Topic: Spineless cowards making posts - page 4. (Read 1401 times)

I don't think this is a good advice overall and taking it would not be an ethical decision from an good campaign manager.

As a manager of signature campaigns, you always set common criteria to protect other managers, which is really great. It's not like what's always on this forum, struggling, lowering prices, ... you're the one I admire the most 
Definitely, the posting person above is a member of that signature campaign, but instead acts transparently to ask questions or PM for Hhampuz, he sneaky  I bet he is afraid his account will be tagged with such questions  a silly fear  Thinking for a bit, this action stems from his fear of not being able to participate in any other campaign run by Hhampuz 

I'll remind you that you don't need to actually speak when posting.   

(I'm only a grammar nazi when people misuse the word literally, which is a word meant to clear ambiguity)

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Stupid locked thread...  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53838262
I hate locked threads..

Where are you quoting from?

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Where are you quoting from?

This is the first time I have ever heard the consequences of asking a question to be described as "getting away with it".

I am literally speechless for words as to how to respond to that. That sounds a lot like something someone might say who is being graded by the chinese social credit system.

BTW, I don't think Hhampuz thinks it is as ludicrous to expect payment as you do:

I won't comment on what I think Hhampuz should have done, but this was his reaction.

If you are doing business with someone, and you don't receive payment when you expected to, I don't think it would be an appropriate reaction for the person you are dealing with to "take it personally" when you question why you didn't receive payment.

I guess someone forgot to tell whoever Justice_ is that the marketplace subs are a "safe space"

Their could have been some merit to the argument if he was supposed to be escrowing the campaign funds in advance to protect the posters.. But..


Taking PN7's word for it Hhampuz was not "escrow" so he is not liable..
He very well could be if he was escrow though..

So what exactly did he get away with? Questioning one of the chosen? Having opinions you don't like? Still looking for those principles you claim to maintain.

Some of you may have noticed I've dipped a toe into the waters of signature campaigns this week.  I know from many years experience that there are those who will use alts to double dip in multiple campaigns and then there are those who (for whatever reason) really do seem to rely on the few dollars they get from campaigns.

I don't know the back story of what's transpired recently, but I take my hat off to all the campaign managers who I've seen get kicked around by some seriously butt hurt people when they don't get paid, or when it's not on time.

I'll go along with both yahoo62278 and Hhampuz in any decision making they are faced with because they wouldn't have gotten to where they are now without having to make those tough decisions in the past.

I can see why you're taking it personally, I would too in your situation.  The idea that Hhampuz is responsible for paying the participants while he too is among those not getting paid is absolutely ludicrous.  Obviously Hhampuz is working for the same company, also expecting compensation.  Anyone with half a brain should understand that.  It's an audacious, tactless request.

He expects someone who also got scammed to pay him, so he's not the one getting scammed.  Someone who did actual work; auditing and counting many people's posts while he only had to make posts he would have made anyway.  Furthermore, it demonstrates that he cares more about the pay than he does for his fellow forum members, and being a contributing member of the forum.  I wish he had used his main account because now I'm curious who this shitbird is.

And that's why he used an alt.  Which is allowed, and I'm glad it's allowed.  Look at the responses in that thread he created.  Look at my reaction to his audacity.  If he had used his main account he very likely would have been tagged and/or excluded.  If not now, eventually.  He would have had his post history scrutinized, and likely would have been exposed for the sig-spammer he is.  

So, maybe this shitstick gets away this time.  Maybe he sees this thread, as well as the one he created, and takes all these responses to heart.  Maybe he turns a new leaf, and this is a good thing in the end.

Or, maybe he remains a sig-spammer and eventually gets found out.

Looking at the last thread where someone posed a question to hhampuz regarding his campaign management selection. The member appears to have received 6 red tags. The question appears to have been validated by verifiable evidence-based and compelling data.

The use of alts is to be celebrated and praised if they present objective evidence to substantiate their unpopular views, claims or questions.

