Topic: StackGambler/StackGod Liar, Cheater and Scammer (Read 1084 times)

Listen, I will make this very simple.  I have authority from those involved in CrashDoge to make the following statement.  

While it is “possible” you did not cheat it is not probably.   The team at CrashDoge has made mistakes as pointed out by people like suchmoon and bones264 and will make adjustments to avoid those issues in the future.   The simple fact is this, the hashes were given out and people were playing them.  You admitted to having hashes prior to your winning.  

Although there was talk about us paying you some money to “settle” with you, we have now decided to not take that route.  There is no settling and we will not be sending you any money.   Consider the money you have withdrawn as a gift.  

Good luck with your future endeavors and with any lawsuits you wish to pursue.  

Lastly, there is no need to wait 2 more days for your big reveal, we will not change our mind.

You fail to understand that the video (valid proof) and the screenshot (doctored) are two different things. Yesterday, I found out your dev had sent me the hashes as he had sent to multiple people. At the time, I didn't know what they were and I totally ignored them. While I was playing on your site, I did not know I had had those hashes sent to me, nor did I know how to use them. As I said, I only found out about this yesterday. It's your choice whether you choose to believe me or not. Regardless of all of this, you two had the intention to scam me well before any cheating accusations were brought forward, so all of this is pretty irrelevant. You two are liars and scammers, not to mention your whole operation is illegal. Two days, tick tock.

Here you say you never had access to the hashes


You ask for proof, proof given.  Then you ask for a video (which was also provided).


Here you say they were doctored pictures and it never happened.


Say the evidence is fake


Here you finally admit you had the hashes after lying about not having them on previous post


I had them but ignored them


Back to a doctored screenshot, similar answer when you were asked if you had them and replied “i never had access to the hashes” only to subsequently say you did have them.


Does that appear to be a consistent or honest person making those statements?

I didn't. That's a doctored screenshot. I ignored the hashes entirely, and didn't even know what they were up until yesterday.

Stackgambler, I meant to ask you yesterday but forgot.  If you did not know you had the hashes and did not know what to do with them, why did you ask for a hash that was higher up?

They're not just incompetent, they're scammers.

This whole "cheating" fiasco only started a few days ago. Their original reason for not paying me was the KYC bullshit, and this was weeks before NightWanderer came forward with any claims against me. Regardless of whether or not they think I cheated, they had no intention to pay me out all along: they're just switching excuses from a shitty one to a better one. The bitcointalk police have made their judgement based on the evidence (that I "probably" cheated even though there's no hard proof) and that's fine, but these people are clearly scammers and have been from the very beginning. Thankfully, devans sees this and will continue to keep the warning up on the license page until I am paid out. I will also be pursuing criminal litigation against the two individuals who are running and illegal gambling site as well as processing withdrawals to minors in illegal jurisdictions.

That sounds even worse. Outsiders being "simply [...] put on teamviewer" on a production server, what could possibly go wrong

Everything about you just screams utter incompetence.


You had the seeds and you won high-risk bets. How would they know that you didn't cheat?

I didn't even know the hash was sent to me until yesterday. There is video evidence that I ignored it. I never used it to cheat in any way.

More importantly, crashingcrypto is lying - NightWanderer was the only developer of the site who coded everything. He wasn't just some random dude who helped out. crashingcrypto willingly and knowingly hired a well-known scammer to work on his site. Oh well, I think everything that needs to be said has already been said here. You guys can make your own judgement. Myself and the site owners know I didn't cheat, but it seems they are doing everything in their power to make it look otherwise.

This is too much than I could ever imagine but I'm thinking why would NightWanderer do such things to begin with, do you guys have some misunderstand or was he not been paid for every services he rendered to the company? Why would he jeopardize something he created.

It won't happen again.  This just goes to prove you can't trust anybody when it comes to crypto.  We never came close to being insolvent, it's just Stack's big win was from fraud and not actual games.  Another player had a large win and got paid out before we could prove it was due to fraud. 

Lesson learned.

This seems like a serious flaw in your security practices. Hopefully, in your future endeavors you will apply the lesson learned here. Or is there no way to allow someone to work on the server without having access to the master seed? If that is the case, I will never use a site that uses "provably fair" again.

NightWanderer AKA str9 has discord.  It is NightWanderer#5022.  Feel free to reach out to him.  He has come clean.

All of our sites are offline now, we have about $20 left to payout to people that had real balances on the sites which will be done soon now that we know what happened.  As far as the future of these sites, I'm not sure if they will come back online or not.  The real losers here are us.  The amount of money spent to start all of this up and the time put in cannot be recovered.  It's a shame the guy can't just admit he cheated and end the BS.  He's still living in a fantasy land where he thinks we will pay him out for cheating the game. 

Going through what y'all said and I'm surprised how a gambler will continue to gamble to the extent of waging a huge amount on a site which barely pay you all your previous winning in full?
In addition, the guy which expose the hash was the same guy who owe Stack gambler some fund and Stack said he got the hash after his games? I don't see anyone in the world that will see free winning link like that and ignore it not mention we gamblers that usually look for a means nag the house.

The only person that can make us know the truth is the Night wanderer.

The guy who stole the hashes is not the sites dev.  He doesn't work for the sites.  He simply was put on teamviewer to fix some things with the server because he knows the game code very well and he screenshotted the master seed.  They are simply attempting to strong arm a payment out if us.  If it was a legit win, they would have been paid.  It's fraud.  Nothing more.

Yep, that pretty much sums it up. Plus StackGambler's answer to Quicksy's question earlier. I don't know if StackGambler actively solicited those hashes, but even if he received them "accidentally" or whatever the excuse was - the right thing to do would be to inform the site's admin and not continue playing.

