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Quote from: angaper on August 22, 2016, 03:31:50 PM

Actually our world has been in a recurrent, permanent crisis for long, so it not surprising to keep a pessimistic outlook of markets these days and that is why shorting is the most frequent position in markets for old traders looking for sure bets.

As I said, we don't know his real portfolio structure to make any definitive conclusion, but we can safely assume that every short position Soros holds is balanced (hedged) by a long position in something else. That's likely the only way money can be made consistently in the long run. And Soros is not a prophet, he lost badly (~$2B) in Russian markets in 1998...

He wanted to play the same games as with the sterling, but got fooled himself at the end of the day

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Actually our world has been in a recurrent, permanent crisis for long, so it not surprising to keep a pessimistic outlook of markets these days and that is why shorting is the most frequent position in markets for old traders looking for sure bets.

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Quote from: oblivi on August 22, 2016, 01:30:21 PM

Quote from: sbtctalk on August 21, 2016, 10:25:39 AM

How does it relates to bitcoin? I don't see the link yet.

Bitcoin, just like gold, is one of the few assets you can own yourself, it does not depend on someone else holding it for you. In times of doubt, those assets are the best, this is why old money tends to go to gold, and new money goes to bitcoin.

I see what you mean, but you still get it wrong. Bitcoin is not like gold in the sense you mean it. Speaking generally, it is just like fiat in the sense that it has no value of its own (besides that of being money, which it is not, just in case). But please don't tell me that Bitcoin is not fiat since it is not emitted by the state - that's not my point. You can just as well own paper banknotes, but their value is still beyond your control. The value of gold is also beyond your control, but it is fundamentally beyond anyone else's control...

This is what you meant to say, and only gold fits here flawlessly

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Quote from: sbtctalk on August 21, 2016, 10:25:39 AM

How does it relates to bitcoin? I don't see the link yet.

Bitcoin, just like gold, is one of the few assets you can own yourself, it does not depend on someone else holding it for you. In times of doubt, those assets are the best, this is why old money tends to go to gold, and new money goes to bitcoin.

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Although clearly not a sympathetic person, Soros is a successful investor. I share his bearish market assessment, since the central banks interventionist policy is clearly failing in front of our eyes. The newly printed money has created huge bubbles at the bond and stock markets that have no fundamental underpinning. The stock market is already loosing momentum, as investors are loosing faith. It's only a question of months until we will see a major correction.

Of course, Soros is using his media connections to widely communicate his assessment in order to induce psychological effects in the desired direction. In a strict sense, you could even call this market manipulation...

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Quote from: calkob on August 21, 2016, 10:16:46 AM

Evil Soros shorting the world. And the world is not enough, nowhere near enough

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Quote from: sbtctalk on August 21, 2016, 10:25:39 AM

How does it relates to bitcoin? I don't see the link yet.

One of the main investors and force of economy is selling stocks and shifting his attention into gold and silver market?

Maybe there is no direct link bitcoin link here but bitcoin is viewed as many as digital gold. Soros is probably predict crash or drop on traditional markets.

Which is always good for alternative like bitcoin.

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How does it relates to bitcoin? I don't see the link yet.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on August 16, 2016, 11:38:53 AM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 16, 2016, 11:32:22 AM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/soros-nearly-doubles-down-bearish-bet-against-sp-500-2016-08-16

Looks like he is doubling his short position betting for basically another collapse. Time to stock up on BTC.

From what I know, when the newspaper gives you investing advice, you better not follow that advice.

That is hell of a true, i have never followed any advices from newspapers/celebrites/brokers or smth, because in most cases,
it is like you would choose stocks blindly.
I prefer doing it by myself, I feel more secure... and i dont like when somebody tells me what to do.

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Quote from: OROBTC on August 20, 2016, 09:56:14 PM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on August 20, 2016, 11:53:51 AM

Quote from: Mauser on August 16, 2016, 12:16:59 PM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 16, 2016, 11:32:22 AM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/soros-nearly-doubles-down-bearish-bet-against-sp-500-2016-08-16

Looks like he is doubling his short position betting for basically another collapse. Time to stock up on BTC.

Soros is a very good investor. Always worth to see what the big guys are buying.

Soros is bearish for a while now. He build a huge position in gold in the last months.

Agreed, but it's always possible he's wrong. Anyone can be, you know. Having said that, I do think the stock market is kinda sorta really high right now, and if I had enough money I'd buy some land, dig my bunker, and hide out until stocks are cheap again.

Bwa ha, me too re buying land and a bunker.

But, you would want to "under-buy" your land (buy less than you can afford), property is very easy to tax, and they would. Make sure to have enough money to pay off the tax collectors.

Agreed that stocks are dangerously high.

Unfortunately, tax collectors return every year. Tongue

It is not just stocks which are dangerously high. Quantitative easing has made any asset class worth its salt go through the roof.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on August 16, 2016, 11:38:53 AM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 16, 2016, 11:32:22 AM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/soros-nearly-doubles-down-bearish-bet-against-sp-500-2016-08-16

Looks like he is doubling his short position betting for basically another collapse. Time to stock up on BTC.

