Topic: Someone BUYING older accounts here for mass propaganda.... (Read 6305 times)

Wrong. It is NOT commonly known, especially among noobs. I didn't know about it until a month ago or so, and then I couldn't believe that it was actively being endorsed by the mods.



? Do you understand that people trade based on the rep of the username alone all the time? Regardless of your feelings on the subject, people do this every day all the time. If Satoshi came on here and said something I sure as hell would give it a lot more weight than when you say something. Even if I disagreed with what he was saying.



But this is obfuscated by the fact that most people don't know that they are reading the words of a bought account. There is no honesty or redeemable qualities in your arguments, you're simply trying to defend borderline evil behavior for your own selfish financial reasons.

No, you're right, its fascinating. Like reading a crime thriller. Some of the scams that people come up with are pretty novel and entertaining to watch go down from the sidelines.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcointalk-staff-quietly-bans-people-speaking/

I'm not so sure this is completely accurate though. Because if it was, I wouldn't be able to write this message.

Please, please don't ban me. I promise to be nicer when talking to the mods, starting now.

Bolded - I also want to know!

I think banning all sig campaigns would be a good idea. I have an ad in my sig because I spend a lot of time in this forum plus I am an investor in the company that advertises in my sig and I support them. I can use the money but I dont need it, and as for quality of posts, in my case, I dont really know if that has changed much. I am very engaged in some conversations, some I just feel a need to chime in on, sometimes I want to make a little joke. Nothing that is going to change the world, but I get a lot of good use out of this forum, have solved more than a few issues thanks to my fellow helpful members and do my best to be respectful and polite (which considering the behavior of some of the trolls in here is quite a feat sometimes)

Still I can appreciate what sig campaigns have done to the general atmosphere here.

If the sig campaigns were removed it would strike a serious blow at who ever it is that is buying accounts. I understand that they have ulterior motives for aquiring these accounts and want them for manipulation purposes, but they have an easy time because their expenses are compensated with these sig campaigns. Fine by me if it all gets curtailed.

Also, the manipulation I speak of, especially in the securities section, I believe there are laws regarding this type of behavior, arent there? I've heard of people using sock puppet accounts to manipulate stock prices online, and that is in the traditional stock market. You can be sent to jail for such things. What I'm saying is- bitcointalk admins could be culpable if there is legal action, so I would crack down hard on that kind of stuff, not sure how, but "turning off their water and heat" i.e. removing their sig income, would definitely be a start.

I just discovered this "Meta" section of the forum looking to complain about a paid trolling ad I saw in the services section, and I've spent all day here. Funnily enough, this section is a lot more interesting than much of the rest of the forum. To me at least. I guess its time for me to go outside and play...

Why would you assume that? It is commonly known that people buy and sell accounts. It is illogical to assume this. 
Incorrect. See my above response. Regardless of if this is true or not, it is very immature to give something more weight just because a certain person said it; you should listen to specific arguments and facts not who is making the statement.
In order to impersonate an identity, you would need to not own that identity in the first place. When you use the term impersonate you are implying that the identity does not belong to the poster, but in fact it does.

I have seen a lot of people advocating for PoS to replace PoW (I suspect to attempt to pump PoS scamcoins - all altcoins are scamcoins IMO). It is possible that these are purchased accounts, however it would not be any different if people were posting from newbie accounts as either way their argument is flawed.

You are not pretending to be a specific identity. When you post on here you are posting from a username (under certain circumstances this can even be changed). When you make a post, you do not represent that you are any specific person.

Also when you sell your account, you would also be selling any kind of "identity" associated with such account and this should be obvious to anyone selling such account.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/quickseller-358020

Monitoring is underway.

I'm collecting two lists, one of account sellers and the other of account buyers. I will be sure to post this information, links and dates so everybody can see who to avoid from now on.

Maybe, but you need to include people from all countries, backgrounds, religions, political persuasions, etc. After taking all that into account and extracting a common denominator I bet that you'd have a pretty sparse definition of what "good" is.

This is your point of view.

Whether traded accounts are used for good or bad is down to your own personal opinion of what 'good' and 'bad' is. The overwhelming percentage of accounts sold are done so almost exclusively for signature campaigns and not used for nefarious purposes. Do you think that is a bad thing? I don't. Merely buying an account does not equals impersonation. Most are likely just honest or at least neutral people trying to make a bit of coin the easiest way they can. It may not be a crime but it may also not be dishonest either. Frowned upon, maybe, but not necessarily dishonest unless the person in control of the account does dishonest things with it. Can purchased/sold accounts be used deceptively and to scam? Of course, but so can accounts you can freely create yourself. Most people are not going to waste money trying to buy an account when they're likely to fail or get busted before you can successfully scam and then that account is ruined and worthless. 

I think the main rationale and reasoning for allowing accounts to be sold is because allowing them lets others know that the practice can and does go on and banning them may give people a false sense of security, not to mention banning their sale will not stop the behaviour from happening and only push it further underground and into obscurity. 

This forum also doesn't moderate or ban scammers, but that doesn't mean we allow or encourage them nor do we profit from it in any way from it.

Okay, I do apologize for my tone and ignorance to previous information posted on the subject. I just am curious as to what is a case scenario where a bought account could be used for good?

Somebody invented a charitycoin and they want to lively up the campaign? Even still, this is a form of impersonation. Just because its not a crime doesn't mean its not dishonest.

And just because Satoshi was smart enough to see that bitcoin would bring criminals doesn't mean the forum shouldn't try to dissuade them. As a matter of fact, I am certain they do take certain measures to accomplish this, only perhaps not when it comes to this area.

Can you please humor me and tell me why buying and selling accounts is allowed? The reasoning wasn't stated in this thread, other than because they can't stop it. Thank you.

How are we 'greedy beyond belief'? How do we benefit or profit from it exactly? I don't think you're capable of looking at this from any other perspective and are blinded by your own bias here. It's been stated multiple times why it's allowed. And I think if you read satoshi's writings you will see he was smart enough to know it was inevitable that criminals would take advantage of bitcoin. Maybe you should join or start a forum that policies and censors anything you don't like with an iron fist if you're so against the way this one is run and if you think you know what's best.

Fixed. I've still yet to see any proof of accounts being sold to be used for 'mass propganda'.

Hi cryptohunter! 

And how exactly you prohibit people from doing so? You can't do nothing about it. If you ban account trading here people just move somewhere else to post account trading information.

i like freedom here and it should stay like it is

At least we have a trust system, as well as other means of verifying someone's reputation (ie #bitcoin-otc, localbitcoins reputation).

It's not perfect, but it does work most of the time.

Yup, exactly.
The account could be hacked and the hacker decide to sell the account.
The account seller could have malicious intent and claim the account hacked after selling it while it isn't.
The account may be very close to getting banned for breaking rules.

I was unaware until very recently (last 24hrs) that the site allowed (if not supported) purchasing accounts.  I guess with anything else, buyer beware for what you're getting yourself in to.

That said, I find it surprising that so many unscrupulous people would exist on this site - just goes to show you there is no end to scammers pushing the fraud, fud, and anything else on you.