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Quote from: Trofo on November 17, 2019, 04:30:57 PM

This information that Asian 0 is equal to draw no bet could be very profitable. From the example mentioned above I have a feeling that the odds are much better than what fiat betting sites usually offer for draw no bet markets. Draw no bet is usually just a little bit higher than double chance which was always a nonsense for me since that doesn't offer any value.

yeah it's the same and most of the times the odds for +/-0 are better than betting draw no bet , for example if you check Greece vs Finland you will see draw no bet odds are 1.42/2.7 but for asian handicap 0 they become 1.47/2.87 ( see the huge difference even in the same site ? )

we discussed this thing a little in another thread how sometimes same options can have different odds , feel free to check it if you have time
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/different-odds-for-a-same-bet-5200950

so understanding all the betting options that the book offers will make you much more money long run , even if someone finds himself don't need to bet Asian handicap he will still be making more money if he understand it since a lot of the casual bets can be covered with the handicap ( Moneyline , Doublechance and draw no bet )

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Thanks to SyGambler and DarkStar_ for Asian handicaps explanations. This was more than enough for me to get grasp on them.

This information that Asian 0 is equal to draw no bet could be very profitable. From the example mentioned above I have a feeling that the odds are much better than what fiat betting sites usually offer for draw no bet markets. Draw no bet is usually just a little bit higher than double chance which was always a nonsense for me since that doesn't offer any value.

I'll make a comparison on the next interesting game to see how big of a difference it actually is and if it is worth to include this market in my "favorite list".

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on November 17, 2019, 02:22:47 PM

I never understood this handicap market very well. It's confusing to me even I am a regular gambler. Always avoided this market :-D

And since I become a part of this conversation from this post, can anyone help me to understand what this odds means for this market below:

I know when we take anything seriously we figure it out finally.

it looks hard at first but with time and little bit of betting it becomes easy , have you tried googling it ? I will try explaining it a little bit but I don't think I will give any better answers than google

in the screenshot you posted here is what Asianhandicap means :

Albania +0.5/+1 ( in other sites you may see it +0.75 ) means that your stake will be split in half , like if you bet 100$ on that game 50$ will be at +0.5 and the other 50 will be at +1
the +0.5 means you want the team to be ahead by half a goal , so you need the team to win or draw
the +1 means that you are adding to that team 1 goal , if the teams win you win the bet if it loses by 1 goal you get a refund and if it loses by more than one goal you lose the bet

the +1/+1.5 ( in other sites +1.25 ) apply the same concept before so now you are splitting the stake on +1 and +1.5

the opposite goes for negative

I really don't know how to put it in simple words actually but try quickly googling it and if you didn't understand any part let me know through pm and I will help you with that

the european handicap is much more confusing IMO

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There are tons of games that are "easy to pick" but also the results are quite in for most of the teams so I don't know if they will play with a winning mindset or not. For example we have Portugal versus Luxembourg, do you have any single doubt that Portugal may lose? I don't see that at all, just to compare it to trading there are very few traders who would say no to a guaranteed 7% return, that is literally one day 7% increase in your portfolio.

But, gamblers are different, they know the risks, Portugal HAS TO win this game, they are just one point above Serbia and Serbia is playing Ukraine, Ukraine doesn't care anymore because they are the leaders by 5 points so they already ended the game, do we take the risk or do we just not go for that 7% return? Tough question.

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Yup, I hate asian handicaps as well. I always Google it before placing a bet, especially the 0.25 ones. It just does not make any sense to me Grin

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on November 17, 2019, 01:53:15 PM

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Asian Handicap of +/- 0 is both equivalent to Draw No Bet. You're referring to a 0.25 handicap which is split between the 0.5 and 0 handicaps.

I never understood this handicap market very well. It's confusing to me even I am a regular gambler. Always avoided this market :-D

And since I become a part of this conversation from this post, can anyone help me to understand what this odds means for this market below:

I know when we take anything seriously we figure it out finally.

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Generally yes, but Sportsbet today Asian handicap for Ukraine (-0) is 2.75 whereas moneyline is 3.75 (huge difference). But for under 0.5 goals it is 11.00 and for 0-0 score it is 9.40. This is on sportsbet.

That is not the same bet. I believe that Asisan handicap 0 means that you put half of your stake towards win and half towards draw, so you would get something back even if Ukraine doesn't win. Generally whole number Asian handicaps mean something more and you should check exactly what you are playing. You are safe to play .5 handicaps they work same as regular ones so less confusion there.

Asian Handicap of +/- 0 is both equivalent to Draw No Bet. You're referring to a 0.25 handicap which is split between the 0.5 and 0 handicaps.

