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Quote from: holydarkness on May 17, 2024, 03:00:03 PM

CasinoGuru does not mediate sportsbetting-related cases. They will not handle the case.

AskGamblers does mediation to sportsbetting-related cases, so yes, [to answer OP's question above about sport betting branch] they have that "branch", but apparently sportbet.one is not on their list.

I initially suggested a mediator because I take a quick look at AG and found sportbet is on their list. I didn't take a deeper look into their page. Upon looking at them just now, it came to my awareness that not only it's sportbet[dot]com [not [dot]one], it's also terminated from AG due to the lack of response.

There are other gambling ADR bodies besides AG and CG, but I also didn't find sportbet on them.

Thanks for the help anyway, probably a dead end now

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Quote from: Rating Place on May 16, 2024, 09:35:40 AM

is your case being heard at casinoguru or askgamblers yet?

Casinoguru emailed back saying they don't have a branch dealing with sports betting complaints.
Does askgamblers deal with sportsbetting complaints?

not sure but definitely try. They have been successful.

CasinoGuru does not mediate sportsbetting-related cases. They will not handle the case.

AskGamblers does mediation to sportsbetting-related cases, so yes, [to answer OP's question above about sport betting branch] they have that "branch", but apparently sportbet.one is not on their list.

I initially suggested a mediator because I take a quick look at AG and found sportbet is on their list. I didn't take a deeper look into their page. Upon looking at them just now, it came to my awareness that not only it's sportbet[dot]com [not [dot]one], it's also terminated from AG due to the lack of response.

There are other gambling ADR bodies besides AG and CG, but I also didn't find sportbet on them.

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Quote from: Rating Place on May 17, 2024, 07:53:42 AM

not sure but definitely try. They have been successful.

They don't seem to have sportbet.one on their list and doesn't let me create a case against them unless they are on the list of casinos.
Also looks like they do not have a sports betting branch.

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Quote from: Rating Place on May 16, 2024, 09:35:40 AM

is your case being heard at casinoguru or askgamblers yet?

Casinoguru emailed back saying they don't have a branch dealing with sports betting complaints.
Does askgamblers deal with sportsbetting complaints?

not sure but definitely try. They have been successful.

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Quote from: Rating Place on May 16, 2024, 09:35:40 AM

is your case being heard at casinoguru or askgamblers yet?

Casinoguru emailed back saying they don't have a branch dealing with sports betting complaints.
Does askgamblers deal with sportsbetting complaints?

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Quote from: Rating Place on May 16, 2024, 09:35:40 AM

is your case being heard at casinoguru or askgamblers yet?

I have a case open at casinoguru, it did not let me submit a complaint before but it worked now.

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Quote from: DGUDGUDGU on May 16, 2024, 09:23:52 AM

Quote from: Rating Place on May 16, 2024, 07:41:29 AM

You aren’t going to make the most profit buying back in house. If you are that good at predicting line movement then you should just be betting one side. There are sites out there that show arbs every day using two books. Some sites call it sure bets. Even if you do it your way and wait for movement, having a provider with different lines will be best. Most people that arb are putting up more than $200.

If the OP is getting a ton of money down on the same bets then he is multi-accounting or working as a team. Once again it comes down to looking at bet slips from all involved.

I have no idea what's even happening in this thread now.
I do not use a bot, I am not arbing, my bets are just value bets on mostly esports.
I did not multi-account, I signed up to sportsbets.one which the same email I signed up to bitcointalk 7 years ago.

I also do not understand bot betting as you mentioned I do before, I still don't believe this is a real thing lol

is your case being heard at casinoguru or askgamblers yet?

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Quote from: Rating Place on May 16, 2024, 07:41:29 AM

You aren’t going to make the most profit buying back in house. If you are that good at predicting line movement then you should just be betting one side. There are sites out there that show arbs every day using two books. Some sites call it sure bets. Even if you do it your way and wait for movement, having a provider with different lines will be best. Most people that arb are putting up more than $200.

If the OP is getting a ton of money down on the same bets then he is multi-accounting or working as a team. Once again it comes down to looking at bet slips from all involved.

I have no idea what's even happening in this thread now.
I do not use a bot, I am not arbing, my bets are just value bets on mostly esports.
I did not multi-account, I signed up to sportsbets.one which the same email I signed up to bitcointalk 7 years ago.

I also do not understand bot betting as you mentioned I do before, I still don't believe this is a real thing lol

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on May 16, 2024, 07:35:13 AM

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The books using the same provider use the same odds which means that you can’t arb. To arb the player uses books with different lines. Also when you arb you need to bet more than $200 on both sides to make it profitable. It is semantics in a way since value betting is the same argument for the book.

