Topic: Solution to account seller? I think - page 2. (Read 604 times)

Yes, most likely that is the case now, seen some who still continue to sell accounts and they don't care if they are getting negative tag because it really doesn't have any effect on on them. And for most DT members, just a waste of time for them. And if one account is getting tag, comes 2 or even more accounts popping up to continue to sell.

The only solution is to outright ban account sellers, but as I have said, they will just create more accounts and willing to pay for it. And then continue what they've used to. And as long as there are account buyers, this sellers are going to stay here.

I think that there is a clear difference between DT1 and all other levels of the DT system, because it is more than clear that my feedback does not have the same weight as the identical feedback of one of the respectable DT1 members. Their lack of interest (with some exceptions, of course) first of all encourages sellers and buyers, and creates an image of some kind of situation that can be defined as "I don't really care about it".


Perhaps the problem is that most DT1 members do not visit the board where such topics are found, and although it is true that there are not dozens of such topics, at least one or two new ones appear every week.

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There is no need for any analysis, if you see that someone is selling or wants to buy a BTT account, the matter is completely clear - you are obviously mixing the fight against plagiarism and AI with what we are discussing.


This is something that was discussed a lot, but we all know that without sig campaigns this forum would look completely different and it would probably lose a lot of members. It is an extreme measure, but it should also be emphasized that it is one of the measures on the table in case nothing else can help.

From what I've seen: the majority of account "sellers" are just scammers, sometimes with a few Newbie accounts "vouching" for them. But I've also seen at least one escrow who handled account sales, so it's still possible.
And there are of course Newbies who just PM someone asking to buy their account.

I've also seen a post saying: "My account is for sale for 21,000,001 Bitcoin".

That's not how it works

I mean first of all if someone is selling any account he won't be disclosing the original account to be sold and otherwise no one will buying it and second the one who's buying who disclose his original information for oblivious reason. So even if we create such trap won't be catching any one for sure.

Secondly, account trading issue is quite complicated. If you go after the sellers, it might stop some new accounts created just for selling, but the ones already selling might continue. If we target the buyers, it could reduce the demand, but determined sellers might still find ways to sell accounts. So, it's not a simple problem with one clear solution.

Anyway, instead if we start teaching ethics that might work faster  

So the abuse is still not handled right since we don't have demerit and stoppage of merit source?

To be honest I don't think merit source is the problem because they have a lot merit and it's fair for them to support their local boards etc. The problem is non merit sources, they easily abuse it after they get many merit from merit sources.

There's no proof if merit abuse is always merit selling and if you tag someone because they only abusing merit system, you will not become a DT member anymore which mean such action is destroy yourself.

theymos knows there will be dark markets for merit but he does not feel big problems with merit sales.

It is not good but not like a thing will destroy Bitcointalk and abuse can be handled by demerit or take the merit source position back. Merit transactions are public and merit sales, merit abuse can be seen by everyone with Bitcointalk Merit Ledger.

Yeah can you imagine me buying an account with this account, not happening ever unless my password was hacked..

At op account buying was okay years ago. Now its not okay as it allows someone to earn more at campaigns.
There will always be account sellers and there will always be account sellers.
And the smart ones won’t be caught.

Yes, I know a little about DT. Is there anything wrong about that? Or do you think that I, who is still an FM, can't read the mechanisms and how the forum works? JG, nutildah, lovesmyfamily, and others seem to have good abilities in analyzing things like that

Yes, most members don't care because they only care about the signature campaign they are involved in. Maybe if there were no signature campaigns then the forum would be clean and the ones who would survive would be members who like to discuss. So the best way to deal with buying and selling accounts, spammers, scammers, and trollers, is to remove signature and bounty campaigns. 

No one would risk their main accounts when selling and buying accounts, so they usually use brand new/newbie accounts. The same time to trap sellers on what accounts are going to sold, since anyone can say that any account are currently on sale. Unless, they provide signed message that they really owned the account but i don't think they will go further than that.

At first you are a senior member in this forum you should have known the appropriate place to site your post, some times I became confused in some of accounts that asked questions on where to drop their post or not...in the aspect of selling account, forum did not forbids selling of accounts from my perspective but their is something involved in selling of account.

People who sells account doesn't reveal themselves that they want to sell their account because tag and neutral in their profile, the thing is that, the area I'm against of selling of account is that the original owner of the account you are interested to buy might be a developer or a programmer and it has already built its reputation comfortably with people

And it happens that the person who is coming to buy or buying the account doesn't know anything concerning developing a website or coin and programming, so handling such account that he or she knows nothing in that aspect, it will be disgusting and discouraging when you cross check the quality of the writeup...

