Topic: Spectre.ai information - Trading platform now LIVE! - page 116. (Read 89701 times)

You will receive stem tokens. You decide and claim token type after sale.

About to contribute to the #spectreai sale? Check out our latest blog post for some important information:

https://medium.com/@teamspectre/information-about-the-token-sale-58dcebc40100

Hey people, how do i choose which tokens i am buying? Utility or dividend.

You can see the address by logging into your tokensale portal here: https://tokensale.spectre.ai

You can still register for the pre-sale but will no longer be whitelisted.

Min Cap   5,000,000 total SPECTRE tokens (combination of SPEC-U and SPEC-D)

Already a thousand more. A good start, although I learned about the project only today, I think it is necessary to understand before the main round of sale.

Cliff High Interview with Karan Khemani, CEO of Spectre.ai.

https://youtu.be/pX1MJIhYd5o

Which tokens users preffered now? Utilites or dividends tokens? I cant choose whis ones better 

It does not look like the right address, i also got another address to send to.
I think he made a mistake.
Spectre is well on its way reaching the minimum target already. Or already did.  

*edit, nevermind it is correct. contract address is different.

@Spectre.ai.team

You don't have support and ANN in the Greek community!
This is no good for someone Greek who's trying to follow your project...

Is this the correct address of SPECTRE ?
I am an early registered user and this is not the address that i have

@Spectre.ai.team
At your website is still enabled the "register to pre-sale"
So, it wasn't significant enough to register ourselfs days ago...

About the cap
The hard cap is 240 million SPECTRE tokens.
What about the low ?

Thanks!

It's going very well so far, thanks for your support.

Hi all. How it is going on the pre-sale. I hope it will be good for all investors and project team

ICO Alert Report: Spectre.ai
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https://blog.icoalert.com/ico-alert-report-spectre-36af35e33948

Below is the ramblings of an absolute FOOL. So let's breakdown the FOOL's comments in turn to educate him. SPECTRE is not using binary options, they are the creators of "SMART OPTIONS" a totally new kind of trading asset imo. One of which should dominate this space for years to come. Binary Options agreed are DEAD, the rats nest of people who destroyed them in Israel has come to an end *** YAY *** as over 95% of the brokers come from there and if you don't know Israeli's well they are home bodies so not likely to leave and cause trouble away from home, not part of their nature. So odds are they will go back to looking for work selling second hand electronics at airports. Another thing to note is SPECTRE is no broker, they have created an autonomous DECENTRALIZED liquidity pool, do you not get that? That means you do not DEPOSIT to a BROKER = NO FRAUD!  Odds are you maybe be part of the very brokers being put out business by public opinion, the LAW and now even technology, prolly best to get over it, hands him the classified ads, search terms you might wish to look for on jobmonsters.com = Conman/@$$hole/IsraeliBrokeroutofwork/mentallyhandicappedjobs and the like. So

1) Again not Binary Options = SMART OPTIONS, also the SPECTRE platform works try using it as I have, will have a great future being able to trade all kinds of products and integrate education/risk management tools, easy to use interface/charting. It even has DAPP built in for future 3rd party connectivity options. The license they will get and ones they will apply for will likely be looked on favorably due to their connections to real fintech space players and the knowledge they bring to the table. There is good will here as they are looking to bring a corrupt industry to an end and usher in a new age of fairness for investors and traders alike. That is POWER, even if you are too short sighted to see it. Again these are NOT BINARY OPTIONS, those are DEAD, these are "SMART OPTIONS" decentralized blockchain based with a fair profit system for SPECTRE and Token holders of 2% which would anger any broker who would like to keep their 100% instead on clients losses, such as Binary.com, STOX, SPOTCHAIN and all the broker shills who are afraid of SPECTRE destroying their CENTRALIZED model boys club. Your "Conflict of interest days are done, get ready for a DECENTRALIZED model that eats your lunch, bringing an end to the FRAUD/Manipulation and RISK to the trader.  

2) 2% is not good enough? Remember the team members of SPECTRE have been around for years running a fair business model catering to traders, which they don't even really promote. I think this is due to their focus on the future and somewhat humble nature. They are not marketers trying to run hype and tell you how great they are at every turn, they are professionals who wish to make trading a better experience for all and they have the vision and team to bring this about. This is the warped thinking of somebody from the Israeli conman/binary options space. SPECTRE is not a BROKER you got that right, brokers are greedy dirt bags who wish to only take clients money, period! Now you sound very very familiar with this, to which my guess is you are with a broker in some way/shape/form. 2% has an exponential effect spread out over many users/transactions in time. I suggest you actually do more research on spectre.ai as they have all the breakdowns on the site for you. Or would you rather just make baseless fictional remarks in order to FUD them? My guess is the later...

