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Quote from: buwaytress on February 16, 2023, 11:33:21 AM

Nice to know my prize money is ready and waiting in escrow. Thanks SB/Cro2 Wink

I guess you must have missed the fact I'm a participant in the pool right, but if you're referring to the 2nd or 3rd prize, then it's all good I'm rooting for you all the way.

Thanks to Sportsbet, and CRO2 team for the initiative .

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Quote from: casperBGD on February 16, 2023, 02:51:43 PM

Quote from: Trofo on February 16, 2023, 09:20:44 AM

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This time they will get 0 points for tennis questions since they had more info about tournament than rest of us.

I didn't wanted to point that out, but answer on a 1st question was the reason why I looked at whole thing

nevertheless, I don't want to win after this (I would not feel as I earned it), can you please put me on 0 points in any case
so we can continue and forget about my shitting about this

We can forget about you shitting about this but we will not put you on 0 points. Everyone will get what they deserve. Cryptofrka and me decided on the rules and as comprehensive they are they are is still missing some stuff like this. It is good that you guys are proposing better ways of doing something since we plan to run this competition long time. Rules will grow and we will all learn some stuff over the journey.

That about tennis question getting them 0 points was decided between us one minute after deadline passed. If they posted answers just half an hour after the deadline they would still have 0 points for both Tuesday CL matches and Tennis question. Not you or anybody else can complain about our grading and counting points. You guys can give suggestions, some will be accepted, some discarded but it always comes down to our decision and our feeling what is most fair solution in each situation.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on February 16, 2023, 09:17:51 AM

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The picks ARE locked. The only questions we asked were for answers that weren't clear, when somebody inserted more clubs etc. We were careful that these did not change by much, so you could not pick another players or teams - you could just clarify what you meant.

I didn't said that you did not locked all answers, what I said is that late participants didn't had their answers entered/locked before seeing the pairs
it is important to mention that I didn't thought anyone is trying to scam me, not by far, all this is simply process in a new competition

Quote from: Trofo on February 16, 2023, 09:20:44 AM

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This time they will get 0 points for tennis questions since they had more info about tournament than rest of us.

I didn't wanted to point that out, but answer on a 1st question was the reason why I looked at whole thing

nevertheless, I don't want to win after this (I would not feel as I earned it), can you please put me on 0 points in any case
so we can continue and forget about my shitting about this

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Quote from: cryptofrka on February 16, 2023, 01:35:55 PM

This means that the only options were Milan, Tottenham, PSG, Bayern, Borussia, Chelsea, Brugge or Benfica.
There were some people that chose Napoli or City, and these answers are incorrect.

Questions are made on a weekly basis, so it is for Monday-Sunday games.

Yikes, lesson learnt the hard way I guess as I wasnt really paying any attention to that and answered City on that question.

@vd309 : kudos on getting 4/4 questions correct so far and if Im correct about this, the 5th questions' answer should Benfica so that should make you get 5/5 questions correctly. So great start for you on the 2nd division

Meanwhile we have @Slissy on the 1st division with 4/5 questions right now and me on 0/5 Roll Eyes

. Still getting good chances to win as LFC only get 1/5 so far

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Quote from: CLS63 on February 16, 2023, 12:32:35 PM

I think there was some confusion happened among the participants about the 6th question. Some of the participants chose Manchester City. However Manchester City played a Premier League match instead of a Champions League match. Or am I wrong about that? I would be happy if you can give information about this topic. Huh

So, the question says the following:

6. Name the team that will secure the biggest advantage before the 2nd round of Champions League games. Results 4-2 and 2-0 are both +2 advantage. It is a H2H duel, so even if you choose a team that isn't the best, you can still win a point. Please choose only teams that are playing this week.

This means that the only options were Milan, Tottenham, PSG, Bayern, Borussia, Chelsea, Brugge or Benfica.
There were some people that chose Napoli or City, and these answers are incorrect.

Questions are made on a weekly basis, so it is for Monday-Sunday games.

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I think there was some confusion happened among the participants about the 6th question. Some of the participants chose Manchester City. However Manchester City played a Premier League match instead of a Champions League match. Or am I wrong about that? I would be happy if you can give information about this topic. Huh

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Nice to know my prize money is ready and waiting in escrow. Thanks SB/Cro2 Wink

Obviously, I chose to do very badly at the beginning but you know, it's a marathon and all that, to quote Arteta. Heh.

BVB shoulda had a second, but to be fair, they needed a wonder goal to break through Chelski, so it's cool. Benfica almost lived up to their billing (they had the lowest odds on over 3 goals market so people were expecting big goals) but I'm hoping Napoli want a repeat of Ajax whipping... Seems to me there is a greater disparity in points between players than at the WC. Of course, only because we're barely halfway through Wink

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I explained already what we're going to do in the future, maybe it wasn't clear enough.

We have to keep it transparent so all answers will be visible before the first games - but after the deadline has passed.
At that point there are no changes to the answers.

