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legendary
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June 11, 2014, 06:40:22 AM
#51
Some great info in this thread! While a short term correction is definitely possible, I firmly believe that later this year truckloads of VC and wall street money will come pouring into BTC and the price will be back in the 4 digits. When that happens, it won't really matter whether you got in at a $50-$100 per BTC discount  Grin

No matter how much it grows the one buying with discount will have about 10% more.

By they way - I think it will drop much more than that.
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June 11, 2014, 06:29:22 AM
#50
Some great info in this thread! While a short term correction is definitely possible, I firmly believe that later this year truckloads of VC and wall street money will come pouring into BTC and the price will be back in the 4 digits. When that happens, it won't really matter whether you got in at a $50-$100 per BTC discount  Grin
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June 11, 2014, 05:39:40 AM
#49
Eh. I'd cut Mat some slack. He had the right intuition all throughout the bear market, when a lot of bulls were still (or: again, and again) in denial. And despite what some people like to say, intuition is a big part of trading profitably.

My advice: develop some basic trading system that works for you, filter out everything that is not part of that system, and see if he can make it work better than his previous trading attempts.

What PERMA BEAR was right in a bear market ...wow

He was telling peopel to short at ~480 FFS

Still crapping on about sub 300 prices up until 550+

Yeah a broken clock is right twice a day ...good luck to him

Locking a loss from 660 ....is not a good move ..we may be in this 600-700 consolidation zone for the next 6 weeks... who cares the market says btc is XXX for now

Lets consolidate ....to say we are going back down 500..400 prices I dont see it... to just say it because we are having a pause and all the bears are no coming out with doom and gloom its a joke

You need just as much energy to go down as u do up  Tongue
sr. member
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June 11, 2014, 03:15:44 AM
#48
Hope no one here expects a comment to be taken serious that contains the word "HODL".mine included

Oh HODL, oh HODL, have I made a match for you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=59Hj7bp38f8#t=111
legendary
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June 11, 2014, 03:06:53 AM
#47
Hope no one here expects a comment to be taken serious that contains the word "HODL".mine included
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June 11, 2014, 12:53:33 AM
#46

The only way to win at this game is to have more information that the ones you're playing against. When you HODL, you win because you are playing against the large chunk of humanity who have not yet focused their attention on bitcoin. They're going to buy one day, and you and I know it, but they don't. We're not necessarily smarter than they are, we just got here first. When you play the short-term fluctuations, you are playing against people who have immersed themselves in all publicly available information on bitcoin, and may even be privy to information that the rest of us don't have. The odds are that you and I can't beat them!
great Point !
legendary
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June 10, 2014, 11:42:59 PM
#45
Bitfinex available USD swaps will rapidly increase so long as the rate is above 0.2%/day.  And quite possibly they'll rapidly increase with a 0.15%/day swap rate.  If high swap rates are maintained, I'd expect the USD available swap to increase by (a very rough guess) 5-20%/week.

Between Nov 1 and Dec 1, 2013 - the swaps doubled from $2.4 to $5 million.  And then they doubled again by Jan 1 (from 5 to 12.5 million).  And by February 1 it hit 18 million.

I think it'd take a swap rate of under 0.10% to cause a decline in total available swaps.

Bitfinex supply of swap has been increasing at a rate faster than the price of Bitcoin and this is bullish.
legendary
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June 10, 2014, 09:44:15 PM
#44

The only way to win at this game is to have more information that the ones you're playing against. When you HODL, you win because you are playing against the large chunk of humanity who have not yet focused their attention on bitcoin. They're going to buy one day, and you and I know it, but they don't. We're not necessarily smarter than they are, we just got here first. When you play the short-term fluctuations, you are playing against people who have immersed themselves in all publicly available information on bitcoin, and may even be privy to information that the rest of us don't have. The odds are that you and I can't beat them!

Fantastic point.


Agreed. Well put.
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June 10, 2014, 09:24:10 PM
#43
Hold the coins you own now, Mat; don't sell them.
Buy more if you like,  if you can do so knowing you won't have to liquidate in order to meet living expenses.
Chill. Smiley
legendary
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June 10, 2014, 08:10:00 PM
#42
Is a man's merit measured by the number of Bitcoins he has?
No but his wealth is. If you are here for some other reason then disregard.
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
June 10, 2014, 07:25:41 PM
#41
Yeah, that's great. But if what I'm reading lately is correct, that he has 13 coins and lost $5k trying to trade, that means that instead of having twice as many as me he instead has slightly more. How long until I'm ahead, being in denial all the way down and buying a bit every month?

