Topic: Something Fishy about Steemit and Steem? - page 2. (Read 6184 times)

I would say "iamnotback's confusion might be an 'English as a second language thing', I understand the mistake, easy mistake to make. I've seen people with English as their first language make that same mistake, cut him a break", but then he'd call me a "whiny snotty ass brown nose commie Marxist" again. lolz.  

I have iamnotback on ignore because of his frequent livid outbursts like this. I only see his stuff when someone quotes him.

I generally don't like to use the word Voluntaryism on myself for this exact reason. I only did here because someone used it on themself first, and I didn't want to get into a discussion of semantics. But since we're exactly where I didn't want to end up, here is the difference for those who don't get out much:

Volunteerism = things like building houses for the homeless, usually with government tax stolen money involved.... i.e. often socialist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteering

Voluntaryism = more or less commonly interchangeable with anarcho-capitalism or hardcore libertarianism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism


Most volunteerists I've met want to ban guns and heavily regulate cryptocurrencies.

Most voluntaryists I know carry guns and use cryptocurrencies to buy much of what they consume.


I am a voluntaryist. I was saying I think smooth is too. But I don't want to speak for him, he can chime in here and put a label on himself if he wants. lol.

FYI, Voluntaryism doesn't have to be commie, as long as it doesn't involve the government. Check out Bitcoin Not Bombs, a voluntaryist-run volunteerism organization. The guys who run it are friends of mine, and they'd rather drink paint than take money from the government.
http://www.bitcoinnotbombs.com/

I think anyone who would bash voluntaryist volunteerism is likely a sociopath.

One of the Bitcoin Not Bombs guys, Davi, is the guy who famously got hassled by the government at the airport for "having Bitcoin in his bag." lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsLwPCRv49Y

well of course it is a fishy currency, it sounds a little bit too good to be true right now though i also might be wrong about it, i dont know what to think

Because I didn't.



Unbelievable how you managed to link these brainfarts to what I said.



You are not criticizing, you are spewing incoherent hatred to people on an internet forum because of some interpretation you manufactured in your mind.

Tell you what, at this point I couldn't care less about who you respect.

How can you claim to uphold respect for voluntary human action while you demand that others behave a certain way and judge them according to your petty political correctness.

You expect others to behave altruistically or honestly or whatever all the while applying your subjective judgement of their performance, which is just volunteerism and communism. You are demanding they volunteer and submit to your subjective ideals and petty judgments.

Yeah I am criticizing you because that is what you are doing to others.

Mind your own fucking butthole. Rimbit coin can help you find it.

I'll respect you both more when you stop complaining about other individuals and produce something yourselves. If all you can do is hangoff the coattails of those who you claim are losers, then what does that make you. Hopefully there is a mirror in your bathroom.

thats true there are many unanswered questions with steem though i actually expect for it to be a legit crypto as it allows people to make money for their work

Where do you live then? Somewhere nice?

It is very fishy from pump day 1. How can steem be limited if those writers get rewards, and repeat? I mean if unlimited writers can make unlimted rewards, and the steem's total supply is limited? Illogical scheme.

Volunteerism != Voluntaryism

You are very fond of throwing insults around, but you don't even seem to understand what the adults are talking about.

Volunteerism is for communists. It is just another form of delusional (wolf in idealistskin) meddling political correctness whiny bullshit.

Work hard in a meritocracy and keep your fucking (whiny snotty ass) brown noses out of my asshole.

I am all for working for the good, and making a profit in a meritocracy while doing so. You Marxists in sheepskin are always returning for more megadeath feelgood.

Oh please don`t get me wrong! I so totally agree with you. That`s actually why I love Steemit so much, because it incentivizes just that.  Please don`t forget: coding noob here. Enduser who happens to be in crypto for a while. I just love the pure experience on the site and the psychological and pedagogical dynamics. To me it is my Spaceship Liberty cockpit and THE voluntarist trojan horse we will sneak into every household. I`m so hooked I`d come back again if this crashes and burns, for a new try, if Dan and Ned treat the disaster openly like Gentlemen.

But I disgrees.

