Topic: [Solved]Paradice.in fraud accusation (Read 526 times)

You can see that they aren't willing to pay because they change the terms as they like, even though I haven't broken the terms on their website!
You probably don't have a license because you do this kind of thing, right? lol

Read above my post including few user quotes, it's clear stated you're allowing people to gamble with bonus and no rules about withdrawing bonuses winning.

You're just want to hide your fault with "I reserve the right to add/change the rules any time and any condition"

Flag type 3 has been created, I suggest to support it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2675

I would still like to hear what kind of abuse is that actually about?
Did he break any company's terms of use? Which ones?
Did he use a bot or multiple accounts? Was there a bug or a glitch on the website?

I'm sure a lot of the potential players would like to know that so they don't end up in the same situation.

If I had deposited at least one penny, would I have pulled it out?
To deceive is to lie and make you think it is true.
And you tricked me into hiding your $ 7,000 balance in your wallet, right?

Good answer: I am.

once again.
It does not correspond to the unauthorized use of the faucet you say.

Oh! Let's take a break for a sec and take a look at the Cambridge Dictionary! According to the Book, Fraud means the crime of getting money by deceiving people. And Scam is an illegal way of making money, usually by tricking people.

Did we made even a single penny by deceiving this player? Sure we didn't.

It's good question: who is the victim here?

Once again. There was a faucet abuse. Casino management decided to reject this payment in conformity with our TOS. This is the final decision, and it is not a subject to change.

1 & 2. Definition of faucet abuse is too general, each people has it own definition to explain about faucet abuse. As you didn't stated specific rules on the faucet abuse part, some of your marketing strategies and TOS implied "able to take profit/win from bonus (faucet and rain)".



3. Wrong, I'm not a manager of that's casino. Dog eat dog? So I should keep close my eyes and walk away when I saw someone doings wrong?

The feedback left by Jawhead999 doesn't mention the faucet, but your website doesn't say that you shouldn't play the bonus fund or that you're violating it if you don't make a deposit.
And on your website,
It also says, "Faucet is a kind of regular bonus that you can receive multiple times a day."
Is there any contradiction because I admit that I can receive it many times every day?
He will not reply if it becomes inconvenient.
Paradise.in, which has such a person, offers only the worst service.

We see your negative feedback on our account, however

1. We did not change this line on our website, it was there since several months ago.
2. In your feedback you don't mention faucet abuse and that the player have been playing bonus funds, not the ones he deposited.

3. We see your feedback as preconceived, as you are a manager of another crypto gambling website.
Dog eat dog kind of space here, innit?

The purpose of casino adding faucet on their casino is to test the game on his casino to prove legitimate fairness of the websites, but I don't see why they need to use top coin that has a value instead of worthless coin. They should aware if someone can hit high multiplier, even though the chance is only 2% it doesn't mean it will be impossible to hit. Also, this kind of "faucet abuse" is not a new thing on casino, we were already this kind problem in the past and it result become a drama.

Of course playing with faucet or free money on gambling is not risking anything, casino isn't a charity and they make money when people are loss. He's didn't risking any money to play, but he put a lot dedication and time to hit the high multiplier. He's lucky enough to win $7000 only with faucet. But in the end, you will faced this problem if you win big amount money with faucet.

AFAIK on this websites didn't even stated a rules of faucet abuse and withdrawal limit if the user play with faucet, after this accusations this casino updated his terms.




Updating Terms of Service and confiscated big winning funds from a player isn't show how good your responsibility to solve the case instead of setting up new rules and blaming the player. In my opinion you need to pay fully amount that the player has won since he didn't do anything wrong with multi account, cheating bonus with alt account etc. Or probably you don't have sufficient bankroll to pay?

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Tagged the account, if anything goes wrong I may revise my feedback.

Probably they should mention in their terms if they are going to deny such withdrawals, and OP here used to bet with the faucet money and got huge luck on his side that is why he made $7000 from zero which is not really abuse and even no site can deny such withdrawals or should never allow anyone to claim the faucets and bonus who never deposited any money into their account.

The faucet of Paradice.in is special, and even if there is one Satoshi in the BTC balance, the faucet cannot be used.
Of course, even if you have a balance of 1 Satoshi, you cannot use the faucets of other currencies such as ETH and DOGE.
When you make a deposit, you cannot actually use the faucet.
If you use Faucet, you must either not deposit or zero all your balances.
In that case, I think it's okay to eliminate the faucet itself.
It seems that there was a problem with the faucet in the past, but I just reduced the number I got.

In my oppinion playing daily faucets without ever making a deposit is a clear case of faucet abuse  ( I'm not associated in any way with paradice)  and I suppose it's up to the casino if they'd like to pay out the amount or not , but in general faucets and other freebies for sites are used to motivate regular depositing players  , and not freebie hunters.