Is a man's merit measured by the number of Bitcoins he has?


Agreed! Many people here and more so in the future, will never own a full Bitcoin.
Besides, 10% is 10% whether it's of 1,000,000 BTC or .01 BTC. The gross profit will be smaller, but you still gain 10% on what you were willing to invest. You don't have to be a whale for trading to make sense.
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June 10, 2014, 06:06:42 PM
#40
Yeah, that's great. But if what I'm reading lately is correct, that he has 13 coins and lost $5k trying to trade, that means that instead of having twice as many as me he instead has slightly more. How long until I'm ahead, being in denial all the way down and buying a bit every month?

Is a man's merit measured by the number of Bitcoins he has?

I have had various amounts of capital in and out of the exchanges. Been practically 'all in' at some points aside from what I have in precious metals. I remember sitting on around 26 BTC that were bought in $1000 range and having decided that I was gonna sell these ones for a small loss. I was told that I would be crying when I bought back in at $1300. I am glad I never listened to piramida. You would have no doubt told me the same thing. So it isn't like I have whittled away my stack and I only have 13.5 BTC remaining. I have been taking money out and spending it to live of, and also just blowing it, especially at the start when thousands were coming in that seemed like money for nothing......when I discovered leveraged trading, is when things started to go not so well and I started finding out the things about my personality that make me a lousy trader. I have therefore resolved not to use leverage and also not to short which is counter intuitive......hard to get accustomed to feeling baddd about the market actually being a good thing.
legendary
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June 10, 2014, 05:30:41 PM
#39

The only way to win at this game is to have more information that the ones you're playing against. When you HODL, you win because you are playing against the large chunk of humanity who have not yet focused their attention on bitcoin. They're going to buy one day, and you and I know it, but they don't. We're not necessarily smarter than they are, we just got here first. When you play the short-term fluctuations, you are playing against people who have immersed themselves in all publicly available information on bitcoin, and may even be privy to information that the rest of us don't have. The odds are that you and I can't beat them!

Fantastic point.
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June 10, 2014, 05:24:13 PM
#38
You have made my point perfectly. Your trade was based on the logic: if the price goes up [above the resistance line] then it will go up some more. In this particular instance you were right, but I am sure there are similar examples where you lost on the trade.

Yeah....if you just go drawing lines on any old bunch of spikes or dips then go saying if X happens then do this, but if Y happens then do that, you will likely be wrong a hell of a lot. But this one was looking at the bigger picture using support trendline that dated as far back as Jan 2013 and a resistance that went back to January and I still admit that I was wrong in that I thought the market would go down a bit more, but never placed any bets until the confirmation of market intent was made. Sure, the market still could have double backed on me, but by correctly identifying these patterns and potential turning points, the trader is greatly increasing his chances of making a good trade.

Yes, you are looking at the bigger picture. And of course, looking at the bigger picture is a good thing. But you're still just making my point. All you have done in the above paragraph is to flesh out the [insert fancy TA terminology] just a little bit. And I'm sure you could flesh it out some more. But it still boils down to:
"[Lots of TA analysis of the bigger picture, and the smaller picture, and the in between picture, coupled with my intuition], oh look, the market just went up! Given my aforementioned analysis, I am going to buy now."

Eh. I'd cut Mat some slack. He had the right intuition all throughout the bear market,

I won't deny that.

when a lot of bulls were still (or: again, and again) in denial.

I'm not so sure that bulls / HODLers are in denial. It's just that they are much more focused on the long term trajectory (years) than on the medium or short term trajectories (months, days). In fact, most bulls are already predicting the NEXT crash, after the impending bubble.
legendary
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June 10, 2014, 04:59:09 PM
#37
Eh. I'd cut Mat some slack. He had the right intuition all throughout the bear market, when a lot of bulls were still (or: again, and again) in denial. And despite what some people like to say, intuition is a big part of trading profitably.

