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If i understand right, betting arbitrage is not about analysis matches - it is mostly about analysis odds. You don`t need any information about teams. As for me the main problem is to find software, that can automize searching arbitrage situation and betting process. If it will make some kind of bot - you will get stable profit. But the same time you need big deposit for betting.

You are right friend about the Arbitration strategy in betting which does not require any information about any team as can be read here about what Arbitrage is.

I just said above that I only like football betting which I do using my analysis which is a hobby of this type of sport so that it makes it easier for me to match the analysis with the odds available on the betting site. In football betting with my own strategy, always avoid parlay bets. Even if I play parlay, the bets I choose are not many.
In the second paragraph I said maybe the strategy was complicated because I wasn't familiar with it.

Nice to see someone actually running away from parlay bets because here that am actually staying this type of bet is all that the gamblers know how to bet because they tend to bet with the optimism that they are going get a miraculous win from their parlay bet of sometimes 20 to 30 selection. I don't know how accurate arbitrage betting is with soccer but I know my who does this type of bet uses alot of funds and also have multiple betting account for this .

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Quote from: mak013 on January 11, 2024, 10:01:07 AM

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Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on January 07, 2024, 04:14:51 AM

Sports betting arbitrage is a strategy in which a player takes advantage of discrepancies in the odds offered by sportbetting sites to obtain profit. Have any of you tried to make money this way? what difficulties did you encounter? What bookmakers did you use? Have any of you had problems with bookmakers because of this? Why does it bother them anyway?

Football betting and only rely on analysis and don't be tempted by the size of the odds. Always try to avoid parlay bets that often fail to win because one prediction does not match the result.
If the odds are sufficient to bet on the site I play on, I immediately step on the gas and just wait for the results.

Arbitrage is complicated for me. Maybe because you are used to how to bet on football betting using analysis for each match. This method is still very comfortable for me.

If i understand right, betting arbitrage is not about analysis matches - it is mostly about analysis odds. You don`t need any information about teams. As for me the main problem is to find software, that can automize searching arbitrage situation and betting process. If it will make some kind of bot - you will get stable profit. But the same time you need big deposit for betting.

It is not as easy as you think,, If i talk about our general sports betting, through this, as happiness, joy, thrilling atmosphere are being created as well as one's own destiny is being tested. Perhaps it can be compared to gambling. Just as in gambling, players bet a certain amount of money, here also in different sports like cricket, football, tennis, they bet for different teams. And in this way, if your betting team wins, you will win on the other hand you will lose money if your team loses.

Another aspect is arbitration. With arbitrage betting, gamblers take advantage of guaranteed profits at various online betting sites. However, it should also be remembered that using bots will result in bans and even account termination. Bots cannot be used to get support for your bets, it's related to scamming actually. And here you have to know how to take risks because you have to bet a relatively large amount of money compared to the amount of profit.

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Quote from: mak013 on January 11, 2024, 10:01:07 AM

Quote from: yudi09 on January 10, 2024, 11:09:27 AM

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If i understand right, betting arbitrage is not about analysis matches - it is mostly about analysis odds. You don`t need any information about teams. As for me the main problem is to find software, that can automize searching arbitrage situation and betting process. If it will make some kind of bot - you will get stable profit. But the same time you need big deposit for betting.

You are right friend about the Arbitration strategy in betting which does not require any information about any team as can be read here about what Arbitrage is.

I just said above that I only like football betting which I do using my analysis which is a hobby of this type of sport so that it makes it easier for me to match the analysis with the odds available on the betting site. In football betting with my own strategy, always avoid parlay bets. Even if I play parlay, the bets I choose are not many.
In the second paragraph I said maybe the strategy was complicated because I wasn't familiar with it.

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Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on January 07, 2024, 04:14:51 AM

Sports betting arbitrage is a strategy in which a player takes advantage of discrepancies in the odds offered by sportbetting sites to obtain profit. Have any of you tried to make money this way? what difficulties did you encounter? What bookmakers did you use? Have any of you had problems with bookmakers because of this? Why does it bother them anyway?