But you are right in that the book profiles the player, sets limits and the book gets that information. The OP gave us enough information in this thread to figure out what the book is looking at.

You are not wrong but I think you are not considering the odd changes.

Arbitrage betting needs patience. In an sport event odds are changing all the time. Going in favor of a side or against it depending on the information of the market. An arbitrage bettor waits for the changes and once it is in a good point for him to place another bet in the different side, they can easily use another sportsbook instead of the same one so that the same one can not blame him for arbitrage betting. It's much easier for the live match than the pre-match odd selection.

You aren’t going to make the most profit buying back in house. If you are that good at predicting line movement then you should just be betting one side. There are sites out there that show arbs every day using two books. Some sites call it sure bets. Even if you do it your way and wait for movement, having a provider with different lines will be best. Most people that arb are putting up more than $200.

If the OP is getting a ton of money down on the same bets then he is multi-accounting or working as a team. Once again it comes down to looking at bet slips from all involved.

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Quote from: Rating Place on May 16, 2024, 07:21:56 AM

The books using the same provider use the same odds which means that you can’t arb. To arb the player uses books with different lines. Also when you arb you need to bet more than $200 on both sides to make it profitable. It is semantics in a way since value betting is the same argument for the book.

But you are right in that the book profiles the player, sets limits and the book gets that information. The OP gave us enough information in this thread to figure out what the book is looking at.

You are not wrong but I think you are not considering the odd changes.

Arbitrage betting needs patience. In an sport event odds are changing all the time. Going in favor of a side or against it depending on the information of the market. An arbitrage bettor waits for the changes and once it is in a good point for him to place another bet in the different side, they can easily use another sportsbook instead of the same one so that the same one can not blame him for arbitrage betting. It's much easier for the live match than the pre-match odd selection.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on May 16, 2024, 07:07:03 AM

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The player's betting history says that the only two things he could be guilty of is multi-accounting or bot use. The player had a small limit in a small market and made max bets. The odds provider just profiled the player based on his betting history and set his limit. There's no need to get the odds provider involved unless there's a claim of a bad line. The book needs to prove bot betting or multi-accounting.

In the case of arbitrage betting for a sportsbook it's not possible to know if the player is arbitraging especially if he is using more than one betting platform. But the sports provider can detect it easily when the same player is using more than one sportsbook that they are working as provider.

Let's understand an example. Sportsbook A, B and C can have same sportsbook provider. A players is using all these sportsbook to bet in win - lose - win market to benefit from the odd. Individual sportsbook will have no data of what is happening in other two sportsbook but the provider can see all data together and easily can detect the player is benefiting from arbitrage betting. The provider flag the player and order all three sportsbook to ban the user from their platforms. Sportsbook have to accept it if they want to stay with the same provider.

The books using the same provider use the same odds which means that you can’t arb. To arb the player uses books with different lines. Also when you arb you need to bet more than $200 on both sides to make it profitable. And to prove a player arbs, KYC information would be needed at both books. It is semantics in a way since value betting is the same argument for the book. They are saying that the player could arb using another book if wanted.

But you are right in that the book profiles the player, sets limits and the book gets that information. The OP gave us enough information in this thread to figure out what the book is looking at.

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Quote from: Rating Place on May 15, 2024, 06:23:00 PM

The player's betting history says that the only two things he could be guilty of is multi-accounting or bot use. The player had a small limit in a small market and made max bets. The odds provider just profiled the player based on his betting history and set his limit. There's no need to get the odds provider involved unless there's a claim of a bad line. The book needs to prove bot betting or multi-accounting.

In the case of arbitrage betting for a sportsbook it's not possible to know if the player is arbitraging especially if he is using more than one betting platform. But the sports provider can detect it easily when the same player is using more than one sportsbook that they are working as provider.

Let's understand an example. Sportsbook A, B and C can have same sportsbook provider. A players is using all these sportsbook to bet in win - lose - win market to benefit from the odd. Individual sportsbook will have no data of what is happening in other two sportsbook but the provider can see all data together and easily can detect the player is benefiting from arbitrage betting. The provider flag the player and order all three sportsbook to ban the user from their platforms. Sportsbook have to accept it if they want to stay with the same provider.

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Quote from: holydarkness on May 13, 2024, 05:43:04 AM

Ahh, my apology for the confusion. I was not trying to say that they're different things [at least far as I know]. My post was intended to convey a message that there are several elements of these decentralized casinos that's still centralized [as explained further in paragraph 2]. If I may revise my first sentence, it would look like this,

"I don't think calling a web3 [decentralized] casinos as a decentralized casino is true to its core as in in a verbatim or extremely literal way, and can not be taken literally as a decentralized system, like dex exchange [forkdelta].They're more like a semi-anonymous casino, where player does not need to provide ID and can conveniently connect through wallets.
[...]"

