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Topic: (SOLVED) BTC365.com SCAM me 20Mbtc (Read 1045 times)

newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 21
September 26, 2021, 03:27:16 AM
#63
i can aprrove that the reset of my money withdraw by me and i got it to my wallet.
Glad to hear that.

Since the accusation has been resolved so any users still supporting the flags should delete their votes. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2835

@oz.kashi you need to be careful next time before using any sites, make sure you choose the reputed one.

yes.. i hope that its wony heppend again to any other user
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 21
September 26, 2021, 03:26:47 AM
#62
i can aprrove that the reset of my money withdraw by me and i got it to my wallet.
To be clear: did you receive the remaining 20 mBTC from btc365.com?
If that's the case, you should Withdraw your Support for this Flag.

i Withdraw my support as asked.
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 21
September 26, 2021, 03:07:01 AM
#59
Quick update.
I sent them all the requested documents and the call zoom they ask was done today.

Let’s see what will be next
Any update about the zoom call?

hello

i can aprrove that the reset of my money withdraw by me and i got it to my wallet.

I want to say a big thank you to all the forum members. Without you I would not have been able to get my money back.
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 21
September 24, 2021, 03:40:49 PM
#57
Quick update.
I sent them all the requested documents and the call zoom they ask was done today.

Let’s see what will be next
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 21
September 24, 2021, 02:54:58 AM
#52
They requested a number of documents in addition to making a zoom call. The call was scheduled to be today. I will update after the call.
Are you okay with this? So far, they look like scammers. Who knows what they'll do with your documents!
I wouldn't send them anything.
I’m not ok with that but I want my money..
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 21
September 24, 2021, 02:13:06 AM
#50
Hi @oz.kashi, i believe customer service have reached out correct ? We will revert and unfreeze the balance once the process has been verified and completed. Thanks for your corporation.

Hello

Support Contact me.

They requested a number of documents in addition to making a zoom call. The call was scheduled to be today. I will update after the call.

legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
September 26, 2021, 03:32:02 AM
#45
i Withdraw my support as asked.
Thanks, it's important (for other cases) to use Flags according to the Trust Flags guidelines.

Current Flag Supporters: panjul07, examplens, Slow death, sheenshane, dkbit98, icopress, Lordshiva, Maasdamer, Blossom15, LEVSKI7, kontrakwel, rokuen: please consider withdrawing your Support for this Flag.



I've removed my negative feedback and added new neutral feedback:
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BTC365.com took 20mBTC from a user based on what their sportsbook provider told them. They didn't provide any evidence and they themselves hadn't even seen the evidence either. What they accused the user of wasn't forbidden by the Terms.
After 2 weeks, and only after receiving negative feedback and an active type 3 Flag, they demanded full KYC including video call. After all this, they gave the user back his money. Think carefully before depositing to BTC365!
And this one remains:
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I wouldn't trust a website that reserves the right to confiscate funds based on nothing more than a hunch:
https://www.btc365.com/help/terms: "we may ~ confiscate ~ all funds in your account at our absolute discretion if ~ we suspect" [something]
legendary
Activity: 1820
Merit: 1207
September 26, 2021, 03:25:20 AM
#44
i can aprrove that the reset of my money withdraw by me and i got it to my wallet.
Glad to hear that.

Since the accusation has been resolved so any users still supporting the flags should delete their votes. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2835

@oz.kashi you need to be careful next time before using any sites, make sure you choose the reputed one.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
September 26, 2021, 03:19:15 AM
#43
i can aprrove that the reset of my money withdraw by me and i got it to my wallet.
To be clear: did you receive the remaining 20 mBTC from btc365.com?
If that's the case, you should Withdraw your Support for this Flag.
legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 3878
Hire Bitcointalk Camp. Manager @ r7promotions.com
September 25, 2021, 08:56:59 PM
#42
Quick update.
I sent them all the requested documents and the call zoom they ask was done today.

Let’s see what will be next
Any update about the zoom call?
legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 3878
Hire Bitcointalk Camp. Manager @ r7promotions.com
September 24, 2021, 07:36:42 AM
#41
Are you okay with this? So far, they look like scammers. Who knows what they'll do with your documents!
I wouldn't send them anything.
I guess there are no other way left except this. They need to be confirmed that next time the same user will not come to them again and oz.kashi needs his money.

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It also looks like the only reason they're willing to resolve this is because of the reputation damage on Bitcointalk, and not because it's the right thing to do.
Or maybe they are learning from their mistakes and trying to correct things as they are moving. Reputation is something that takes years to build. For example: BestChange.
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 7064
September 24, 2021, 05:26:42 AM
#40
BTC365 updated terms are totally ridiculous but I guess they have the right to make up whatever rules they want, problem is they won't have any customers left to play.
Imagine if you can arrest someone and take all his money without any trial, investigation or evidence, just because you SUSPECT he is guilty for some crime...  Roll Eyes

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10.1. Without restricting our ability to rely on other remedies that may be available to us, we may suspend and/or terminate your account, reduce betting limits, cancel any outstanding bets and/or confiscate any or all funds in your account at our absolute discretion if:
- we suspect... or
- we suspect... or
- we suspect.. or
- we suspect... or
- we suspect... or
https://archive.ph/pfjgJ
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
September 24, 2021, 04:01:04 AM
#39
Adding a new rule when the accusation is still active isn't correct IMO.
The Terms are really unfair for users:
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we may ~ confiscate ~ all funds in your account at our absolute discretion if ~ we suspect [something]
I'd never send money to a place that reserves the right to confiscate funds based on nothing more than a hunch.