Football betting and only rely on analysis and don't be tempted by the size of the odds. Always try to avoid parlay bets that often fail to win because one prediction does not match the result.
If the odds are sufficient to bet on the site I play on, I immediately step on the gas and just wait for the results.

Arbitrage is complicated for me. Maybe because you are used to how to bet on football betting using analysis for each match. This method is still very comfortable for me.

If i understand right, betting arbitrage is not about analysis matches - it is mostly about analysis odds. You don`t need any information about teams. As for me the main problem is to find software, that can automize searching arbitrage situation and betting process. If it will make some kind of bot - you will get stable profit. But the same time you need big deposit for betting.

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Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on January 07, 2024, 04:14:51 AM

Sports betting arbitrage is a strategy in which a player takes advantage of discrepancies in the odds offered by sportbetting sites to obtain profit. Have any of you tried to make money this way? what difficulties did you encounter? What bookmakers did you use? Have any of you had problems with bookmakers because of this? Why does it bother them anyway?

Football betting and only rely on analysis and don't be tempted by the size of the odds. Always try to avoid parlay bets that often fail to win because one prediction does not match the result.
If the odds are sufficient to bet on the site I play on, I immediately step on the gas and just wait for the results.

Arbitrage is complicated for me. Maybe because you are used to how to bet on football betting using analysis for each match. This method is still very comfortable for me.

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I tried several times. The profit is too small as for me. You must have big deposit, no limits for betting and at least one more big deposit to move it fast to some casino with the other odds. I tried basketball, the result was about 0,01-0,02 per one game.
I heard that there is some software for searching such odds, but haven`t use it. With special software it may be more interesting.

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Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on January 08, 2024, 03:14:15 AM

Thank you all for your advice and opinions. To sum up your posts it can be said, that technically it's achievable, but the profits are small, there are many risks, the main of which is the need to keep a large amount of funds in many casinos and the risk of freezing the account, because casinos are very sensitive to such strategies. But I still don't fully understand why. After all, the casino is only an operator, and the provider is only an intermediary between players and not the other party to the bet. Am I wrong here?

As I mentioned in my earlier post, many of the posters in this thread are clueless about arbing and posted a lot of gibberish. If you did your research properly, you would have learnt that the only major risk to arbing is getting limited.

Very, very few sites tend to ban arbitrageurs and steal their funds. Also, bets don't get voided because of arbing. They get voided because of match fixing, player injuries etc.

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I've tried this on XFUN recently, and it didn't really work that well lol. I prefer the set your own odds feature they have now to arbitrage

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Basically, casinos don't like arbitrageurs. Of course, this and even greater time costs for a very modest reward. It is also worth considering the transaction fees, both for making a deposit and withdrawals. Arbitrage - it is also time to maintain tables to take into account various factors (otherwise you can very quickly go into the minus)

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 08, 2024, 06:42:44 AM

I'm not entirely sure if sports-betting markets are wholly made of liquidity just from the pockets of the bettors. I believe the betting company must place their own money on one side of the bet or the other to keep the market balanced if there isn't enough money from the users to take the other side of the bet.

Isn't it the case that these sites don't have to be balanced and most of them aren't? that if there is, for example, $1 million in customer funds for a win and $100,000 for a loss, then we simply have a total of $1.1 million in bets, 50k takes the casino as its fee, 1.05 million remains, so if our team wins for each $1 in bet, we get 1.05 $ back, and if we bet on the team loss and we win we get $10.5 back for each $1 in bet?

So if an arbitrageur comes in and bets $100,000 on teamX lose, it just changes the win/loss statistics and doesn't change how much the casino earns? So it changes the distribution of winnings between bettors and makes money from it?

Am I wrong here?

Quote from: Wind_FURY on January 08, 2024, 06:42:44 AM

Plus because professional arbers always win, that means they are a net-loss to the betting company because they could consistently withdraw money out of the betting company's pool of liquidity.