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Quote from: buwaytress on November 17, 2019, 11:08:26 AM

Quote from: Trofo on November 17, 2019, 10:20:06 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on November 17, 2019, 09:57:32 AM

Generally yes, but Sportsbet today Asian handicap for Ukraine (-0) is 2.75 whereas moneyline is 3.75 (huge difference). But for under 0.5 goals it is 11.00 and for 0-0 score it is 9.40. This is on sportsbet.

That is not the same bet. I believe that Asisan handicap 0 means that you put half of your stake towards win and half towards draw, so you would get something back even if Ukraine doesn't win. Generally whole number Asian handicaps mean something more and you should check exactly what you are playing. You are safe to play .5 handicaps they work same as regular ones so less confusion there.

My understanding of Asian handicap that you're talking about is is +0.25, where half is 0 and half is +0.5, so is this what Sportsbet does with -0?

So okay, now I know -0 in Sportsbet means +0.25?

I am not sure either, we should definitely check that. Maybe Steve will come along and shed some light on this. That was my "educated guess" based on the odds difference and knowing about splitting the stake when using some Asian handicaps.

For now it is enough that I know what .5 handicaps stand for and I am using them often since they provide better odds than double chance.

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Quote from: Trofo on November 17, 2019, 10:20:06 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on November 17, 2019, 09:57:32 AM

Generally yes, but Sportsbet today Asian handicap for Ukraine (-0) is 2.75 whereas moneyline is 3.75 (huge difference). But for under 0.5 goals it is 11.00 and for 0-0 score it is 9.40. This is on sportsbet.

That is not the same bet. I believe that Asisan handicap 0 means that you put half of your stake towards win and half towards draw, so you would get something back even if Ukraine doesn't win. Generally whole number Asian handicaps mean something more and you should check exactly what you are playing. You are safe to play .5 handicaps they work same as regular ones so less confusion there.

My understanding of Asian handicap that you're talking about is is +0.25, where half is 0 and half is +0.5, so is this what Sportsbet does with -0?

So okay, now I know -0 in Sportsbet means +0.25?

That's definitely confusing, so good thing I don't do much Asian handicap if at all!

Either way, damn Serbia. Lost my parlay cause Ukraine couldn't win but I guess all those betting on Serbia as favourites also lost!

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Quote from: cryptofrka on November 17, 2019, 10:51:28 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on November 17, 2019, 09:57:32 AM

But for under 0.5 goals it is 11.00 and for 0-0 score it is 9.40. This is on sportsbet.

See? I have never seen something like this anywhere else. Wherever I played before, these odds are always identical.
Is it a promo pair of some sort or does it happen all the time?

This is actually not only happening on sportsbet - you can find such examples every day at every bookmaker actually when it comes to asians --> which is also why you should always have a close look so you take the best odds! Cool

Side note: Even though I have been placing bets for more than 15 years now, I have never understood WHY the bookies are doing that. Been discussing this with fellow bettors many times and nobody could explain 100%. Cheesy

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Quote from: buwaytress on November 17, 2019, 09:57:32 AM

But for under 0.5 goals it is 11.00 and for 0-0 score it is 9.40. This is on sportsbet.

See? I have never seen something like this anywhere else. Wherever I played before, these odds are always identical.
Is it a promo pair of some sort or does it happen all the time?

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Germany is playing against Belarus tonight and I am expecting a comfortable victory with lots of goals. Over 4 goals @ 1.9 look good. Any thoughts?

Over 4 goals might seem a bit much, you’re needing 5 goals in that match to win the bet. I dunno, seems a bit risky.

Well I am really not afraid of loosing I am more worried that we will see just four goals so we have a push. 😂

Lucky you got a 4 goals but only from the german side. Atleast you did not lose the bet and got back your stake.

Quote from: XarXymtroa on November 17, 2019, 01:00:50 AM

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Kane should be good for a few goals, so maybe England scores 4-5, leaving 9-10 needed corners.

In tottenhams last match kane had trouble even to get a goal. Most of the spurs shots hit the crossbar and I had over 3.5 goals on them alone and they didnt even hit for the squad.
Even if england scored 9 goals last time I watched them I doubt they can repeat this performance. Undecided

Could have easily ended 6:2 or so... Cheesy

Belarus even missed a penalty in the second half. Well, thats the game isnt it... Germany pushed hard in the beginning, chance after chance but didnt score early.

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@GekkeBelg - I placed a live bet yesterday from 1st try. Usually it takes 2-3 tries maximum and I don't even have the 'accept all odds' thing marked.

I don't want to make conclusions and say it's a problem on your end, I'm just providing feedback that I do not have these issues.

How many seconds does it take in between you pressing the "place bet" button and the actual confirmation that the bet is succesfully placed? Also 14 seconds approx like me? Can you time it next time you place a soccer live bet?

Yeah, "live" betting has always been a small amount of issue ever since it started, there are tons of reasons I can think of but the only way we can get an answer would have been some sort of community manager or whatever sportsbet has that can come here and answer and we all know they are not doing that frequently.