My advice: develop some basic trading system that works for you, filter out everything that is not part of that system, and see if he can make it work better than his previous trading attempts.
Yeah, that's great. But if what I'm reading lately is correct, that he has 13 coins and lost $5k trying to trade, that means that instead of having twice as many as me he instead has slightly more. How long until I'm ahead, being in denial all the way down and buying a bit every month?
legendary
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June 10, 2014, 04:56:00 PM
#36
Eh. I'd cut Mat some slack. He had the right intuition all throughout the bear market, when a lot of bulls were still (or: again, and again) in denial. And despite what some people like to say, intuition is a big part of trading profitably.

My advice: develop some basic trading system that works for you, filter out everything that is not part of that system, and see if he can make it work better than his previous trading attempts.
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June 10, 2014, 04:54:10 PM
#35
You have made my point perfectly. Your trade was based on the logic: if the price goes up [above the resistance line] then it will go up some more. In this particular instance you were right, but I am sure there are similar examples where you lost on the trade.

Yeah....if you just go drawing lines on any old bunch of spikes or dips then go saying if X happens then do this, but if Y happens then do that, you will likely be wrong a hell of a lot. But this one was looking at the bigger picture using support trendline that dated as far back as Jan 2013 and a resistance that went back to January and I still admit that I was wrong in that I thought the market would go down a bit more, but never placed any bets until the confirmation of market intent was made. Sure, the market still could have double backed on me, but by correctly identifying these patterns and potential turning points, the trader is greatly increasing his chances of making a good trade.
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June 10, 2014, 04:47:57 PM
#34
Yes. This is a hugely important, difficult battle! Requires discipline. Discipline is what I rarely see in those who post about TA. Their predictions are imprecise and posed in a manner such that whatever happens, they can say "yeah I predicted that." Very often, a long winded post will boil down to this:

"If the price drops, then [insert fancy TA terminology] and it will drop some more. But if the price goes up, then [insert some more fancy TA terminology] it will go up some more." The result is that the person ends up chasing the market: all too often, buying AFTER the rise, selling AFTER the fall.

Solution: make your predictions specific, unambiguous. The more you discipline yourself along these lines, the better.

Dunno about that.

I posted on here some TA, which also happened to be the TA that I was adhering to at the time. I also stated that I favoured a bearish outcome in that the price would break beneath the support other than above the resistance. Either way I had IF [insert fancy TA terminology] Then [insert fancy TA terminology] for both possible outcome. In the end, the market broke the long term resistance on strong volume after a low volume fake out of the support line. Despite thinking that the market would go further down, I knew that I had to jump in on the retest and got in at $460. As sweetly timed as I ever have timed Bitcoin......pity my profit taking and correction catching efforts never went so well.

You have made my point perfectly. Your trade was based on the logic: if the price goes up [above the resistance line] then it will go up some more. In this particular instance you were right, but I am sure there are similar examples where you lost on the trade.
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June 10, 2014, 04:33:02 PM
#33
Yes. This is a hugely important, difficult battle! Requires discipline. Discipline is what I rarely see in those who post about TA. Their predictions are imprecise and posed in a manner such that whatever happens, they can say "yeah I predicted that." Very often, a long winded post will boil down to this:

"If the price drops, then [insert fancy TA terminology] and it will drop some more. But if the price goes up, then [insert some more fancy TA terminology] it will go up some more." The result is that the person ends up chasing the market: all too often, buying AFTER the rise, selling AFTER the fall.

Solution: make your predictions specific, unambiguous. The more you discipline yourself along these lines, the better.

Dunno about that.

I posted on here some TA, which also happened to be the TA that I was adhering to at the time. I also stated that I favoured a bearish outcome in that the price would break beneath the support other than above the resistance. Either way I had IF [insert fancy TA terminology] Then [insert fancy TA terminology] for both possible outcome. In the end, the market broke the long term resistance on strong volume after a low volume fake out of the support line. Despite thinking that the market would go further down, I knew that I had to jump in on the retest and got in at $460. As sweetly timed as I ever have timed Bitcoin......pity my profit taking and correction catching efforts never went so well.
legendary
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Borsche
June 10, 2014, 04:31:52 PM
#32
Don't spend more bitcoins than you are willing to lose.

Yes that should be my advice from now on Smiley Instead of "don't risk fiat which you are not prepared to lose", smarter advice would be "don't risk not owning bitcoins which you can own today".
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