The alt you are referring to posed a question that hhampuz answered in a very trustworthy and classy way. The thread increased my faith in hhampuz actually. If I were on that campaign I would likely not expect him to pay out. The reason he gave for not taking the btc upfront makes sense. This is going to have to be thought through more clearly if there are huge btc fluctuations and $ is part of the equation.

Not sure why yahoo is upset ?

Relax, it was a perfect and a reasonably inexpensive opportunity for hhampuz not get caught like this in a similar more expensive scenario, and to demonstrate he can be trusted to treat the participants fairly if things go wrong. Win Win.

I expect most will refuse payment or take a reduced pungent now they have heard his side.

I feel sorry about that, I think you still need to be more patient with such people,it is one of those things coordinating different heads entails, normally you cannot satisfy everybody. And no matter how much of your lungs you boil for people you still have ungrateful ones. You already detected the coward came through a new page, you have what it takes to fight him or her hands down,I have said it several times here that morals Should be a point in the forum.i hope it  be established one day.

It is almost like having a standard of evidence of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws before leaving a negative rating would solve a lot of these problems. I recall saying this before and being punished for it by you.

While I do agree with TECHSHARE and eddie13 as far as sometimes the wrong road is taken by users, I believe that a person shows much more character by having the balls to say what they feel without fear of retribution.

I can see the argument both ways and it's a total bullshit situation. Veteran forum users also need to stop being bitches as well. If I have been a bitch I apologize. I would rather see users treat other with more respect vs having a dick measuring contest on here.

If we keep going the way we are going, this place is going to be a warzone. Who wants that? What will we accomplish positively that way?

I'm not only defending Hhampuz, i'm trying to show users that hiding is not the way. This isn't the 1st post like this where someone has hidden behind an alt account.

If Hhampuz wanted to be a dick, he could look at the spreadsheet and blacklist everyone in the campaign. It's obviously 1 of the participants right? The person who made the post could hurt everyone if the manager felt like saying fuck it.

We cannot keep being negative here guys. It's not gonna do anything but push people away from bitcoin. The forum doesn't belong to 20 users, it belongs to everyone. I don't mean everyone owns bitcointalk. I'm just saying we need to open our eyes before it gets to the too late point.

I get Yahoo62278's point, though I also understand why Justice_ used an alt account to complain about not getting paid--if he did it from his main account, he likely thinks he's running the risk of being blacklisted.  

On the other hand, it's a ridiculous complaint to begin with since Hhampuz bears absolutely zero responsibility to pay campaign participants if the campaign wallet hasn't been topped up by the owners.  Frankly, I wouldn't worry about an alt account being used here and I'd just address his concerns on their merit.  Justice_ is obviously pissed off and it looks like he has a right to be--but he's directing his ire in the wrong direction; it should be aimed at blender.io and not Hhampuz.

Ah. Then I'd probably just let this rest, although Justice_ was being a bit of a jackoff by getting steamed at Hhampuz.  Yahoo62278 is just feeling the need to defend Hhampuz, that's my guess as to what's going on here.

Speaking anonymously is basically the main reason that alt accounts are allowed on this forum..

Users get attacked all the time for speaking out, get their entire post histories dug for anything to tag them for or ban them for.. All the time..

I would rather see a problem/question posted from an alt account than not at all..
Truth prevails no matter its source..

Unfortunately people abuse the trust system as a tool of retribution for speaking out. I don't blame them for using an alt to make that post. Many of the users here have repeatedly demonstrated their willingness to use the trust system as a tool to silence criticism from other users.

The problem isn't the situation or it being solved. The problem is pussies not having the balls to make a post without hiding.

I have no problem telling you you're an asshole from my account. You have no problem telling me what you feel either. That's how it should be handled everytime.  Whether we like or dislike each other, respect the person and the forum enough to say your thoughts or feelings without fear of retribution.

The situation has been resolved. What is the problem?