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legendary
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October 05, 2019, 01:46:38 AM
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Lee said he believes the cryptocurrency space is "too small for the institutional world." Lee goes on to compare bitcoin's relatively small market size to that of gold, stocks, and bonds. "Gold is 9 trillion. The stock market is 66 trillion the bond market is 86 trillion, bitcoin is not even half a percent of the total assets," Lee says, adding that "if you’re asking someone to allocate 1% to bitcoin — that’s like triple the market weighting, like you’re you’re asking someone to make a massive bet even though it’s 1% of their assets because bitcoin is that small."

"It’s probably correct I think about 1% of the U.S. owns bitcoin and at that size it’s too small for an institution, it’s a hobby," Lee concludes.

Another barrier preventing institutional investors from entering the cryptocurrency space is a lack of infrastructure, Lee says. However, Lee believes this is due to the lack of regulatory protection. "There’s not enough legal and regulatory protection for bitcoin in the U.S. to prevent a White House executive order banning bitcoin, like nothing today would prevent bitcoin from being outlawed in the U.S."

Due to regulatory uncertainty, Lee believes institutional investors will feel they are taking on "reputational risk" for "extending it to a market that has no regulatory protection..."

Never thought I'd see Tom Lee so bearish on the fundamentals! Shocked

I always said if Tom Lee ever becomes a bear, that's the time to go all in. Well ladies and gentlemen, we've got our signal. We're probably on the verge of a major bull run now.
legendary
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October 04, 2019, 11:03:08 PM
#49
Our favorite permabull might be admitting defeat. Tom Lee was interviewed and it appears that he already has silently surrendered and ready to remove himself from his own bullishness on bitcoin.

I reckon this might be because his speculations about institutional investors to buy bitcoin by this time of the year did not come to fruition.



In this week's episode of The Scoop, Tom Lee, Managing Partner and Head of Research at Fundstrat Global Advisor, tells The Block about the barriers preventing institutions from investing in bitcoin.
"There's a mechanical issue for crypto in terms of infrastructure that’s needed but there’s probably also a size of market issue," Lee tells The Block.

Lee said he believes the cryptocurrency space is "too small for the institutional world." Lee goes on to compare bitcoin's relatively small market size to that of gold, stocks, and bonds. "Gold is 9 trillion. The stock market is 66 trillion the bond market is 86 trillion, bitcoin is not even half a percent of the total assets," Lee says, adding that "if you’re asking someone to allocate 1% to bitcoin — that’s like triple the market weighting, like you’re you’re asking someone to make a massive bet even though it’s 1% of their assets because bitcoin is that small."

"It’s probably correct I think about 1% of the U.S. owns bitcoin and at that size it’s too small for an institution, it’s a hobby," Lee concludes.

Another barrier preventing institutional investors from entering the cryptocurrency space is a lack of infrastructure, Lee says. However, Lee believes this is due to the lack of regulatory protection. "There’s not enough legal and regulatory protection for bitcoin in the U.S. to prevent a White House executive order banning bitcoin, like nothing today would prevent bitcoin from being outlawed in the U.S."

Due to regulatory uncertainty, Lee believes institutional investors will feel they are taking on "reputational risk" for "extending it to a market that has no regulatory protection..."


Source https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/42086/tom-lee-on-the-main-hurdles-preventing-institutional-investors-from-getting-into-bitcoin
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September 25, 2019, 07:52:13 AM
#48
@JohnBitCo. On Tom Lee, he only does not give predictions or statements in his own favor, he is giving them in all our favors.

He also has the more to lose compared to us the forum cave trolls. He is risking his own money, Fundstrat investors' money and his own reputation.
We can say that because the market is a speculative markets if anyone says anything in our favor to increase the price of bitcoin, it will surely be in our statement because that their positive review or prediction will surely touch someone and make the person to make some investment.