It ensures I was not wrong 😂. I thought I messed up LOL
It's more clear now.

Quote from: holydarkness on May 13, 2024, 05:43:04 AM

Do you mind to provide them to an arbitrator, though? They can keep those evidence related to your algorithm private, just for the arbitrator's eyes, which they'll use to verify and validate your counter-accusation.

Per my knowledge when a sportsbook ban or penalty an account, it's not the sportsbook itself but the sportsbook provider who order the penalty. The sportsbook only response to it. I think it will be more easier for Sportbet.one to allow the arbitrator to communicate with their sportsbook provider.

Betting history from one sportsbook is not going to help to make a conclusion.

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The player's betting history says that the only two things he could be guilty of is multi-accounting or bot use. The player had a small limit in a small market and made max bets. The odds provider just profiled the player based on his betting history and set his limit. There's no need to get the odds provider involved unless there's a claim of a bad line. The book needs to prove bot betting or multi-accounting.

My goal in asking for betting history was to get the player cleared fast as in the last BC.game case.

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I took a look at the OP’s bets. He’s making pre-game bets on major football leagues. There’s no reason to multi-account. What caused the red flag to ask for KYC? I don’t know if you are using Veriff as a third party but they are pretty good with identity but this criminal behavior claim doesn’t seem to hold any validity. There’s no money laundering going on for this amount. If he did something at another book it doesn’t carry over to your book. Player should be paid from my point of view unless I’m missing something. This seems to be an overreach by Veriff or another third party being used.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5492899.20

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Quote from: holydarkness on May 13, 2024, 05:43:04 AM

Ahh, my apology for the confusion. I was not trying to say that they're different things [at least far as I know]. My post was intended to convey a message that there are several elements of these decentralized casinos that's still centralized [as explained further in paragraph 2]. If I may revise my first sentence, it would look like this,

"I don't think calling a web3 [decentralized] casinos as a decentralized casino is true to its core as in in a verbatim or extremely literal way, and can not be taken literally as a decentralized system, like dex exchange [forkdelta].They're more like a semi-anonymous casino, where player does not need to provide ID and can conveniently connect through wallets.
[...]"

It ensures I was not wrong 😂. I thought I messed up LOL
It's more clear now.

Quote from: holydarkness on May 13, 2024, 05:43:04 AM

Do you mind to provide them to an arbitrator, though? They can keep those evidence related to your algorithm private, just for the arbitrator's eyes, which they'll use to verify and validate your counter-accusation.

Per my knowledge when a sportsbook ban or penalty an account, it's not the sportsbook itself but the sportsbook provider who order the penalty. The sportsbook only response to it. I think it will be more easier for Sportbet.one to allow the arbitrator to communicate with their sportsbook provider.

Betting history from one sportsbook is not going to help to make a conclusion.

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Quote from: holydarkness on May 14, 2024, 12:06:19 PM

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Quote from: holydarkness on May 14, 2024, 11:34:18 AM

Umm... a tad bit curious and bemused, how exactly do you expect OP [or anyone else] to answer this?

The answer will most likely always a "no", even if someone actually did use bot. They fully aware that the usage of automated service is against the platform's rule, I don't think someone will admit such violation and dig their own grave.

Wouldn't it be easier and more transparent to analyze OP's betting history and rely on your analysis whether OP used bot or not instead of asking him that?

You are 100% right. He’s using Pinnacle and Bet365 so he’s probably just a value bettor. Sportsbet.one needs to prove he’s using a bot or pay him. The only thing that bothers me is that the OP is smarter than he’s portraying. He understands bot betting but I have no idea if he’s using a bot or not.

Couldn't his betting history tell us this? IIRC you said once about how certain pattern of bets [IIRC it was about a consecutive bets that's made on low market league, but my memory is very vague on it] can give us an idea whether a player manually placed their own bets or use automated service?

Betting history is always the first thing that I look at since it can easily clear a player. If a player is betting major markets at widely available lines, he’s not using a bot. It’s tougher to say a player is guilty when he’s value betting esports. This is an exact situation where bot players can live. We aren’t 100% sure if he’s finding the lines on his own or with a bot. If Sportsbet.one can’t prove bot use, then OP should be paid. Sports.one can then ban him if they don’t like his action.

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Quote from: holydarkness on May 14, 2024, 11:34:18 AM

Umm... a tad bit curious and bemused, how exactly do you expect OP [or anyone else] to answer this?

The answer will most likely always a "no", even if someone actually did use bot. They fully aware that the usage of automated service is against the platform's rule, I don't think someone will admit such violation and dig their own grave.

