Topic: Someone at FIFA/UEFA should do something about the referees (Read 279 times)

Well, I discovered these types of things that have happened a long time ago, and what the main referees do is that if they show that the decision is safe on their part, they do not review the VAR, so we continue on the same path of corruption, this is something that has always existed and it is pitiful, in the matches of all the leagues I have seen this type of injustice, so it is difficult, because internally FIFA also has its own business and everyone wants to win, so these instances it is difficult to fight against one of what I consider the biggest mafias in the world, FIFA is one of the entities that do the most damage to sport for this type of behavior.

You don't have to blame  your loss on the referee bud, just blame it on fate, you and I know that the referee is not aware of your bet, and I doubt if he's aware of anyone's bet, all he is about is a game that is fair for both teams playing, he can't because of your bet not cancel a  goal that the VAR has proven to be offside.

I understand how it hurts, but don't be so self centered, most especially in matter as this, also think about those who were going to lose the bet if the referee had kept quiet, do you think their loss would have been a fair loss, considering the goal you are talking about was confirmed to be an offside by a VAR.?

For a long time now I have seen the offside rule as a bigger problem in soccer than as something useful.
You said about the attacker being face to face with the goalkeeper, but it is the duty of the defender of the other team to stay close to this attacker and avoid this type of situation. To my way of thinking it makes no sense to punish the attacker for being in a better position than the other team's defender

The end of this rule would cause two effects that could help soccer a lot:
1 - more goals per match, making soccer even more cool to watch
2 - fewer problems, doubts and fights over offsides, especially like the one the OP commented on, which must have been only a few centimeters offside

Some years ago I played a lot of soccer and in those "amateur" matches we never used any form of offside, the match tended to run normally and with less stops
A curiosity, the most difficult thing to explain about soccer to those who don't understand it is the offside rule, and every time they ask me and I explain, the next question is: but why? 

It's just my opinion, but I understand yours and I respect that 


Although the referee's salaries are higher than mine, I don't think it's too high, since as you said yourself, only a few get to referee in the major leagues, and it's a ungrateful profession.
Many referees in the minor leagues are threatened and offended, and for any referee there is always the risk of making some mistake or big mistakes in important matches and losing his career.

It is amusing you mention that a referee career depends on their choices because here in Latin America we have a legend of a very infamous referee which probably became the most hated one in the world, despite his horrible work as a referee he continued participating in more matches and each one more important than the previous one.So his career was not affected, not until the end.

He got fired and eventually turned to drug trafficking to the United States. You should take a look at that case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byron_Moreno


Artificial intelligence could free us from future referees like that one.

Humans have programmed the AI machines based on the requirement. It is common to see errors happening through technology as well as through human. To the changing surroundings we're also making changes or getting adopted to it. Initially VAR looked different and now majority accept and find it good. Old way of referring is good, and people accepted it as they had no technology advancement. Now everything is available and sure people expect things to be precise and perfect through technology. In ATP (tennis) it is planned for removal of human referees and go full on technology. Such decisions too is wrong in my view.

It's not easy to find the referees on UEFA games, many believe that the referee will have the job to go to the first team or that they are there to score and if the winner will win then the referee is the only referee with the power to stop this.

I was not pleased with the introduction of VAR because I felt it will mechanize the game of football and make it look like a computerized game. Seeing players celebrating and all of a sudden it is cut short by a call for VAR check. The players have to wait anxiously for the result to continue the celebration. In my own opinion, it makes the game looks boring. But people argued that it will reduce errors and make the game flawless. But from the look of things, it is clear that it still causing more controversies. It will be better if we go back to the old human refereeing system instead of wasting money on machines that is still subject to human errors.

These AI machines are also programmed by humans and can be subject to hacks or system errors. It will be good for FIFA or UEFA to combine the use of human and artificial intelligence to match officiating or scrap VAR entirely just as suggested earlier.

In my opinion UEFA/FIFA are just as corrupt as the referees.  Just look what happened with the opening match of the Soccer World cup... (bribes)... was any of that investigated ... or did they ignore that and just continue with the game. 

What was FIFA biggest scandal?
The 2015 centre on the alleged use of bribery, fraud and money laundering to corrupt the issuing of media and marketing rights for FIFA games in the Americas, estimated at $150 million, including at least $110 million in bribes related to the Copa América Centenario to be hosted in 2016 in the United States. Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_corruption_case

Dang, those are nice figures. It makes me want to change my ambition now. Now all I want is to become a referee but of course that is only a joke because number one is I don't have a passion in it and number two is, referee on lower leagues are still being paid low and it takes time for a referee to be promoted and work on higher leagues.

OP,
Sorry for your loss. It is seems that the referee knows that you are betting and they are making you lose intentionally and maybe if you don't place your bets, the game will just run fine without the referee interrupting the game. Let's just hope that someone from the inside can notice this concern of yours and fix this issue with the referees.