Tom lee has been of a great blessing to us actually and he has always predicted in favor of bitcoin, one thing that I like about him is that his own prediction is still a little bit reasonable, unlike those other ones that usually predict some figure that we know will not be possible and making them look like they are just like kids and just gambling with price prediction , because I leaned that is gambling, we have some people that do bet on value of coin which is insane to me in this market that is unpredictable.
legendary
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September 24, 2019, 11:02:12 PM
#47
@Lucius. We do not know. His reputation might be bad in the forum today, however, how would it be if bitcoin goes to his prediction of $25,000 or higher? His only mistake might only be his timing hehehe.
legendary
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September 24, 2019, 07:45:32 AM
#46
@JohnBitCo. On Tom Lee, he only does not give predictions or statements in his own favor, he is giving them in all our favors.

He also has the more to lose compared to us the forum cave trolls. He is risking his own money, Fundstrat investors' money and his own reputation.

Do you think Tom Lee still has some reputation? I personally have not seen anyone have so many bad predictions in such a short time, and to continue with the same as if nothing had happened. I doubt he is losing his money directly, but those who listen to it are generally at a loss.

Every day a new statement, it just spins them in a circle hoping that some will come true.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/09/20/fundstrats-tom-lee-expects-big-breakout-for-stocks.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CXo1HoMY_Q -- Bitcoin heading higher, says Fundstrat's Tom Lee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7RXJ7g0kaw -- New highs for bitcoin possible this year: Fundstrat's Tom Lee
legendary
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September 23, 2019, 09:48:16 PM
#45
@JohnBitCo. On Tom Lee, he only does not give predictions or statements in his own favor, he is giving them in all our favors.

He also has the more to lose compared to us the forum cave trolls. He is risking his own money, Fundstrat investors' money and his own reputation.
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September 22, 2019, 07:55:05 AM
#44
What bitcoin will do is dependent on couple dozen whales and that is it, not the market, not the public decision, just those whales wanting bitcoin to go one direction and doing it.

From what you said above, I think the whales won't control the direction of price soon. At the time the popularity of bitcoin will rise more, more investors would come in and the chain of whales will be broken down into smaller parts and unit. By then what you would have are semi whales, that is holders with quantity that can't really change a market direction by a single effort.

When a lot of institutional  and retail investors will come in the crypto world, the bitcoin will be divided among them and it will be more difficult to manipulate the currency which is more distributed and no one holding the major portion of the coins.

As far as Tom Lee is considered, I have stopped following him and other famous persons because none of them give the correct predictions and all of them give statements to move the market in their favor.
legendary
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September 21, 2019, 11:08:49 PM
#43
@BitHodler. However, you make it appear that it would be impossible for whales to cooperate with each other to achieve a similar agenda.

I was also implying that it would be possible that the cryptocoin whales are beginning to be surpassed by a group of banking whales cooperating together.
legendary
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September 20, 2019, 06:41:48 PM
#42
Whales have always controlled everything. In the cryptospace, however, it might be under the act of beginning to be controlled by the bigger whales who own the banks hehehe.
You make it look like whales operate under the same umbrella and therefore have the same agenda to follow, but that's not the case. In fact, whales clash with each other just as much as they clash with the smaller fishes.

Wall street banks don't cooperate with each other either, but have their own traders trading. It seems that people here have somehow (incorrectly) agreed that whales are evil manipulators working together to crash or pump the price.

Enjoy it now, I predict more regulations and the isolation of ordinary holders.
Nothing too surprising. Governments have always tried to figure out who the owner is of what asset, and how much each onwer actually owns. Crypto isn't any different in that regard. OGs have seen it coming years ago already.
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September 16, 2019, 01:06:50 PM
#41
What bitcoin will do is dependent on couple dozen whales and that is it, not the market, not the public decision, just those whales wanting bitcoin to go one direction and doing it.

From what you said above, I think the whales won't control the direction of price soon. At the time the popularity of bitcoin will rise more, more investors would come in and the chain of whales will be broken down into smaller parts and unit. By then what you would have are semi whales, that is holders with quantity that can't really change a market direction by a single effort.
legendary
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September 19, 2019, 08:47:18 PM
#41
@carter34. Whales have always controlled everything. In the cryptospace, however, it might be under the act of beginning to be controlled by the bigger whales who own the banks hehehe.

