Topic: Solution to immigrant crime? (Read 1280 times)

You wonderfully resumed what I was trying to say. All the better, that you have experience with Philippines, highlighting that this is indeed global problem, that has to be dealt with. Indeed the solution is as simple at it is universal. Held the criminals guilty in the eyes of people they fear and respect the most - their own family. If they act for themselves, they can claim to be martyrs, but if everything they archieve is suffering for those closest to them, their own people will start to see asocial behavior as a mental illness and move to crush it.

Your points can never be put in to practice. May be they can be implemented in some of the third world nations, but definitely not in the western nations. If a government in the western world attempt to do any of these measures, then the judiciary will anull the measures, and most probably the president will be impeached and put to trial for inciting racial hatred.

Your idea is excellent. But personally, I would prefer the methods used by Emperor Wlad of Wallachia, to prevent the Muslim hordes from invading the European territory. Or perhaps, we could use a mix of these methods.

They just tried to cause trouble here in the Philippines, in a province farther away from the small Muslim-majority area. http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/04/11/17/hundreds-of-boholanos-leave-homes-due-to-abu-sayyaf-afp-clash

I would like to tell Europeans that they should just try to prevent them from coming in but that would be impossible at this point. Again, we are not saying all Muslims are bad but something should really be done to deter them from committing violence.

My suggestions for Europe:

1. Recent immigrants (those that came during the Syria and Iraq civil war, as well as those that came from North Africa around the same time) would be immediately deported after committing crime or inciting violence.

2. 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants (anyone not native of Europe) will have their families deported with them if they committed violence or has been proven to join a terrorist group abroad.

3. If terrorist and family are already naturalized citizens (in which case it might be complicated to just kick them out and/or revoke citizenship), then the family loses welfare.

Hopefully if they know their family will also suffer the consequences of their actions, they might think twice before going out and shooting at people. Unless they also happen to hate their families. Maybe this will reduce the number of the Real Housewives of ISIS.

They just tried to cause trouble here in the Philippines, in a province farther away from the small Muslim-majority area. http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/04/11/17/hundreds-of-boholanos-leave-homes-due-to-abu-sayyaf-afp-clash

I would like to tell Europeans that they should just try to prevent them from coming in but that would be impossible at this point. Again, we are not saying all Muslims are bad but something should really be done to deter them from committing violence.

My suggestions for Europe:

1. Recent immigrants (those that came during the Syria and Iraq civil war, as well as those that came from North Africa around the same time) would be immediately deported after committing crime or inciting violence.

2. 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants (anyone not native of Europe) will have their families deported with them if they committed violence or has been proven to join a terrorist group abroad.

3. If terrorist and family are already naturalized citizens (in which case it might be complicated to just kick them out and/or revoke citizenship), then the family loses welfare.

Hopefully if they know their family will also suffer the consequences of their actions, they might think twice before going out and shooting at people. Unless they also happen to hate their families. Maybe this will reduce the number of the Real Housewives of ISIS.

They just tried to cause trouble here in the Philippines, in a province farther away from the small Muslim-majority area. http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/04/11/17/hundreds-of-boholanos-leave-homes-due-to-abu-sayyaf-afp-clash

I would like to tell Europeans that they should just try to prevent them from coming in but that would be impossible at this point. Again, we are not saying all Muslims are bad but something should really be done to deter them from committing violence.

My suggestions for Europe:

1. Recent immigrants (those that came during the Syria and Iraq civil war, as well as those that came from North Africa around the same time) would be immediately deported after committing crime or inciting violence.

2. 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants (anyone not native of Europe) will have their families deported with them if they committed violence or has been proven to join a terrorist group abroad.

3. If terrorist and family are already naturalized citizens (in which case it might be complicated to just kick them out and/or revoke citizenship), then the family loses welfare.

Hopefully if they know their family will also suffer the consequences of their actions, they might think twice before going out and shooting at people. Unless they also happen to hate their families. Maybe this will reduce the number of the Real Housewives of ISIS.

Don't forget that Syria was a city of Christians and they have lived for centuries in peace with Muslims. It seems to me that we have all witnessed the religious wars of the middle ages. Deportation on religious grounds is not right. There are other methods.

Don't forget that Syria was a city of Christians and they have lived for centuries in peace with Muslims. It seems to me that we have all witnessed the religious wars of the middle ages. Deportation on religious grounds is not right. There are other methods.

The solution for this is to send them to their couintries after stoping war in their couuntries, but before that it is best to dont give them freedom for walking in country in which they comed I mean they can just be in camps and fast returned to own countries.

Prevention is better than cure. Why wait until some terrorist incident occur? Why can't we deport these people before that? Muslims in the UK must be given the same choice faced by non-Muslims in the Muslim majority nations. They should either convert to some other religion, or go back to their homelands.

Also all these discussions are always refering to one group of people.

In the UK we dont have issues with sikhs, buddists, hindus, jews, the chinese, indians, polish etc.

Every other group moves to this country, integrates, accepts the law of the land and just gets on with life.

The other group arrives, causes constant trouble with constant demands we change our way of life to suit them etc.

I would just end all migration from islamic countries immediately.

Every time there is an islamic attack you shut down and bulldose every mosque in their home town + deport all family members.

Also all these discussions are always refering to one group of people.

In the UK we dont have issues with sikhs, buddists, hindus, jews, the chinese, indians, polish etc.

Every other group moves to this country, integrates, accepts the law of the land and just gets on with life.

The other group arrives, causes constant trouble with constant demands we change our way of life to suit them etc.

I would just end all migration from islamic countries immediately.

Every time there is an islamic attack you shut down and bulldose every mosque in their home town + deport all family members.

Want to stop third worlders being third worlders? Then there needs to be brutal punishment to set an example.
What happened to European creativity? sheesh.

I have been thinking about issue with migration, legal and other. Specifically, its criminal, urban element.

Obviously, certain level of migration has been natural through out history. In some cases beneficial both for those migrating and their hosts.

What we are seeing today in western Europe are gangs of disenfranchised second and third generation migrants breaking laws, attacking property and bystanders in tragically misguided bravado as to somehow give their life some meaning.

Now, as living standarts in the west have been stagnant for the past several decades and affirmative action already took its toll on natives, it is obvious we simply cannot just provide limousines, whores and cocaine to every deprivated young man, who feels entitled to such "high standard".

What we can do is to respect culture these men from middle East, Africa and Asia came from.

Those cultures are all still clan based, scoffing upon individualism as a sign of weakness and decadence.

In historical Japan, peace and stability was upkept through collective guilt. If someone from your family committed serious crime, it was not only him but also the head of family (that failed to keep in line) who was held responsible. Through, individually perhaps unjust, the system after decades of civil war brought upon peace that lasted for hundreds of years. Your family, your responsibility.

There is only one thing, unruly yougsters in the west fears today and it is not police. It is not debts aswell, as you cannot take away from someone who owns nothing. They fear each other, their parents and cousins.

What I propose is value system, that rewards individuals for their personal archievements and punishes the clan for failures and crimes.

Your thoughts are most welcome, gentlemen.

EDIT: Just highlighted the focus, so not everybody will start to order mortar for sky high walls.

What we are seeing today in western Europe are gangs of disenfranchised second and third generation migrants breaking laws, attacking property and bystanders in tragically misguided bravado as to somehow give their life some meaning.