So while people is being tag on account they bought is because  they misused the account in future and they may commit fraud with the account, because people may contact them thinking that it's rightful owner of the account whereas the account have changed hand by a scammer or spammer in the forum...so from my theory is encouraging for someone to start from scratch and build it's account instead buying another person's account.

I am still processing, how these deals would be taken place at the first place, I mean, ok, hypothetically speaking if I want to buy a account, whom I have to contact, who is the dealer, and why would I not give a red tag to that dealer and all the accounts that I can ask him to show me, so I could think for a second which one is better for me.

Is there any account trades recently caught, I don't think so, and I did not see many red trusted, or bad neutral tagged members joining the signature campaigns, and those who are joined, are the ones, that are trusted by the whole forum, like even the royse himself has 1 or 2 negative, many other reputed people have negative trust.

But those who got negative, are rarely accepted in any signature or bounty campaigns.

That won't accomplish anything. Anyone can create hundreds of newbie accounts and use them to buy forum accounts.


Even if they have a "main" account on the forum, there is no way for someone to force them to reveal it.

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Haha! Exactly! It would be like a game of "he said, she said" where anyone can start pretending to be a buyer or seller. Good luck figuring out who's telling the truth.

can you imagine the comedy that will unfold if two people who are pretending to be an account buyer/seller to catch an account buyer/seller accidentally talked to each other and try to expose one another 😂

exactly, and I've seen a number of threads created by people complaining about being scammed when they are trying to buy an account.

Does it really matter whether account seller is tagged by DT1 or DT2 member?


Hunting account sellers is not like hunting alt accounts as all you can really do is wait for them to create account sale topic to tag them, and its not like there's load of these topics anyway.

Do you know what DT is and which DT members are "working hard" on that problem? It used to be possible to buy and sell BTT accounts without any sanctions, then people started getting red tags only if they asked if it was possible to buy a BTT account, and today there are members who sell BTT accounts for months without having a single red tag from DT1 members. I would conclude that the majority simply do not care and do not want to spend their time on such things.

Yes, I know that the forum does not facilitate or controlling buying and selling accounts. btw, what do you mean by saying I used a cheat?

Theymos will not agree with the legalization of buying and selling accounts but it also cannot prohibit buying and selling accounts. So I don't think there is a better solution. Currently DT is working hard to identify buying and selling accounts, so I think the existing system is good. Let the forum take care of all this

Other than the fact that this has been tried before and didn't work out, who is going to set up the trap accounts? Moderators, admin or just any user? It is definitely going to cause more harm than good and i'm pretty sure one should have better things doing with their time than controlling "trap accounts" to catch account sellers/buyers.

It is quite difficult to hide forever from a bought account, some are even caught within the first few weeks after buying the account, i think this alone is a deterrent, because you risk spending a lot of money only to see the account tagged a few weeks later. I know that despite this, users still buy accounts, but only a few can manage to stay completely out of the radar and not be caught either due to change in posting style/pattern, language improvement or downgrade, etc

I agree with this, nowadays campaigns ask you for a minimum of merits in the last 120, or at least tell you that you have to be active, things like that. So even if you buy the account, you won't be able to monetise it from day one, although it will probably cost you less time. Monetizing an account that you create from 0 is going to cost you at least 9 months, while a purchased account can start to be amortized in a month. That is if the person who sells it to you doesn't scam you or if some DTs don't realise that it's a purchased account and red tag you, so for me it's not worth it either (apart from the fact that it's ethically incorrect).

Account sales can never stop, and I don't think it's worth the trouble. If people can sell accounts on strict platforms where it's prohibited and need even KYC then how about Bitcointalk where multiple accounts are allowed?
Remember, selling of Bitcointalk accounts doesn't only happen in the forum, but there are other third party sites where adverts are made as well. How are you going to track and stop all that?

Lastly, the account sellers won't just reveal the details of the account until they receive some money from you.

Account selling is not that much an issue nowadays since there’s only fee user selling and most of them has a record of scamming so no one trusted them already. Also there’s no trusted escrow that accept this kind of deal anymore so dealing with account sellers is always discourage.

The merit system make account seller impossible nowadays while most of the campaigns has a tough competition for participants so buying someone account is already useless because you will need to start from scratch. It’s better to create account and rank up naturally by posting constructive post for a better chance on campaign acceptance. Account selling is not a major issue anymore.