Don't get me wrong they have an awesome regular betting and I have never faced any "problems" on live betting that was like a real issue that I lost money, hell it is on contrary sometimes it could even save me money. In the end we try to bet and fail, now that means if my bet went through I could have won but also lost money as well, sometimes it happens on either side so I am not really complaining at all, it is however a deal they should take care eventually.

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Quote from: buwaytress on November 17, 2019, 09:57:32 AM

Generally yes, but Sportsbet today Asian handicap for Ukraine (-0) is 2.75 whereas moneyline is 3.75 (huge difference). But for under 0.5 goals it is 11.00 and for 0-0 score it is 9.40. This is on sportsbet.

That is not the same bet. I believe that Asisan handicap 0 means that you put half of your stake towards win and half towards draw, so you would get something back even if Ukraine doesn't win. Generally whole number Asian handicaps mean something more and you should check exactly what you are playing. You are safe to play .5 handicaps they work same as regular ones so less confusion there.

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Quote from: Trofo on November 16, 2019, 10:48:47 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on November 16, 2019, 09:47:04 AM

I see this all the time, every bookie that tries to cover all the lines will have the slight odd differences.

My favorite local fiat bookie never has different odds for same outcome so it was a surprise for me as well. I often play double chance on outsider in football and recently I found out that Asian handicap 0.5 which is the same stuff gives much better odds at Sportsbet.
Example Russia today:
Double chance: 1,68
Asian 0.5: 1,77

Well no biggie I'll use Asians in the future

Generally yes, but Sportsbet today Asian handicap for Ukraine (-0) is 2.75 whereas moneyline is 3.75 (huge difference). But for under 0.5 goals it is 11.00 and for 0-0 score it is 9.40. This is on sportsbet.

Staying away from the specials today and banking on Ukraine to stamp their authority and just finish the group emphatically. The bookies are counting on them to rest key players and play experimental football though! Serbia are of course no pushovers and want to win this hoping for Portugal to slip up, so you never know!

Anyway, 1-1 at half time wasn't so bad, seems pretty even and unlucky to give away the penalty to the Serbs.

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Germany is playing against Belarus tonight and I am expecting a comfortable victory with lots of goals. Over 4 goals @ 1.9 look good. Any thoughts?

Over 4 goals might seem a bit much, you’re needing 5 goals in that match to win the bet. I dunno, seems a bit risky.

Well I am really not afraid of loosing I am more worried that we will see just four goals so we have a push. 😂

Lucky you got a 4 goals but only from the german side. Atleast you did not lose the bet and got back your stake.

Quote from: XarXymtroa on November 17, 2019, 01:00:50 AM

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Kane should be good for a few goals, so maybe England scores 4-5, leaving 9-10 needed corners.

In tottenhams last match kane had trouble even to get a goal. Most of the spurs shots hit the crossbar and I had over 3.5 goals on them alone and they didnt even hit for the squad.
Even if england scored 9 goals last time I watched them I doubt they can repeat this performance. Undecided

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Quote from: XarXymtroa on November 17, 2019, 01:00:50 AM

Who thinks todays Sportsbet Special has a chance?
Kane should be good for a few goals, so maybe England scores 4-5, leaving 9-10 needed corners.

Kosovo are getting a lot of corners at home average of 7 corners on all their 3 home games but on the England side not so much only 2 on their two previous qualifier games. England is already qualified but Kosovo will still put up a fight and might want to end on a high note. The BTTS on this match feels like a good pick too since they're able to score against England on their previous meeting.

Sounds too many to me, You get a lot of corners IF the keeper is good, or if defenders are covering out, but if you get a match where a lot of goals happen,,, then there are no corners. Kosovo is at home so they might try to counter a little in which case, almost no corners for the other side. Seems too farfetched for me! Skip the match too low odds:)

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Quote from: Nadziratel on November 17, 2019, 02:07:01 AM

I think it is necessary to be very careful during the national matches this week. I think that especially the aimless matches are open to surprises.

Yes, because I saw a goalless match happening in a team that was already in a safe position + play away, like Netherlands last night. but not with a stronger team + play at home.

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I think it is necessary to be very careful during the national matches this week. I think that especially the aimless matches are open to surprises.

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Quote from: XarXymtroa on November 17, 2019, 01:00:50 AM

Who thinks todays Sportsbet Special has a chance?
Kane should be good for a few goals, so maybe England scores 4-5, leaving 9-10 needed corners.

Kosovo are getting a lot of corners at home average of 7 corners on all their 3 home games but on the England side not so much only 2 on their two previous qualifier games. England is already qualified but Kosovo will still put up a fight and might want to end on a high note. The BTTS on this match feels like a good pick too since they're able to score against England on their previous meeting.

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