As I understand sports betting, the arbitrageur's profits are constant and certain, as you wrote, but they do not reduce the casino's profits but, for example, reduce the winnings of those betting on X by $1,000, increase the winnings of those betting on Y by 990$ and they get $10 out of it for themselves.

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Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on January 07, 2024, 04:52:07 AM

Quote from: Oshosondy on January 07, 2024, 04:27:12 AM

That bothers the gambling site? How can someone bet on all the odd category like team 1 win, draw and team 2 win and still win some money. No bookmarker will want that.

but with sportbetting, my winnings do not come from the casino's pocket, but from the pockets of other bettors. The casino only acts as an intermediary and sets the rate. Binance has never given me any problems with the fact that I make money on the their exchange, because I make money at the expense of those who lose and not at the expense of Binance, for Binance I am only volume (on which they make money) and additional liquidity (which attracts other traders). Isn't it the same with sportbetting?

I'm not entirely sure if sports-betting markets are wholly made of liquidity just from the pockets of the bettors. I believe the betting company must place their own money on one side of the bet or the other to keep the market balanced if there isn't enough money from the users to take the other side of the bet.

Plus because professional arbers always win, that means they are a net-loss to the betting company because they could consistently withdraw money out of the betting company's pool of liquidity.

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Thank you all for your advice and opinions. To sum up your posts it can be said, that technically it's achievable, but the profits are small, there are many risks, the main of which is the need to keep a large amount of funds in many casinos and the risk of freezing the account, because casinos are very sensitive to such strategies. But I still don't fully understand why. After all, the casino is only an operator, and the provider is only an intermediary between players and not the other party to the bet. Am I wrong here?

Quote from: Sunderland on January 07, 2024, 12:27:58 PM

And if the provider detects Arb betting, they will void the bet and the casino definitely will not pay the user.
Arb betting guarantee that the user will always get profits 100% as long as the user pick the right odds.
If Arb betting is legal, then many gamblers will do arb betting instead of placing a normal bet and that means less profits or even a loss for the providers.

It seems to me that those who come to casino to gamble are not the same ones who come to arbitrage. what I mean is that by blocking arbitrageurs you are unlikely to turn them into new customers who bet on matches.

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Quote from: bitbollo on January 07, 2024, 06:25:47 AM

and risking that a winning bet is not paid (no one likes the arbitrage). Are you sure it's really worth it?

I wanted to try it in the past, but I looked for ways that arbitrage can make me make money on gambling sites but I was unable to find it profitable. I do not know if their are some sports that it can be profitable for as for the ones that I have used to gamble before, arbitrage gambling is not profitable as I have read about it online.

Quote from: Kakmakr on January 08, 2024, 01:53:59 AM

I do not know if you noticed a lot of forum threads on this forum, where people participated in Sports betting and then got their accounts and withdrawals blocked.

The casinos use more or less the same Sportbook operators and they keep logs. So your IP address or Mac address are monitored and flagged, when you do this. So, one moment everything is working fine, until your account gets flagged and then blocked.

If you want to do arbitrage in gambling, you do not have to use the same bookmakers, you have to use different bookmakers for the different odds that you want to choose. With this, all the bookmakers will not be able to notice anything.

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I do not know if you noticed a lot of forum threads on this forum, where people participated in Sports betting and then got their accounts and withdrawals blocked.

The casinos use more or less the same Sportbook operators and they keep logs. So your IP address or Mac address are monitored and flagged, when you do this. So, one moment everything is working fine, until your account gets flagged and then blocked.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on January 07, 2024, 12:13:20 PM

For arbitrage betting you won't need to be a genius. You need to give time. It takes a lot of time to find suitable odds. There are also odd comparison sites which can help you.
First you need to have a lot of time, then you need to have accounts with different sportsbook but you need to be aware that these sportsbooks are not using same providers. Once you have these two, arbitrage betting is simple.

I know there are sites like this for odds comparison like https://www.bestodds.ai/ . It has an announcement thread but now is a dead project.

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Problem is, many sportsbook will not accept you if they find out you are arbitraging. They will not pay you. If the sportsbook is highly reputable then they may return your deposit. At the end you will find, everything was wasted.