Wouldn't it be easier and more transparent to analyze OP's betting history and rely on your analysis whether OP used bot or not instead of asking him that?

You are 100% right. He’s using Pinnacle and Bet365 so he’s probably just a value bettor. Sportsbet.one needs to prove he’s using a bot or pay him. The only thing that bothers me is that the OP is smarter than he’s portraying. He understands bot betting but I have no idea if he’s using a bot or not.

Couldn't his betting history tell us this? IIRC you said once about how certain pattern of bets [IIRC it was about a consecutive bets that's made on low market league, but my memory is very vague on it] can give us an idea whether a player manually placed their own bets or use automated service?

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Quote from: holydarkness on May 14, 2024, 11:34:18 AM

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Quote from: holydarkness on May 12, 2024, 12:59:42 PM

Do you mind to provide them to an arbitrator, though? They can keep those evidence related to your algorithm private, just for the arbitrator's eyes, which they'll use to verify and validate your counter-accusation.

OP, suppose the casino are willing to get it escalated to an arbitrator, please choose one and stick to that one only. If you both agreed to a mediator, their findings and ruling will be considered final and bindings to both parties and you two should honor their decision.

That is fine by me, I'm willing to go along with that.

To make it easy, do you use bots? In a case like this that is normally the claim, electronic means.

edit, I hope that the OP isn't using a bot.

Umm... a tad bit curious and bemused, how exactly do you expect OP [or anyone else] to answer this?

The answer will most likely always a "no", even if someone actually did use bot. They fully aware that the usage of automated service is against the platform's rule, I don't think someone will admit such violation and dig their own grave.

Wouldn't it be easier and more transparent to analyze OP's betting history and rely on your analysis whether OP used bot or not instead of asking him that?

You are 100% right. He’s using Pinnacle and Bet365 so he’s probably just a value bettor. Sportsbet.one needs to prove he’s using a bot or pay him. The only thing that bothers me is that the OP is smarter than he’s portraying. He understands bot betting but I have no idea if he’s using a bot or not.

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Quote from: holydarkness on May 12, 2024, 12:59:42 PM

Do you mind to provide them to an arbitrator, though? They can keep those evidence related to your algorithm private, just for the arbitrator's eyes, which they'll use to verify and validate your counter-accusation.

OP, suppose the casino are willing to get it escalated to an arbitrator, please choose one and stick to that one only. If you both agreed to a mediator, their findings and ruling will be considered final and bindings to both parties and you two should honor their decision.

That is fine by me, I'm willing to go along with that.

To make it easy, do you use bots? In a case like this that is normally the claim, electronic means.

edit, I hope that the OP isn't using a bot.

Umm... a tad bit curious and bemused, how exactly do you expect OP [or anyone else] to answer this?

The answer will most likely always a "no", even if someone actually did use bot. They fully aware that the usage of automated service is against the platform's rule, I don't think someone will admit such violation and dig their own grave.

Wouldn't it be easier and more transparent to analyze OP's betting history and rely on your analysis whether OP used bot or not instead of asking him that?

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Quote from: DGUDGUDGU on May 14, 2024, 04:51:48 AM

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I know lots of cases where people have used bots. Bad line would be a line of 2.58 but they mistakenly put up 3.58. This type of bet should be voided. I forget what the normal percentage is that's used but normally they use what should be the no vig line and if it's off by a certain percentage then it's a bad line. I'm searching for an article that explains it much better than I'm doing here.

Okay like a stale line I see what you mean, no I didn't bet on any of those.
Their prematch sportsodds are just pinnacles lines and their live odds are the same as bet365.
Not sure if they use the same software or are scraping the odds, but it's all the same shit.

Not really much 'abuse' I can do there, if I could beat pinnacle or 365 live using a bot I would move countries and become a millionaire.

If you are betting Pinnacle and Bet365 lines then they should pay you in full. Sportsbet.one probably uses their API.

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Quote from: Rating Place on May 14, 2024, 04:16:45 AM

I know lots of cases where people have used bots. Bad line would be a line of 2.58 but they mistakenly put up 3.58. This type of bet should be voided. I forget what the normal percentage is that's used but normally they use what should be the no vig line and if it's off by a certain percentage then it's a bad line. I'm searching for an article that explains it much better than I'm doing here.

Okay like a stale line I see what you mean, no I didn't bet on any of those.
Their prematch sportsodds are just pinnacles lines and their live odds are the same as bet365.
Not sure if they use the same software or are scraping the odds, but it's all the same shit.

Not really much 'abuse' I can do there, if I could beat pinnacle or 365 live using a bot I would move countries and become a millionaire.

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