to remove signature and bounty campaigns. Grin

This is something that was discussed a lot, but we all know that without sig campaigns this forum would look completely different and it would probably lose a lot of members. It is an extreme measure, but it should also be emphasized that it is one of the measures on the table in case nothing else can help.

I used to ask for a signature holiday 1 month a year any month pick it and do it lets see how much traffic leaves the website.
I now realize theymos is far more of a smart business man then I have ever been.
the traffic and coins earned via the signature campaigns are a world wide advertisement for BTC as a business tool.
I belong to a campaign now I do not do a lot of campaigns but with my mining income down I wanted more income. So I got into a campaign.
This campaign has given away 20 btc in 50 weeks and has made 10s of thousands of posts people are earning and spending the BTC. So I am no longer in favor of my 1 month a year campaign vacation.

Not that I want crappy spammy posts. Not that I want people that have alts stealing signature money. But the brilliance of allowing signature space rentals is quite a good idea.

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