3) Conflict of interest? All trading is a ZERO sum game period! Yes you will have losers, but if I had a choice of trading vs a DECENTRALIZED autonomous liquidity pool that takes 2% on volume VS a Broker taking 100% based on losses, well no need to think about this. CENTRALIZED = 100% gains for broker 100% losses/Manipulation/Conflict of Interest/FRAUD on your DEPOSIT to them, which you hope they will return to you vs DECENTRALIZED 2% per transaction and you hold onto your money as there is NO DEPOSIT required = LESS RISK to the trader. Add to the value that you are supporting the future with blockchain tech adding to the value with security/speed and a FRAUD free future both elegant in design and moral in vision.

4) Trader or Token holders? Really? The simple fact is most lose in trading, same in business too? So what is your point if the average loss is 2500 per individual, as in business does that mean nobody should take the risk anymore? Maybe we should all become communists and stop trying to capitalize on new technology and just all go back to working on basic living requirements, hold hands brothers! UNIT fight the dirty capitalists! Ahhhhh... No... Traders get a "FAIR BATTLE GROUND" of which the trading world has not seen and Token Holders get profits off the aggregate of the functionality of the DLP, simple/honest and straight forward.


So what is it!? I will tell you what it is .... The Dude Abides ...
This is to say it will be and already is. Your stressed/deceptive/angry undertones are not lost on me. You are very likely one of those Israeli con men who pretended to be a broker, or have support them in the past. That is coming to an end. The DECENTRALIZED FAIR and advanced MODEL is going to put the CENTRALIZED brokers out of business. "CENTRALIZED = Dialup" and "DECENTRALIZED = FiberOptics." Brokers are angry because that 2% = no profits for them, or very very little. Only a fair minded group who is out provide a honest and long term business would think this way. Where con men who only see short term gains would think the other way. Also even commission structured trading has it's negatives such as churning by brokers or spreading. IG and Nadex screw their clients over imo and hey they even have CFTC licensing to allow this. You want a platform that is based on commission that has even lower odds of a trader being profitable, check them out! That platform is designed to screw traders as bad as the prime mortgage scam of 2007-8 was designed to steal wealth from middle america. Binary Options are DEAD that is all I agree with in your writing, from the ashes will RISE "SMART OPTIONS" long may they live!!! Vive la France! Opps hold on I am american, BUILD A WALL!  

Muahahah spectre has raised more than 12,250 ETH atm only from their pre-sale. What a really great potential project.
See on here  https://etherscan.io/address/0x670e095e92aff090fb8475131f7a8a5d98bd0155

Hi, you were already responded to here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23474749

I will copy/paste it here for those who missed it (including you):

I have investes in two other ICO's relating to Binary Options. And I have regretted this very much. These binary ICO's are popping up every day. Newest I think binary.com
So after investing I looked (to late) into this business and the potential.

You haven’t read our whitepaper so if possible, try and stop ranting and carefully read our responses. Binary.com is a centralised Binary broker raising money to continue their existing model and tokenise end of year profits to dividends. Our’s removes the broker completely out of the equation and replaces them with a decentralised, autonomous liquidity pool (DALP) and P2P model. This allows traders to trade a range of digital options, smart CFDs and traditional a-book trading. Not sure what makes you believe we are a binary broker – there are no deposits on our platform and no broker present.  We don’t offer binary options. The nature of our contracts covers binary outcomes as well, however these are Smart Options and Smart CFDs (ULC) and other contract types. Everything is governed by smart contracts which is the big difference which you clearly have missed.

THIS SPECTRE PLATFORM WILL NEVER WORK !! (of course they do not care, only if the ICO works)

It already works. The pool has grown, traders love it. Defamatory statements that are misleading will result in you being tracked down and sued for defamation. We are happy to escalate this.

