Topic: [Solved]Paradice.in fraud accusation - page 2. (Read 524 times)

I can't believe it either.
Prior to the revision, there were no withdrawal conditions or caps.
Of course, there was faucet abuse, but nothing else was related to withdrawing bonuses.

I didn't expect to get this much.

Reading the situation, I can say, the luck is on OP's side by winning that amount just by using faucets.
This is the importance of having a comprehensive ToS, including the use of faucets as well as withdrawal requirements.
Paradice has been here for long already and it is the first time to read such an accusation to them.
Hopefully, both parties will reach to a settlement here. But wondering also how the OP can gain such amount just by using the faucet?

I've said many times that I didn't use bots or tools.
First of all, I don't have such knowledge.

You said that, but I didn't expect it to be added to Paradise.in's wallet, so I said I didn't need $ 100 if I wasn't sure if I could withdraw it.

I did withdraw $ 100 twice.
At that time, there were no withdrawal conditions regarding bonuses (faucet), and there were no withdrawal restrictions if no deposit was made.

However, I had withdrawn about two weeks ago.
That was before I heard about $ 100.
I think there is no problem because the withdrawal restrictions have been set recently.
And in the FAQ on his website
"A faucet is a kind of regular bonus that you can receive multiple times a day. The amount of bonus you can receive from a faucet depends on your VIP rank. The basic amount of a faucet bonus is per 24 hours. It is 10.

To get the faucet according to the bonus page, select a coin and click "Get Bonus". The balance of this coin type must be zero.

Only one account and IP subnet can be used for the faucet. If you do not receive the bonus, it means that you have another Paradise account on your IP or subnet.

Attempts to abuse the faucet are subject to evaluation by the support team. "
This is written.

In this style, I thought I was being abused when trying to use Faucet with multiple accounts.

Also, there was no definition of abuse, so the administrator can make the decision on the fly.
For example, you can determine for yourself that you have used Faucet 10 times and abuse it.

See, the thing is we discussed with him (in our main topic) that we are willing to offer $100 bonus if he explains how he was betting to analyze the situation.
He filled his part of the deal by sending us a support ticket (although no useful information was presented in it), so that's where the number comes from.

@Cratoon, if you are completely certain that he abused your system and can prove it than you don't owe him anything. If he cheated why are you offering him a $100? Just lock his account.
If you can't prove he was cheating, you have to pay him in full or at least talk with him and try to reach a compromise.

Also, can you, please, explain what do you mean by this:

This person have systematically played faucet funds (our faucet is only 25 sats) during the DDOS attack of our servers

While it's unclear to me as account manager if it affected the LightSpeed bets of this person, which he placed a total of 1810488 bets (In each bet house deducts 1% house fee)

All we can offer to this person is a withdrawable $100 for information he provided in ticket as we previously agreed in main topic.

He already withdrawn $200 in 2 $100 transactions which we see as attempt to bypass our abuse detection system by making smaller withdrawals.


It's sad to see such an aggressive campaign of supporters of other gimbling websites against us, really makes us wonder if Bitcointalk became some sort of lobby for big projects. Even the staff member with competitor casino signature have stepped up to stop our promotional campaign.

Still though, we stand on a principle of not letting to stress us into giving free money either if it was a recent DDOS attackers demanding money, hackers threating to break website demanding cash, or a potential faucet abuser demanding unreasonable amount of money without risking anything.


In our understanding, Faucet Abuse is defined by a systematic use of bonuses to get a large advantage over the gambling house. This person have admitted in previous posts in our main thread that he uses other website faucets, hes friends do too, and judging from the faucet and bet logs he had a system. He used the full amount of faucets, pumped the VIP rank by making tens of millions of low risk bets, tried to split hes withdrawal in several smaller withdrawals to bypass our abuse detection system.

We believe that we are on the right side in that conflict, and we have bonus abuse.

"Any attempts of faucet abuse will be subject to an evaluation by the support team." is clearly written in our website documentation.

sorry.
I didn't know much because I hadn't filed a fraudulent charge here.
Thank you. That helps a lot.

Okay, it’s your statement. I have pmed the accused account to have a response here. If what you have said is true, you will either get the amount withdrawn or DT member will hopefully tag the account as scammer.
Let's see if he responds here or not.

Yes, I bet the BTC I got from the faucet and got 0.12 BTC.
At the time of applying for withdrawal, the deposit required for withdrawal was not written.
Now he says he abuses the faucet and tries not to pull it out for that reason.
Faucet abuse is mentioned, but the definition of abuse is unclear.
I think the abuse is getting a faucet with multiple accounts, a system malfunction, or fraud.
In my case, it is said to be 100 times in total and it is rejected.
Another person was told about 80 times.

How did you get the 0.12 BTC exactly? You collect faucet and then played with the faucet income and won 0.12 BTC? If that's the case, you have every right to claim your 0.12 BTC unless they have clearly mentioned somewhere that you need deposit to withdraw (I think it should not be a rule if gambling site offers faucet).
Can you please ask the accused user to reply here?

what's happened.
Scam on Paradice.in.
I have been betting on Faucet's BTC and have been denied withdrawal.
Withdrawal history imagehttps://imgur.com/a/gU5YC9n

Scammer profile linkhttps://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cratoon-1695987
Reference linkhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206291.460


I was playing on a website called Paradise.in.
I was playing with a faucet and got 0.12 BTC so I tried to withdraw.
A common question was that the transfer would be completed within up to 48 hours, so I waited for it, but the transfer didn't happen and I contacted live support.
Next, supporter Alex asked, "How did you get 0.12 BTC?" And to be honest, "I bet the faucet BTC on the dice."
After that, I didn't get a reply and couldn't support the live performance.
Therefore, I contacted support on a regular basis.
Then I got a reply,
"Hello because we were attracted you a lot. Since the money from your account in our misuse of the casino has not been detected, we have refused to your drawer. It is a good day! John."
I was told.
I don't remember misusing it, so I asked why I couldn't withdraw and how I could withdraw.
"No, I can't withdraw. I haven't made a deposit, so I haven't lost anything."
After that, I asked him why he did so, but he didn't reply.
So I asked him why he refused to withdraw because there was a Paradise.in forum.
Of course, the terms of use and frequently asked questions at that time did not mean that you could not withdraw money unless you deposited it anywhere, and there were no withdrawal restrictions.
It can't be helped if it was written, but it wasn't written.
Of course, I didn't say that I couldn't withdraw the bonus funds.
I was suspected of using a BOT.
There is no such fact.
Then he said that the abuse of the faucet was the next problem.
Then I asked if you could give me a definition of what the abuse of the faucet is.
Ignore it and this is the reply.
I think he's looking for some reason why he can't pull out.
What do you think, guys?
Isn't it the same as a scam to not try to withdraw for some reason?