Enjoy it now, I predict more regulations and the isolation of ordinary holders.
legendary
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September 16, 2019, 10:02:05 AM
#40
There is really barely any correlation between stocks and bitcoin that way. There is a correlation between stocks and economy of a country plus there is one correlation between economy of a country and bitcoin, which means somehow stocks and bitcoin are somehow related but know that its not completely related to each other. It has some other type of relevance to each other like bitcoin was created after the biggest bear market of the world has ever seen but that is about it.

Sometimes bitcoin goes up when stocks go down, sometimes bitcoin goes down when stocks go up, sometimes they go up together or down together. What bitcoin will do is dependent on couple dozen whales and that is it, not the market, not the public decision, just those whales wanting bitcoin to go one direction and doing it.
legendary
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September 16, 2019, 01:10:40 AM
#39
I thought bitcoin was our safe haven for economic depressions. Is Tom Lee's statement also implying that if Trump collapses the American economy, bitcoin will also collapse? I shake my head.

“The next big catalyst [for Bitcoin] is a decisive breakout in the equity markets,” he told CNBC’s Fast Money on Thursday. “Once equities break to an all-time high, Bitcoin becomes a risk-on asset.” For Lee, it seems clear: as stocks go high, Bitcoin follows.

The increased liquidity from a breakout in the equities market could propel Bitcoin to an all-time high, predicts Lee.

I'm with Tom Lee. As a risky/speculative asset, BTC benefits from exuberance in the equity markets. It works just like sector rotation for stocks. Eventually that increased market liquidity spills over into other speculative investments, especially those that are hot and riding a bull market like BTC.

And yeah, it goes both ways. If recession hits and equities crash, I think BTC will too.

Also, what is a generational buy?

It's another way of saying "the buy of a generation." A rare investment opportunity.
legendary
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September 15, 2019, 09:09:12 PM
#38
I thought bitcoin was our safe haven for economic depressions. Is Tom Lee's statement also implying that if Trump collapses the American economy, bitcoin will also collapse? I shake my head.

Also, what is a generational buy?



Bitcoin Tends to Follow the S&P500, Says Lee

“The next big catalyst [for Bitcoin] is a decisive breakout in the equity markets,” he told CNBC’s Fast Money on Thursday. “Once equities break to an all-time high, Bitcoin becomes a risk-on asset.” For Lee, it seems clear: as stocks go high, Bitcoin follows.

The increased liquidity from a breakout in the equities market could propel Bitcoin to an all-time high, predicts Lee. As of now, the S&P’s all-time high is around 3,025. If it breaks this, Lee argues that it would be “bullish for Bitcoin.” His analysis is based on precedent: the best years for the S&P 500 have also coincided with the best years for Bitcoin.

The recent lull in Bitcoin’s price movements can also be explained in this way. Lee sees this same choppy market in equities also, which leads him to believe that the S&P 500 needs to move upward for Bitcoin to follow.

During this same segment, BKCM founder and CEO Brian Kelly told Fast Money that this is a “massive buying opportunity” for those looking to jump into Bitcoin since there is “too much money coming into this market.” He argues that “for the next six months” there is the opportunity for a ‘generational buy.’


Read in full https://beincrypto.com/fundstrats-tom-lee-says-that-bitcoin-and-sp-500-are-heading-towards-all-time-high/
legendary
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August 16, 2019, 11:24:27 PM
#37
he keeps lowering his expectations of bitcoin and it seems like he forgot to take a look at the charts again to see how the last time (2015) looked like with the slower rise at first which is what we have right now.
What is wrong with that ? For example, you plan for a vacation in Indonesia and on the event of earthquake, you will still keep on planning up ? After all, these are all speculation and you should not make your decisions of your life's all saving by listening to them but may risk at 10% or 25% based on your affordability. Speculators may keep increasing or lowering based on favoring factors but people will never complain when speculators increase their target price levels.