1. They say they will apply for a EU license The 1st of January MIFID II will get in effect, meaning 95% of all EU countries will ban Binary Options. So this license is worthless. It can only be used in the EU. US, Canada, Brasil and many other countries and continents have already stated that offering Binary options is illegal. Binary Options are dead !>> clearly no real research was done or ignored

We have actually met with regulators including CySEC. Clearly your understanding of MIFID 2 is lacking as MIFID 2 is not actually even published. MIFID 2 doesn’t ban binary options. There is no information on that. Binary Options are not allowed to be marketed in select regions like Canada or Israel. However, as you can see digital options are big in the U.S as traded under CFTC regulated NADEX who has no plans to ban them. Binary.com which operates under a gaming license in Malta is actually one of the market leaders and will they be shut down by MIFID 2? Absolutely not. Is IQ Option being shut down by CySEC? They are one of the biggest binary players in Europe and operating well within the law. Again, we offer Smart Options (both all or nothing and digital options however our contracts are governed by smart contracts on the Ethereum blockchain, so there is no opportunity for financial fraud) and CFDs and traditional A-Book trading. You have clearly misunderstood what Spectre.ai does.

2. Financial statement is total guess work (or just pumped up for this ICO)
All other Binary ICO companies have set out income and cost of running a binary platform.
Running such a platform cost a lot of money (especially marketing) and this all going to be paid for with a 2% margin , get real !

Actually our 2% model on SOs and 2-20% of spread on CFDs works like a charm. It more than covers our cost base (we don’t have account managers like you do at the broker you work for) so our human-asset intensity is far lower.  Also don’t forget we hold d tokens that participate in volumes not only on the normal divvy but end of year special divvy as well. That flows through as operating income. We’re a tech company, not a financial broker. Ergo, our cost base mirrors the former, not latter. Login to our platform and you can see the total dividends paid out, growth in the liquidity pool since the alpha went live around 1.5 months is over 5k ethers, which validates all of our forecasts. Our win rate assumptions included. We have the data, not sure what you’re operating on.

They state a client value of 2500, this is absurd. Not even the largest Forex brokers have such a value. Traders putting 8 trades every day ?? They do not go on holliday or take a break or stop trading...?
>> this team has no experience and is making up numbers

Again, as you haven’t read our white paper or gone into our detailed Forecasts model, you are not in a position to speak with any real authority. Nowhere is the LTV stated as $2,500. It is at $800-900 (page 14 Whitepaper), go to our Forecasts model as well and look at cell B72. With regards to holidays and breaks, yes actually we do factor that in, look at cell number B71. It assumes 110 days of trading (which is based on actual FX and DO data). So everything you have categorically said is false and misleading. Now yes, if you divide Gross Revs by the number of traders you get a net-volume per trader of around $2.4k (aka gross-ltv) however the LTV to us and token holders (net-ltv) is far lower owing to the mechanics of the DALP. Additionally, the LTV for FX traders is far higher than BO traders and our forecasts include a blend of both types of traders not ‘depleted binary option traders’. Many European FX brokerages have client LTVs of EUR 3,000 +. Some are at EUR 1,800 but the average is way higher. Most importantly, our data and assumptions on both net-LTVs and gross-LTVs are coming from one of the market leaders in Europe in binaries (volumes, win-rates, everything) so we have actual data verification behind our assumptions.


3. NO CONFLICTOF INTEREST ??
Spectre is no broker, but it sure as hell is a counter party of their traders! Traders loose and the company wins.
If clients win, this Holy Grale (the liquidity pool) is going to get empty and this means no income for the company (or token holders) , so what is keeping them from rigging the platform ?

Based on this question it is clear that you don’t understand how the Ethereum block chain works, nor how immutable smart contracts interface with multi-sig wallets. We are not a counterparty to anything. Trader trade p2p or against the DALP. The Ethereum blockchain guarantees orcalised pricing so truer and fairer entries and only smart contracts control fund flows (not humans) after trade outcomes (wins, losses, close TP/SLs). It is theoretically impossible for us to extract funds from the liquidity pool (DALP). The only way spectre.ai’s wallet and d token holder wallets get paid are through volumes (not just losses; we are agnostic whether the client wins or loses). Again, loosely glancing over our whitepaper but not actually understanding what we do is going to result in false conclusions.

They say all brokers are scammers (which is true). But where do they get this winrate of 52% (needed for them to make a profit). This company has no experience in running a binary company, so these numbers come from other brokers (correct: scam brokers) And why is the win rate so low, because if the broker does not scam, the winrate will be much higher!