From what I know, when the newspaper gives you investing advice, you better not follow that advice.

this is what i think too, when there is a public and big announcement like this, it usually means things aren't that serious.
but also it is a much better idea to keep it in mind and stay vigilant on acting on it in case there was 0.00000001% chance of it coming true in other words you can buy bitcoin more if you are aware.

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Fucking love this shit, it's the same with the people that watch Jim Cramer and expect to make some mega-fucking-returns!

George Soros is a little rat too, Hillary Clinton supporting rat.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on August 16, 2016, 11:38:53 AM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 16, 2016, 11:32:22 AM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/soros-nearly-doubles-down-bearish-bet-against-sp-500-2016-08-16

Looks like he is doubling his short position betting for basically another collapse. Time to stock up on BTC.

From what I know, when the newspaper gives you investing advice, you better not follow that advice.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on August 20, 2016, 11:53:51 AM

Quote from: Mauser on August 16, 2016, 12:16:59 PM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 16, 2016, 11:32:22 AM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/soros-nearly-doubles-down-bearish-bet-against-sp-500-2016-08-16

Looks like he is doubling his short position betting for basically another collapse. Time to stock up on BTC.

Soros is a very good investor. Always worth to see what the big guys are buying.

Soros is bearish for a while now. He build a huge position in gold in the last months.

Agreed, but it's always possible he's wrong. Anyone can be, you know. Having said that, I do think the stock market is kinda sorta really high right now, and if I had enough money I'd buy some land, dig my bunker, and hide out until stocks are cheap again.

Bwa ha, me too re buying land and a bunker.

But, you would want to "under-buy" your land (buy less than you can afford), property is very easy to tax, and they would. Make sure to have enough money to pay off the tax collectors.

Agreed that stocks are dangerously high.

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Quote from: Herbert2020 on August 20, 2016, 11:43:26 AM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 16, 2016, 11:32:22 AM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/soros-nearly-doubles-down-bearish-bet-against-sp-500-2016-08-16

Looks like he is doubling his short position betting for basically another collapse. Time to stock up on BTC.

is it just me or this article actually has nothing to do with bitcoin?
it is actually talking about his position with S&P 500 which is an stock market index, and unless OP is suggesting a relationship between the two i don't see anything here!

I guess it is just you. Another financial collapse which Soros is allegedly betting for has everything to do with Bitcoin. How come? Because any crisis (let alone a collapse) by definition affects living standards of ordinary people in mostly negative ways (though a few may become rich and richer while there is blood in the streets), and among them are those who have bitcoins. Evidently, some of the latter having lost their jobs will have to sell their bitcoin stashes in order to pay their bills as well as buy food and all other things people usually buy with fiat on a daily basis...

Conversely, some others which are better off may decide to buy even more bitcoins to defend themselves against the collapse that Soros is said to be forecasting

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Quote from: Mauser on August 16, 2016, 12:16:59 PM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 16, 2016, 11:32:22 AM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/soros-nearly-doubles-down-bearish-bet-against-sp-500-2016-08-16

Looks like he is doubling his short position betting for basically another collapse. Time to stock up on BTC.

Soros is a very good investor. Always worth to see what the big guys are buying.

Soros is bearish for a while now. He build a huge position in gold in the last months.

Agreed, but it's always possible he's wrong. Anyone can be, you know. Having said that, I do think the stock market is kinda sorta really high right now, and if I had enough money I'd buy some land, dig my bunker, and hide out until stocks are cheap again.

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Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 16, 2016, 11:32:22 AM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/soros-nearly-doubles-down-bearish-bet-against-sp-500-2016-08-16

Looks like he is doubling his short position betting for basically another collapse. Time to stock up on BTC.

is it just me or this article actually has nothing to do with bitcoin?
it is actually talking about his position with S&P 500 which is an stock market index, and unless OP is suggesting a relationship between the two i don't see anything here!

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Soros pretty much controls the mainstream news for US (I'm sure other countries as well)

If you have this kind of power, and information about your trading habits are being released like this, I would stay the hell away from him, and not let him influence your decisions - because he could just be releasing this information to grab a quick billion from the dumbass investors that follow him fervently.

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Quote from: davis196 on August 20, 2016, 07:39:26 AM

Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 16, 2016, 11:32:22 AM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/soros-nearly-doubles-down-bearish-bet-against-sp-500-2016-08-16

Looks like he is doubling his short position betting for basically another collapse. Time to stock up on BTC.

This is normal for Soros.

He is making money everytime there is a crysis in the world economy.

I`m not pretty sure that this inforamation is true.

It might be true, or only half true (with you getting the wrong half as usual), but in any case this info is already irrelevant since it is dated and outdated. He is said to be doubling his short positions allegedly betting for another collapse, but we don't know his long positions, so we can't be sure what he is actually up to...

Since naked shorts isn't something that speculators of the Soros caliber usually stick to

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Quote from: BillyBobZorton on August 16, 2016, 11:32:22 AM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/soros-nearly-doubles-down-bearish-bet-against-sp-500-2016-08-16

Looks like he is doubling his short position betting for basically another collapse. Time to stock up on BTC.

This is normal for Soros.

He is making money everytime there is a crysis in the world economy.

I`m not pretty sure that this inforamation is true.

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