it is true that it is speculation but it still has to be reasonable and have some logic behind it. for example if i keep saying price is going to fall down to $10 this year, that is also a "speculation" but without any logic, i would be randomly bullshitting. and that is what's wroth with that. Lee has been "speculating" unreasonable price rises during a time when it was clear that rise (specially that kind of rise) wasn't possible meaning during 2018 when the market entered bear mode and needed the bubble burst and correction.

and that works both ways, like Lee, there have been others who get caught up in a certain trend and fail to change with the market changes. for example there have been many who were "speculating" low unreasonable prices such as $1000 for bitcoin just because there has been a long drop last year.
legendary
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August 16, 2019, 09:47:27 PM
#36
Tom the great permabull has given another piece of his wisdom. Thank you Tom, we shall hold you accountable if you are wrong again and post many words of hate and insults on you hehehe.



Fundstrat's Lee is not out of the bitcoin price prediction business. After last year's bullish call for BTC $25,000 didn't work out, Lee backed off from making price forecasts for a while. With the wind seemingly at its back, bitcoin could make a strong finish in 2019 similar to its record display in 2017, and Lee doesn't want to miss out. He tells Fox Business host Stuart Varney:

"I think it's going to be much higher by the end of the year and potentially at new all-time highs. I think anyone who wants to have a 2 percent or 1 percent allocation to bitcoin as a hedge against a lot of things that could go wrong it's a smart bet."


Read in full https://www.ccn.com/bitcoin-could-break-through-to-a-new-high-in-2019-predicts-tom-lee/
legendary
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August 06, 2019, 10:10:31 PM
#35
@gentlemand. I was asking because Tom Lee has been an indicator to go with the opposite since the beginning of 2018. I only wanted to know what my fellow Tom fans thought hehehe.

Also, what does upping rhetoric, not reigning it mean?
legendary
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August 06, 2019, 05:16:02 AM
#34
I reckon that he is also shaking his head on this, his latest comment is not his normal style. However, is this a good sign or a bad one?

I presume you are dating Tom Lee so why not ask him staring deep into his eyes over candlelight?

These legacy financial types will probably be more reluctant to make predictions about BTC if the wider markets are looking turbulent. It's easier when the big picture is steady. But that's when the chances of silly calls manifesting themselves increases. They should be upping rhetoric, not reining it in.
legendary
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August 01, 2019, 09:41:56 PM
#33
“We don’t have a target for Bitcoin, but the prior high was $20,000. I think there’s a good possibility that Bitcoin reattains that high this year

he keeps lowering his expectations of bitcoin and it seems like he forgot to take a look at the charts again to see how the last time (2015) looked like with the slower rise at first which is what we have right now. it seems like he gets caught up in the short term drama a lot and then makes the emotional yet permabull predictions out of.
i am still waiting for the price to reach $40,000 by the end of 2018, the prediction he made in Nov 2017 when price was below $9k and was shooting up towards $20k.

I reckon that he is also shaking his head on this, his latest comment is not his normal style. However, is this a good sign or a bad one?
legendary
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August 01, 2019, 12:46:50 AM
#32
he keeps lowering his expectations of bitcoin and it seems like he forgot to take a look at the charts again to see how the last time (2015) looked like with the slower rise at first which is what we have right now.
What is wrong with that ? For example, you plan for a vacation in Indonesia and on the event of earthquake, you will still keep on planning up ? After all, these are all speculation and you should not make your decisions of your life's all saving by listening to them but may risk at 10% or 25% based on your affordability. Speculators may keep increasing or lowering based on favoring factors but people will never complain when speculators increase their target price levels.

i am still waiting for the price to reach $40,000 by the end of 2018, the prediction he made in Nov 2017 when price was below $9k and was shooting up towards $20k.
I am not sure you may able to time-travel to 2018 but bitcoin price will definitely hit $40k. Again, with respect to bitcoin speculations, people may fail with time frame but definitely not with price levels.
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