If 2 players did not submit on time we'll let them submit later with a penalty of some games not being counted, but we'll also hide the answers from their opponents in the spreadsheet.
That way most of the answers/pairs will be known, but players who submit after the deadline won't have any advantage.

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I somewhat agree with casperBGD but I'm not sure what can be done. To me it looks like there are two choices. Either the whole table will be hidden until the deadline for the answers passes, but then someone can question the transparency of the whole competition. In that case anyone can say that he gave a different answer than what's in the spreadsheet.
The other choice is to leave it as it is. I think that the World Cup competition was organized in the way that everyone could see other player's answers as soon as they were given. I think that's OK too because to me, transparency is more important than the possibility that the opponent gets a small advantage because he saw my answers.

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Quote from: casperBGD on February 16, 2023, 08:25:50 AM

and regarding last sentence, IMO, you should reveal only picks from already pass deadlines questions, that is what above mentioned apps do, and could be seen as a standard

That would be ideal but it is much harder to implement and until now there wasn't any real need for it. We will monitor the situation and react if this continues to happen.

Late submissions are already penalised in a way that they have 0 points for questions that started. This time they will get 0 points for tennis questions since they had more info about tournament than rest of us. That means that you have advantage of points collected on day 1 as well as point for tennis questions in case you get just one finalist correct. Should be more than enough to offset any advantage gained from seeing other people answers.

This is something we can definitely tweak, it could more strickt but this seemed like most fair solution for all.

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Quote from: casperBGD on February 16, 2023, 08:25:50 AM

first of all, I will accept whatever, it is what it is, feels bad, but cannot be changed

not sure how to call this "advantage", but we play different pools here, in Superbru, KickTipp, FPL, also UEFA/FIFA, and neither will allow you to see opponent picks before lock yours or deadline pass (no matter how late you are and do you have any chance), at least as I am aware, so there is definitely something in that

and regarding last sentence, IMO, you should reveal only picks from already pass deadlines questions, that is what above mentioned apps do, and could be seen as a standard

The picks ARE locked. The only questions we asked were for answers that weren't clear, when somebody inserted more clubs etc. We were careful that these did not change by much, so you could not pick another players or teams - you could just clarify what you meant.

This is a new competition and your inputs are welcome - please share them. It is a bit more complex than usual and it will take us some time to be able to predict everything.
The last thing we want is that people feel cheated or something like that.

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Considering the picks hiding - we're using Excel sheets. It is modifiable (only by us, but still), therefore it has to be public. If it is not, we are risking that somebody tells us that we changed some answers by ourselves.
That is the reason why we can't show the picks after the games end.

I feel that what I offered is a good way forward and we'll test it like that in the future. Punishing a player who forgets to insert the questions for the 1st game or 2 with an insta-loss for the whole round is a bit extreme and we won't be going down that road.

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Late submissions: It is my right to reply, since you put and I quote: "I am speaking generally"...

Quote from: casperBGD on February 16, 2023, 04:27:42 AM

wasn't aware of the late submissions, and after reading thread, I have to say that I think there is some (not much, but some) "unfair (not sure how to call it)" advantage in submission answers after spreadsheet is already live
basically, you can see answers from your opponent, and decide on that (cannot be sure that you will guess it right, but it is an edge certainly)

since I am involved in this (my pair), I have to say that I am speaking generally, and do not want to speak about this round, but when spreadsheet is live, there should be no more submission, you could keep the spreadsheet as closed, if you want to have extended deadline for submissions

nevertheless, I will accept it as it is

Oh! It is what it is, you are in your right to say what you want in that sense, it is valid, read well, your concern is correct.

Although I share it; I think, your position (conjecture) of the real reason for not delivering on time, and assuming actions for those who find themselves in that situation is unpleasant.

The point is, although we are not talking (I mean it in the literal sense), things must always be said in the right tone (e.g. his final ideal), but you are adding gray tones, it's rude.

I find it unpleasant, for a niche where we are almost always the same players.

So, Very Nice H2H... I hope to be able to say to my rival. There are no excuses if I lose or win.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on February 16, 2023, 04:41:29 AM

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Basically late submission mean that you already lose a few points and are at a disadvantage from the start and we don't really feel there is any edge in seeing what your opponent answered - although if someone is behind choosing the opposite of your opponents' questions is a strategy he otherwise would not be able to do.

