Topic: Sportbet.one $1494 scam - page 2. (Read 398 times)

I know lots of cases where people have used bots. Bad line would be a line of 2.58 but they mistakenly put up 3.58. This type of bet should be voided. I forget what the normal percentage is that's used but normally they use what should be the no vig line and if it's off by a certain percentage then it's a bad line. I'm searching for an article that explains it much better than I'm doing here.

I have spoken to a lot of profitable bettors in the betting world and not one person has ever mentioned something like a betting bot that just wins you money.
How would this even work? I've been betting for a living for 6 years now and I can tell you this is not a real thing.
Unless you mean a betting model that runs data and gives projections, but I don't think this is what you mean either.

Also can you elaborate on betting into bad lines? For example in my cancelled bets Seattle Surge @ 2.58 I would say is a value bet.
Am I not allowed to bet this line on their site because I think they have priced an incorrect line?

A lot of people do use bots. Doesn't seem you are doing anything wrong unless these lines are way off where you are betting into bad lines.

I am not using a bot.
I don't even think there's such thing as a bot which can place value bets, how would that even work?
Sounds like something made up by betting sites

To make it easy, do you use bots? In a case like this that is normally the claim, electronic means.

edit, I hope that the OP isn't using a bot.

That is fine by me, I'm willing to go along with that.

Ahh, my apology for the confusion. I was not trying to say that they're different things [at least far as I know]. My post was intended to convey a message that there are several elements of these decentralized casinos that's still centralized [as explained further in paragraph 2]. If I may revise my first sentence, it would look like this,

"I don't think calling a web3 [decentralized] casinos as a decentralized casino is true to its core as in in a verbatim or extremely literal way, and can not be taken literally as a decentralized system, like dex exchange [forkdelta].They're more like a semi-anonymous casino, where player does not need to provide ID and can conveniently connect through wallets.
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Do you mind to provide them to an arbitrator, though? They can keep those evidence related to your algorithm private, just for the arbitrator's eyes, which they'll use to verify and validate your counter-accusation.

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OP, suppose the casino are willing to get it escalated to an arbitrator, please choose one and stick to that one only. If you both agreed to a mediator, their findings and ruling will be considered final and bindings to both parties and you two should honor their decision.

It’s nice that you jumped in the thread but you have to give us more than this if we are to agree with you. He’s making limit bets in esports. This means if he’s cheating he’s almost always using a bot. Is bot use what you are accusing him of? If not he’s innocent.

Of course there are other things that can go in conjunction with bot betting such as multi-accounting making the exact same limit wagers but it really comes down to bot use or proof or multi-accounting.

No one needs to know your algorithm but we need the exact allegation instead of a blanket accusation. The OP can’t defend himself if he doesn’t know the exact allegation.

@OP and logfiles, thanks for the clarification.

It's my first compliant but yeah I posted on their official megathread thing.
Their limits on esports are whatever I was betting, most of the time betting the max I could.

The issue with esportsbet.io was never resolved, I got scammed for 1.2btc by them.

good talk! glad you had a lot to add here

Thank you for the info, I will try that out!

Hi guys. The OP has clarified everything by himself. Nothing to add... We can't disclose how our fraud detection algorithm works.

It's his first compliant against Sportsbet.one as far as I know. There is a duplicate complaint in their ANN thread too. OP's very first complaint against a casino in this forum was involving Esportsbet.io though we don't know if the issue got resolved.

Is this your second complaint against Sportsbet.one? Looking at your bet slips I've seen this one before. Do you know what their limits are for esports?

I thought decentralized and web3 are the same thing. I must had a confusion in differentiating these two [if they are two]. What's the difference?

I don't think calling a web3 casinos as a decentralized casinos is true to its core. They're more like a semi-anonymous casino, where player does not need to provide ID and can conveniently connect through wallets.

However, much like you said, some elements are still centralized. They still pool funds [and I assume they have full control of this pool] to take from loses and pay the winnings, and they still collect sensitive data like device fingerprints and IPs to identify abusers, of which the data [I am somewhat sure] are stored centralizedly.

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OP, if perhaps the discussion here is a bit unclear to you due to your unfamiliarity with CasinoGuru and other arbitrators, they act as a mediator where casino and player can share private information in confidence to get situations sorted out.

Many casinos prefer to get things resolved through such platforms when they have to provide sensitive data like their method of detection, their findings of multi-acc, or KYC-related issues due to an option that's offered by the platform where evidences can only be seen by limited eyes.

As such, as other suggested several times on this thread, perhaps you're interested to escalate things to CG, and sportbet.one's team are willing to share their findings with the arbitrator to get validated and verified.

I don't know how decentralized casino, sportsbook truly works but I never seen a gambling platform which is decentralized and there are no centralized developer team. Even with bitwinup there are some sort of control from the developer although the transactions are happening on chain.

What’s ironic to this casino was they are claiming that they are the first decentralized casino yet they still let users create an account and deposit on it first that makes it still centralized because they have control on the users funds.

The thing is, arbitrage betting is very hard to deny once casino already accused you with this because they will not disclose the evidence in the public unless they allow to discuss this issue on mediator website like Casinoguru.

It's not your fault if you are a real victim. This place has a lot of history to bring justice for the victims, on the other hand there are a lot of cases where people abused the generosity of the forum members and tried to take advantage to steal from sportsbook and sportsbook was the victim.

Someone here already said, you can reach to askgamblers and try to resolve the case there. Perhaps they have special authority to bring some information for you.

The live chat doesn't save any conversations on my side.

So everyone is now guilty until proven innocent, do you know how much power this gives casinos?

Is there a 3rd party who can verify their claims, surely something like that must exist.

I have been seeing some scam accusations come up against this casino in the recent times and I wonder what the casino representatives in the forum are up to. The last few complaints in their ANN have not got proper answers. Such cases are hard to resolve since we don't know much about the findings that show that you abused the games.

OP you can also raise a complaint on askgamblers and see if they can share how you violated the TOS to the mediators - www.askgamblers.com