The win rate is actually 49.8% on binary options and we have this from one of the market leaders in Europe with trade data totalling over thousands trades and thousands of customers (sign an NDA with us and we can release that information in confidence, no problem). We build in a higher win-rate on our platform (52%) because our trading platform actually has good risk management features and emotion control algorithms that ensure clients don’t destroy their account within weeks of depositing. Our current win-rate on the spectre.ai dapp which has seen millions in volume go through it already is tracking close to 52-54%.

4. Make a choice , token holders or traders !
Spectre is promoting the platform to traders and pretending that they will offer all the tools to be a successful trader. This is great ! For the traders, but not for the shareholders (clients need to loose to make money) On the other side they promote ICO investors that they are going to offer a profitable trading platform, in which clients will loose on average 2500€ ..

Again, as you haven’t read our white paper or gone into our detailed Forecasts model, you are not in a position to speak with any real authority. Nowhere is the LTV stated as $2,500. It is at $800-900 (page 14 Whitepaper), go to our Forecasts model as well and look at cell B72. With regards to holidays and breaks, yes actually we do factor that in, look at cell number B71. It assumes 110 days of trading (which is based on actual FX and DO data). So everything you have categorically said is false and misleading. Now yes, if you divide Gross Revs by the number of traders you get a net-volume per trader of around $2.4k (aka gross-ltv) however the LTV to us and token holders (net-ltv) is far lower owing to the mechanics of the DALP. Additionally, the LTV for FX traders is far higher than BO traders and our forecasts include a blend of both types of traders not ‘depleted binary option traders’. Many European FX brokerages have client LTVs of EUR 3,000 +. Some are at EUR 1,800 but the average is way higher. Most importantly, our data and assumptions on both net-LTVs and gross-LTVs are coming from one of the market leaders in Europe in binaries (volumes, win-rates, everything) so we have actual data verification behind our assumptions.

Whether you like it or not, take a look at Oanda’s latest audited reports, 65-70% of traders even in a safe a-book environment lose money. It’s that simple. Of course the traders that are good and deserve to win should get paid and that’s exactly what we create a true and fair trading environment.

Also with regards to trading profits as a percentage of total Spectre.ai and token holder revenues, you have completely misunderstood how the Dapp store works and what adjacent fin-tech sectors/areas the DALP will connect to thus diversifying revenue streams.


So What is it ?What is your goal, make us rich or make traders rich !

To create the fairest and most transparent trading environment. Our technology means no deposits required, no brokers required, all prices independently verified. Those who win get paid, shareholders and Spectre.ai get paid on volumes (not just losses but both wins and losses) and Dapp store growth. Speaking in exclamation marks and screaming is not going to change our mission.

the only way both parties can profit if you are a REAL BROKER. A real broker earns on commissions, which means the more positions a traders opens the more commission you earn as a company and now you want the trader to win, as you will want him to place more trades Wink
Great company to set out an ICO and not saying it is a scam, but they have no idea what they are doing and have no experience. (look at the team) and this platform will go bust on traders winning (thats what you want, right? )

This is what a real broker does: https://www.timesofisrael.com/fleeced-by-israeli-binary-options-firm-canadian-man-commits-suicide/

People like you belong behind bars guising as customers when actually you are a broker yourself. Had you made that clear earlier, it would make a lot more sense that you had a dog in the fight. We mean this in every professional sense; shame on you for being a broker and part of the problem and trying to attack a technology that actually creates a fair and transparent trading environment for traders. Read the whitepaper.


Spectre.ai Legal

How much is received for the pre-sale round? What are the bonuses for the participant of this round? Thanks in advance!

The 2nd day of presale had just began.
3000 ETH collected in just 15 minutes, which is not bad.
I guess those who are not whitelisted still get good chance to get into the presale.

Reading this thread carefully, and besides all the sales pitches from Spectre and other members (part of Spectres team or not) This were some valid questions, still not one single answer to one of them from Spectre. Besides some cursing from idiots.
What I do know is that Binary is illegal in most countries and more countries are joining every day. And the EU countries will also make it illegal. You can read about this all over the internet.

So I think it is stepping in a industry that is coming to its end...

Got a early slot to participate in the presale yesterday!! One of my first ico and biggest contribution for me..
Awesome project! Awesome project, very smooth ico process and had no issues at all.
Feeling very nice waking up and seeing the sxs tokens in my wallet.
I recommend everybody to get as much spectre tokens as possible, dont miss out!!