Maybe we can hide the opponents of the people who did not submit yet in the spreadsheet? That seems like an obvious and easy fix for such situations.

first of all, I will accept whatever, it is what it is, feels bad, but cannot be changed

not sure how to call this "advantage", but we play different pools here, in Superbru, KickTipp, FPL, also UEFA/FIFA, and neither will allow you to see opponent picks before lock yours or deadline pass (no matter how late you are and do you have any chance), at least as I am aware, so there is definitely something in that

and regarding last sentence, IMO, you should reveal only picks from already pass deadlines questions, that is what above mentioned apps do, and could be seen as a standard

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Quote from: casperBGD on February 16, 2023, 04:27:42 AM

wasn't aware of the late submissions, and after reading thread, I have to say that I think there is some (not much, but some) "unfair (not sure how to call it)" advantage in submission answers after spreadsheet is already live
basically, you can see answers from your opponent, and decide on that (cannot be sure that you will guess it right, but it is an edge certainly)

since I am involved in this (my pair), I have to say that I am speaking generally, and do not want to speak about this round, but when spreadsheet is live, there should be no more submission, you could keep the spreadsheet as closed, if you want to have extended deadline for submissions

nevertheless, I will accept it as it is

Makes sense, we will consider what you said. Basically late submission mean that you already lose a few points and are at a disadvantage from the start and we don't really feel there is any edge in seeing what your opponent answered - although if someone is behind choosing the opposite of your opponents' questions is a strategy he otherwise would not be able to do.

Maybe we can hide the opponents of the people who did not submit yet in the spreadsheet? That seems like an obvious and easy fix for such situations.

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wasn't aware of the late submissions, and after reading thread, I have to say that I think there is some (not much, but some) "unfair (not sure how to call it)" advantage in submission answers after spreadsheet is already live
basically, you can see answers from your opponent, and decide on that (cannot be sure that you will guess it right, but it is an edge certainly)

since I am involved in this (my pair), I have to say that I am speaking generally, and do not want to speak about this round, but when spreadsheet is live, there should be no more submission, you could keep the spreadsheet as closed, if you want to have extended deadline for submissions

nevertheless, I will accept it as it is

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Quote from: slackovic on February 16, 2023, 03:53:59 AM

Ah, that good. I misread the question and thought that in the first question we get one point for each correct answer. For example, if Tsitsipas is the finalist and looses, everyone who answered him to be one of the finalists gets one point. I guess I need to read more carefully in the future

You can get only 1 point per question, so 10 points maximum per round. If you get all 3 correct tennis players in that question you only get 3 points inside that question in your h2h duel for 1 point.
Hope it's more clear now Grin

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Quote from: cryptofrka on February 16, 2023, 03:50:03 AM

Quote from: slackovic on February 16, 2023, 03:47:56 AM

Damn! Another question I got wrong. But I guess it will be very little correct answers to the first question as there is a lot of options. Thankfully I got off to a good start with 2 points on third and fourth question. DireWolfM14 and I answered most of the questions totally different so I guess it's will be a battle to the very end

The 1st question is a h2h duel. You can win a point even if you get only one semifinalist correct - or lose if you get both correct but fail to guess the winner.
It depends on what your opponent selects as well.

Ah, that good. I misread the question and thought that in the first question we get one point for each correct answer. For example, if Tsitsipas is the finalist and looses, everyone who answered him to be one of the finalists gets one point. I guess I need to read more carefully in the future

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Quote from: slackovic on February 16, 2023, 03:47:56 AM

Damn! Another question I got wrong. But I guess it will be very little correct answers to the first question as there is a lot of options. Thankfully I got off to a good start with 2 points on third and fourth question. DireWolfM14 and I answered most of the questions totally different so I guess it's will be a battle to the very end

The 1st question is a h2h duel. You can win a point even if you get only one semifinalist correct - or lose if you get both correct but fail to guess the winner.
It depends on what your opponent selects as well.

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Quote from: ralle14 on February 15, 2023, 07:05:19 PM

I still haven't got one right lol 0/5 counting question number 6 out thanks to Benfica winning 2-0. My tennis prediction is also half dead with Rublev eliminated early by De Minaur. Tongue

The only good thing going for me is that my opponent is only 1 point up but there's not much difference in the last four questions so a draw would be the best case for me.

Damn! Another question I got wrong. But I guess it will be very little correct answers to the first question as there is a lot of options. Thankfully I got off to a good start with 2 points on third and fourth question. DireWolfM14 and I answered most of the questions totally different so I guess it's will be a battle to the very end

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At least some of you guys are getting paid to use the time from work to do something fun lol I remember there was a time it was so bad I was asking some of my mates to cover for me for a while during shifts just so I could post some things in SB threads or wait for specials to show up.

But tthis is of course related to betting anyway so I guess it would have happened with or without SB lol

Quote from: ralle14 on February 15, 2023, 07:05:19 PM

I still haven't got one right lol 0/5 counting question number 6 out thanks to Benfica winning 2-0. My tennis prediction is also half dead with Rublev eliminated early by De Minaur. Tongue

The only good thing going for me is that my opponent is only 1 point up but there's not much difference in the last four questions so a draw would be the best case for me.

Unlike my vd309 who has got everything right at the moment OMG

jayce it seems quite tight for us though I cannot bother counting all the other results so we'll just wait and see, but so many close results that change just with one goal, or in Bayern case, 1% possession gave me 1 point!

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