To give an example ,  I'm a player on duckdice ,  and they've paid out a 100000$  faucet win to a regular player  and in the same time denying  some 50-100 $ withdrawals to some   faucet hunters who were there to only milk the freebies.

And you said you didn't make a deposit in the past, right?
There was no FAQ instruction on your website that you had to make a deposit.
He also refused to withdraw because he played with bonus money.
Where was such a rule?
How many excuses are you looking for why you can't withdraw?
Isn't that a strange story?
Paradice.in's rules do not prohibit withdrawal, but withdrawals refuse to withdraw at their own discretion and prejudice, so you make various excuses like this, right?

In a previous post on the main thread, he said, "Some of my friends are making money."
I'm not saying "I'm making money".
It's the first time I've earned from Faucet.
So I don't think it should be intentional or organized.
Besides, I said that 7,000 $ is out of the question, but I think the people involved have decided on their own.
It doesn't cheat, doesn't use bots or tools, and doesn't fall under faucet abuse.
Do you still have something?

Come on man, why are you twisting my words?

Again, the decision is based on our anti-abuse algorithms, and we stand by it.

We see this activity as faucet abuse, as the player had a system that he exploited to gain huge benefit.

He doesn't go empty handed as he withdrawn $200 with small transactions (as wee see it to bypass abuse detection) and hes behavior is same to faucet abusers that create multiple accounts to abuse the system. Now, it's easy to mask multi-account with various methods, so we can't tell if this is hes only account. Still, we stand by our decision and believe that allegations against us are illegitimate.

The account was blocked, as we detected the faucet abuse from said user. We remain right to decline our game services due to fact of bonus abuse without deposit.

I emphasize that you are not depositing,
It says you should deposit or balance with the bonus, right?

Besides, it would be a disadvantage, so I thought I would stop saying this ...
I don't understand English at all. You may be wondering how I'm talking about this, but I'm all using translations.
Do you think such a person can attack BOT or DDOS?
Isn't all such software in English?
And you should stop lying.

So is your excuse over?
At least you wrote in the main topic that you had a DDOS attack today on March 11th in forum time, right?
You say I made a DDOS attack and made money in the meantime, but can you stop telling lies and pretending to be true?
I started betting on the dice between March 8th and March 9th.
Also, the withdrawal application has been completed on the 9th.
The time of the forum is different from where I live, but even if it happened on March 11th and the time difference is taken into consideration, it does not happen on March 9th.
It's March 10th at the latest.
And you seem to have disabled my account, so I'm sure this dispute will never end.
What are you going to divert by saying the definition of fraud?
At that time, I divided the withdrawal into two parts only because I set the balance standard and exceeded it.
And you had a problem with faucets in the past, right?
Why didn't you abolish the faucet or set the withdrawal amount at that time?
"1CaX9mbPZkK26YRzK42kE34RHWPnU39Ni"
This is the wallet address of the Paradise you have deposited.
There may be others, but not many people are withdrawing a lot of money.
And you also send a fee to your address, right?
Isn't this a scam to others?

Our marketing manager was unaware of every rule in the great book of bitcointalk rules, so there might have been a misunderstanding.
We do have a big and supportive community, but only 1 in a 100 of them heard of bitcointalk. Our marketing manager believed that we can give  bonuses for reviews of our website

Regarding the situation nonetheless after analyzing the players statistics we define this players behavior as bonus abuse, and since our automatic system have stopped these withdrawals -- they are cancelled, as the player's account was banned from using game services.

It's really odd how we are being accused of fraud, when the person didn't give us any money, didn't risk anything, and was using systematic faucet abuse during DDOS attack to his advantage.
If we're going to play words -- definition of fraud means "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain." while we believe we're the ones getting decepted by a bonus abuse on part of this player. We didn't intentionally decepted this person into using our services. We don't try to scam this user into our financial gain. Some can call it cutting losses from systematic abuse of our bonus system by parties of well organized faucet collectors with well thought out strategies to claim bonuses and withdraw large amounts. This system was added to one of our updates a long time ago, so it wasn't a manual "switch" based on someone's personal decision. It went down like this: The system detected it based on it's algorithms (we suspect this player tried to bypass them by making 2 small transactions), then we started reviewing what happened, a  short after the player started pushing us with this forum to resolve it to his benefit as quickly as possible.

Although we always valued our reputation on this forum, so far we don't see likely that we will resolve it at the benefit of  said player.

I don't think someone who playing with faucet then turned it to 0.12 btc and even reached VIP rank just by betting with faucet can be considered as faucet abuse. If OP were playing with multiple accounts, claimed faucet simultaneously with their alt accounts on same IP, I would call that faucet abuse.

I don't want to derail this topic, but just to clarify this issue.
As @Jawhead999 reported here, your "promotional campaign" was to hire an army of newbie accounts to comment on your ANN topic and in turn offered bonuses on your site, which is a violation of the rules of this forum. So, if I were you, I wouldn't play the victim card here.