Definition of suspicion

 (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : the act or an instance of suspecting something wrong without proof or on slight evidence : mistrust
legendary
Activity: 1820
Merit: 1207
September 24, 2021, 03:18:00 AM
#38
I remembered I've search "arbitrage" on your terms, but I can't find it. After this accusation comes up you now add it

10.1. -snip-
- we suspect that you are attempting or have perform arbitrage betting or movement betting on BTC365.com; or

Adding a new rule when the accusation is still active isn't correct IMO. This show you not really wanted to release the funds to him, instead you complicate him with your KYC rules. Not to say you'll add new ponzi rule to enable withdrawal....
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
September 24, 2021, 02:53:59 AM
#37
They requested a number of documents in addition to making a zoom call. The call was scheduled to be today. I will update after the call.
Are you okay with this? So far, they look like scammers. Who knows what they'll do with your documents!
I wouldn't send them anything.

It also looks like the only reason they're willing to resolve this is because of the reputation damage on Bitcointalk, and not because it's the right thing to do.
copper member
Activity: 66
Merit: 1
September 23, 2021, 11:57:34 PM
#36
Hi @oz.kashi, i believe customer service have reached out correct ? We will revert and unfreeze the balance once the process has been verified and completed. Thanks for your corporation.
legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 3878
Hire Bitcointalk Camp. Manager @ r7promotions.com
September 21, 2021, 05:44:47 PM
#35
I thought of another question for btc365partners: who has the 20 mBTC now? Is it you, who couldn't even verify BTi's claim, or is it BTi, who doesn't want to provide any evidence?

This is how you can make sure you can't ever be accused of confiscating funds for your own benefit:
I'm happy to donate at minimum the funds involved in this claim to a charity of the community's choosing.
@loyceV , we took a leaf out from your book where you suggested donating the involved funds to charity to avoid accusation of confiscating funds for our own benefits. Perhaps you can clarify why you no longer support this idea
The missing part here is that in your last post, it sounded like from your side there were no evidence to accuse oz.kashi. It was like your provider told you to confiscate the accuser's fund, and you just followed what they said.

When I and some other users were dealing with neymarjr12 case, SB provided us data to analyze. And their decision was backed by data.

Anyway, I see there are intention of resolving the case and even intentions to go further like donating some matched sum to charity. I am still not supporting the flag, giving the time to rearrange your thought process and find a better solution. It's good to see that you are taking suggestions from community and learning.

We also have reached a mutual agreement with out sports vendor BTi that we will release the involved funds (20 mBTC) should ozkashi provide the required KYC from our side. Please email to [email protected] with the subject header ozkashi - KYC request.
Not only oz.kashi but also the other suspected accounts that you think were involving with arbitrage betting. Do KYC for all the suspected accounts so that next time the same ID do not give you hard time.
jr. member
Activity: 35
Merit: 4
September 21, 2021, 04:31:14 PM
#34
We also have reached a mutual agreement with out sports vendor BTi that we will release the involved funds (20 mBTC) should ozkashi provide the required KYC from our side. Please email to [email protected] with the subject header ozkashi - KYC request.

Which KYC did you require from ozkashi? Phone number? ID verification? Utility


2. Is there any KYC needed to cashout ANY of my funds or can I be fully anonymous when using your site forever?


2) The only KYC needed would be a valid email address upon any withdrawal done for your account. We try to keep all players anonymous.


You requiring any of those would contradict what you told me.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
September 21, 2021, 03:06:45 PM
#33
@loyceV , we took a leaf out from your book where you suggested donating the involved funds to charity to avoid accusation of confiscating funds for our own benefits. Perhaps you can clarify why you no longer support this idea
I've explained this already in my previous posts:
So to summarize: you took 20 mBTC from a user because of an unproven accusation of something that isn't forbidden by any of the rules.
If foul play is proven, donating funds to charity would be better than keeping it for yourself. You didn't prove anything.
copper member
Activity: 66
Merit: 1
September 21, 2021, 02:40:41 PM
#32
Dear bitcointalk community, we stand by our game providers final verdict on compliance actions. The integrity of our compliance decision out weights the sum of funds involved for this matter.
We also have reached a mutual agreement with out sports vendor BTi that we will release the involved funds (20 mBTC) should ozkashi provide the required KYC from our side. Please email to [email protected] with the subject header ozkashi - KYC request.

@oz.kashi, seeking your permission to share your bet history and transactions done on BTC365.com via this forum thread

I thought of another question for btc365partners: who has the 20 mBTC now? Is it you, who couldn't even verify BTi's claim, or is it BTi, who doesn't want to provide any evidence?

This is how you can make sure you can't ever be accused of confiscating funds for your own benefit:
I'm happy to donate at minimum the funds involved in this claim to a charity of the community's choosing.
@loyceV , we took a leaf out from your book where you suggested donating the involved funds to charity to avoid accusation of confiscating funds for our own benefits. Perhaps you can clarify why you no longer support this idea
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