The point is, the thread is about Steemit, neither Jeff Berwick, nor that Chile thing. I did a quick check and talked to a few people in Acapulco close to the matter, and I simply could not find enough fishiness to be worried. And it as nothing to do with Steemit.

You know "in dubio pro reo" right?

But please keep diggin, I don`t mind, on the contrary. I would just shift my focus away from Jeff a little. He truly is new to Steemit and has nothing to do with it and if you dont like him ignore him or buy so much SteemPower and hit him with the BanHammer like Bernie Sanders did.
I`m sorry, but I find that so much more entertaining and refreshing than anything else:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@dollarvigilante/steemit-is-a-scam-how-bernie-sanders-screwed-me


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I give you an example of what I mean, please bear with me and I promise you it will be worth your time:

http://suspiciousdeaths.blogspot.de/2011/11/bob-marley-everything-happens-for.html

So did that german nazi guy kill Bob Marley or not? What do you think?

Tearing down the shitty "heroes" is required. In the same way that removing termite-riddled wood in a house is required.

No heroes is better than bad heroes.

Heroes are gods. Amazing how many atheists need a liberty hero.

And if someone DOES need a hero, Ben Stone the Bad Quaker has everything required. Have you even heard his podcasts? Have you read his new book?

In punk rock back in the day, heroes were ripped apart. Figuratively.

Hell, Jello Biafra was literally beat up at Gilman Street. Fuckers put him in the hospital.

The NAP, in most voluntaryist's life, is a theory. Something to argue about on Facebook. Or Steem.

Liberty can only work if the majority of people call out scammers on their bullshit to the point that the scammers disappear from liberty and go back to the day jobs they had before they became horribly flawed liberty "heroes."

People who say "I don't care about Galt's Gulch" make this shit not work.

If voluntaryists spent 1/10th the time they spend arguing about the nuances of the NAP and instead spent it verbally bashing people like Jeff and Stefan, the State could end a lot sooner.

Yes I agree with that. I believe the majority of people is good-hearted, but they allow their morals to be easily manipulated to go against the NAP. By their peers, by sociopaths, by some ideology, for the greater good, for the children, etc.

Liberty can only work if the majority of people have an incorruptible moral compass and will act upon it to protect the NAP.

Liberty is solid. But also attracts sociopaths. Because sociopaths have the same contempt for authority that good-hearted liberty people do. So sociopaths find liberty and go "I'm home! Finally!"

And some good-hearted people are easily fooled by sociopaths, because sociopaths are often interesting and charismatic.

My friend Steve adds: "And a good number of those sociopaths will look upon a community that won't call the cops as an opportunity to scam with  impunity."

MWD

I think liberty can only work if the majority of people have a moral compass and will act if the NAP is infringed upon. I think it is no secret that this has never in history been the case and is currently at an all-time low around the world.

Between people thinking Berwick is a financial genius,
and people thinking Molyneux is still an anarchist
and people thinking Cantwell is a decent guy with some interesting ideas on race,
and people thinking a few other people are "great men",
I sometimes think liberty is doomed.

MWD

This^

+100

That is what I meant when I said he gets more fans every day than he loses due to his history.

I normally wouldn't give a fuck if you don't give a fuck about someones track record.

But if you say you are a hardcore voluntaryist, which I consider myself to be as well, I must wonder, how you feel that a voluntary society could work if people refuse to ostracize bad actors, or the very least call them out for their moral obligation to make whole those whom they have hurt with their actions (which he publicly admitted).

Possibly true. Though life can be pretty cheap in what Jeff claims is the Libertarian Paradise of Mexico. And if you appear rich there you only have state protection if you pay extra in the form of bribes.

Berwick has very publicly threatened to send his "private armies of hackers and assassins" after people who piss him off. lol.

Not sure how he'd pay these armies since when I asked him for the 200 bucks he owes me he said he was "almost broke."

Ironically Berwick the anarchist might thank his freedom or even his live on the protection by the state.
(Not many people want to risk going to jail for getting justice)

Karpeles for sure, though I don't suppose he is an anarchist.