I don't suggest anyone to do arbitrage betting.

I knew this risk because I read many scam accusations from Arbitrage Sports gamblers and answers from big casinos that they detected those bets and did not accept it because their Terms of Services are against Arbitrage Betting.

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I found so many posts in this thread silly and nonsensical. They don't really know much about arbitrage betting and are stating hilarious stuff. As a seasoned arber myself, I can confidently say that it's certainly doable, but it has its limitations.

Firstly, sportsbooks don't ban arbers. They limit them. Secondly, I have earned decent profits using this strategy with small-moderate amounts and never got limited.

My favorite arbing software is surebet and I usually stick to popular markets in order to avoid getting limited.

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Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on January 07, 2024, 04:14:51 AM

Sports betting arbitrage is a strategy in which a player takes advantage of discrepancies in the odds offered by sportbetting sites to obtain profit. Have any of you tried to make money this way?

I have never tried to make profit with sports betting arbitrage or with crypto-currency arbitrage because they're not going to be helpful for long term success. I know that some players can take advantage of the odds offered by different sports betting sites to secure some profit but such actions are highly disliked by the casinos and the users may get banned if the casinos get information about their arbitraging.

In fact I would suggest everyone to avoid it because you may end up loosing your account if you do sports arbitrage. It's far better to be safe then to make some money and risk our accounts. It's a very bad idea and anyone who does that will get caught surely because you can't really hide such things from casinos for long term.

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Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on January 07, 2024, 04:14:51 AM

Sports betting arbitrage is a strategy in which a player takes advantage of discrepancies in the odds offered by sportbetting sites to obtain profit. Have any of you tried to make money this way? what difficulties did you encounter? What bookmakers did you use? Have any of you had problems with bookmakers because of this? Why does it bother them anyway?

Sports arbitrage is one of those betting strategies that is completely banned by most online gambling casinos, it's just like some other users have said here in their comments, that there have been alot of scam accusations against some major, and even small casinos on this forum by some of their users, and at the end of the day, we discover that the casino banned their accounts and seized their balance because the player was engaging in sports betting arbitrage.

This is something Ive never tried myself, and needless say that I don't even know how it's done or how to be successful in it, and since it's something that is not smiled upon by most casino, it's not worth learning or trying, I can't risk both my money and my account for a profit that isn't even going to make me an instant dollar millionaire like I so desire to become one.

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Quote from: Tytanowy Janusz on January 07, 2024, 05:30:24 AM

I'm not talking about making money on roulette, dice or other games of chance. Here, the casino is the opposing party to the transaction (it earns when we lose and loses when we earn) and agrees to it because it has a statistical advantage. In the case of sportbetting, this is not the case, because the casino owner would bear too much risk because it is impossible to perfectly estimate the probability of each match. Therefore, in the case of sportbetting, the casino is only an intermediary between bettors sets the odds based on how others bet, only adding their fees to the formula. A casino is not, or at least should not be, a party to a transaction in which the probability cannot be accurately calculated, because at that point it ceases to be a casino and begins to be a gambler.
Just like playing poker online. Casinos don't ban people who win too much at poker...

No bro, what you are talking about is pool betting or parimutuel betting and it's not the same as what you can find on common sportsbooks because odds are not fixed, they evolve with the stakes of bettors on each sides. So unlike when you bet with a bookmaker, if no one has bet on the other side, you wont win anything, and the settling odds will be 1.00 in decimal format. When you bet on a classic sportbook, if the bookmaker has offered you 2.00 odds on one outcome, he will pay your winnings according to those odds even if nobody bet on the other side.

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Odds are provided by the game providers and for sure there is no difference in odds on various casino and bookie's reason is because most of them almost have same template as to what odds are displayed for various games and how best to use them, as at that I believe that, casinos have the rules that guide each performance in the market and how best their offers their odds.

But if it is in House games where the casinos are the sole game providers, it becomes very easy and simple for them to control the odds on those games and at most their make out a jackpot from them time to time.

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