If a referee blatantly steals the game it will have a negative consequence for him, without any doubts. On this case, it's obvious one team showed superior gameplay than the other, so the referee had to adopt an abusive arbitration to fulfill his shady goal. Therefore, it will have a consequence for the referee and he will be punished accordingly. It's hard to see this kind of situation for real, but if it happened, I believe the prejudiced team would have a new chance to play again, or its victory assured.

On the other hand, if he takes advantage of slight details to favour one team or another, it's likely it will pass unnoticed or it will be even understood by the league's authorities. At same time, it means both teams playing had similar performances, which were exploited by the bribed referee to take the team he wished to the victory.

I'll tell you more: this happens not only in sports, but in general everywhere. To make mistakes is human. As for responsibility, I agree with this, there are actions and there are their consequences. But what would you like to change in the current system? As far as I know those judges who often make mistakes get their rating downgraded and they are given to referee less important games (and may end up with a complete suspension if they do not stop making gross mistakes).

That is relative though,no matter how good the team and superior in performance it maybe it cannot win against even the weakest opponent as long as they have a really nasty referee to judge the game.I am repeating that saying of a local league here where I live,the coach which had the game of his life,he needed the win against last place to become Champion and they lost it while playing at home,he said explicitly "with a referee like this one even Brazil cannot win,let alone us" and as such the referees need to be sanctioned just like they sanction the players,FIFA/UEFA should really do something about them,they are destroying football every day more.

According to everything we have seen, Qatar won the hosting of the world championship only because they distributed money to everyone who decided on it, and did not ask for the price - the same as Russia did before them. Of course, you can't prove regardless of all the dubious decisions and the non-use of VAR in the same, although this is perhaps the best proof that even with such technology, the game can be directed in the direction that was previously agreed upon.



Big clubs, a lot of money and a lot of influence on everything that can be influenced, and the fact that they did it for 17 years without anyone from the Spanish authorities doing anything shows the level of corruption even in top football. However, Barcelona is too powerful for something serious to happen to it, and the man at the head of UEFA is certainly not the one who will clean the house of European football.

I researched a little more and I believe that the values are very close, in other sites the values change a little more or less, but the average is the same.
The argentinian matches were "curious" in the last world cup, I also agree with you but this is almost impossible to prove, I find it very difficult to know who is honest and serious in FIFA after they discovered all those scandals

I don't know if you are following, but there is probably a big scandal happening about the Spanish championship involving Barcelona, it is worth reading and get even more angry:


Source and link to the news: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/04/football/uefa-president-aleksander-ceferin-barcelona-scandal-spt-intl/index.html

There have been many cases of unfair or doubtful decisions by referees along the years in important games, including the World Cup. One of the most memorable one is the 2002's World Cup which is said to have favoured the host asian teams, Japan and South Korea. There was also the Cup where Maradona scored a goal with his hand (la mano de Dios), and the referee was fine with that.

That is not something which is going to disappear from soccer. Therefore, like in Cobra Kai series on an episode where the competition's referee was bribed by the Cobra Kai dojo, Daniel San told his dojo's fighters they should fight much better than the rivals, in a way it would be impossible for the referee to take the victory from them.

The same applies to soccer. The team can't rely on the referee to win. They must show much superior performance to not allow this kind of trickery to get the victory from their hands.

The referee is the sole official to start and stop play during the match and take disciplinary action against the players. The referee has the power to advise any situation during the game if the ball goes over the line or in the playbook or if there is a violation of the rules. The remuneration of referees for their services depends on the league but FIFA/UEFA referees are selected based on their rank, progression and training methods and on their integrity. If not honest and fair there are many referees who sell to money and break the rules.

Referees' poor calls might escalate things. Remember that they're trying their best. Making split-second decisions demands intellect and chutzpah when in authority. This reminds me of "it's the journey, not the destination." Isn't cheering for our teams more important than the game's outcome? Let's look at the big picture. How we handle life's challenges determines our legacy.

In fact, using VAR and an honest referee can prevent cheating, but it will come back to the referee and the officer overseeing the VAR. And it seems that the referee who oversees the game has violated the rules. UEFA might do something like penalize the referee for being out of office for a period of time but will that prevent the same from other referees? I don't think so because this requires honesty from each referee and VAR officer to be able to give a fair and honest match to the audience.

With this post you reminded me of that referee in 2002 from a South American country which made sure South Korea beat Italy 3-0 thanks to him in that distant World Cup of 2002 which was being held in Japan and S.Korea but FIFA soon after decided to ban him after all activities of football including being a referee in his home country after seeing those horrendous mistakes which many thought were intentional as he was bought by S.Korea and this type of action should be still implemented in referees making clamorous mistakes and for me this should start from Spain as there the referees are making massacre after massacre in making bad calls.

I'm not saying this is bad, but this will make the decision is unbiased because the decision is come from the same system, not like human where each of them has their own opinion.

Any player need to careful enough because there's no mercy when the ball touch your hand, it will benefited for the opponent team because they will either get free kick or penalty. There's always a player will find a loophole and AI has no way to determine it since they're programmed and no way to determine case by case basis.