A gambling site where the "dev" hands out seeds is not to be trusted either.

My opinions about the matter in question are my own and have no associations with the owners of CrashingCrypto Or it users. Other than I am a Mod on Crashdoge.com Chat server.

Stack, You are correct I am a mod on the Crashdoge. I have never said or suggested anything other wise. The fact I am posting on this thread has nothing to do with my trust value here.
 

As you comment earlier .

If I was a mouthpiece, I would have post comments way before this or added trust to their account, in which you can see I have done nether.

The reasoning behind why I choose not to add my two cents in because for one there was no proof before of scamming yet and you winning and crying all of the net about scamms had nothing to do with me in any way shape or form. As you said I am a MOD. I mod a server I insure the users do not get out of hand and mute any one that does. As I do with all the games I mod and have modded before, I treat every one with the upmost respect and try to keep my opinions to my self. Since they should have no Merritt or weight on how I mod a server.  

Now as a Mod I must look for proof before performing any actions for a site, such as muting and or banning. Which is how I try to look at everything I do. Why speculate and cause havoc and accuse before hand it will only make some one look foolish in the end.

But lets get back these allegations towards the site from you and from the site towards you and as to why I am adding my two cents now.

Again these are my own opinions and have no associations with the owners of CrashingCrypto or it users.

I am going to break it down to the simplest of events on how everything went down on March 6th 2019 till now that that had to due with scamming of users and or stealing from a site to the best of my knowledge.

march 6th Stackgods wins a insane amount of Doge coins on Crashingdoge 6 million coins if I remember right. Of what 5k was from his deposit and rest from winnings. Tries to withdraw. Based off the past months players  and wagering I am guessing the hotwallet on had 250k doge coins in it. From my understanding.  Stack withdraw the 250k and asks site for the rest.

Sites response they are working on it and hotwallet will be refilled shortly.

Site is suspects cheating or foul play but doesn't tell any one. ( was this the right thing to do probably not but I am not the owner or admin so has nothing to do with me)

Site Asks Stack for KYC due to prior conversations Stackgod had with Admin Herpes, suspecting he is underage.

KYC, Should they have - of course I would with that amount of money being won in such a short period of time and with suspects of underage gambling or cheating. Can they - I would think of course it is there site you chose to play there. Do they have a right too and do you have to provide it to receive you winnings - That I don't know since I am only a mod and know nothing about legal laws of bitcoin gambling.

There was no TOS on the site that I saw, Does this make it right that they shouldn't need to ask you for KYC, Again That I don't know since I am only a mod and know nothing about legal laws of bitcoin gambling.      

KYC is denied by Stackgod so site says it wont pay out till KYC is complete.

Site admins mention to me rumors stackgod may have cheated but have no proof yet.

I am fast forwarding past all of the videos and nonsense in the middle because it has nothing to do with me or my modding of the site.

Month later Stackgod is still not paid or the users that still have balances on the server including myself.

Developer tells me he helped you win when asked him about the rumor inwhich Instantly forward to another mod and to site admins. I am asked to get more information if I can and they will speak with developer

Developer comes forward to the site owners with numerous  screen shots and video of showing Stackgod was given the game hash's the same day prior / before to him winning a massive amount on site.

So I think that sums up what has transpired so far.

Now my opinion as to why I think your in the wrong and why the site shouldn't pay you.

The fact there is real proof of you having the game hash's before you placed the winning bets should make the wins null and void in my own opinion  regardless if you used the information or not. You were given an inside edge.  

I think of it this way.

It is kinda like card counting in a Casino. They can never really prove you card counted but they can tell you cheated by the bets you placed and won, of course  they aren't going to let you keep the money you cheated the system and they will kick you out and bar you from playing because they know you have a inside edge.

This whole situation has gotten way out of hand in my opinion. I truly openly honestly feel you have no grounds to call scam against the site when you were given inside information to win, regardless if you used the information or not. And I will back that opinion up with this thought.

The fact you never came forward with the information to the admins or the owner that the sites developer was giving away the game hash's helping to rip the site off. Makes you guilty as a player in my eyes. it shows that you are untrustworthy to the bitcoin community and it's gambling sites. It shows you were willing to receiving stolen information in hopes to use it for profit with no regard to the site or it's owners.

In the conversation you had with the developer there was no signs of remorse or second thought about what you should do with the information. You even asked the developer for a second harsh that was closer to where you were betting. Which makes me in my opinion think you were going to use or did use them to rip the site off. The information was also coming from a person that owed you money. Which leads me to believe he was openly going to to give you more in hope to pay off his debt I would think. Which would allow you to ether use the information to sell or profit and rip the site off even more.

And with regards to a comment you made about me helping the site.
  
Yes I openly admit I sent the site owners and admins any information I received about the site being ripped off.

If that makes me a bad person for helping a site I mod on prove they got ripped. Which I would do for every site I work with so be it. I would do it again.
But that also goes on the other side as well. If it was never proven the user had inside information that could affect the outcome of the game. I would also not side with a site refusing to pay out a legit win as well. Which in this case the wins were not legit.


 

Not supporting anyside. Quickseller, I like the questions you're asking and i respect you for that but i hope the forum polices are watching as said by Suchmoon because there's more to the whole story and I understand the casino owner side if the choose not to pay stack gambler the remaining doges since one of their operator expose something which should be secretive. However, the case seems to be something which will be best solve only if all people involved are question just like Quickseller is doing.

You can speculate, but I know I have not cheated, and there is no evidence of such. You can browse through my channel: I have a history of setting high targets and hitting big. I've bankrupted two gambling sites before, lol. Nothing new for me.

If you had the hash before you played then you could calculate the outcome of every round. You also won a ridiculous amount that is very close to certain to not happen fairly. BTW, you were also going into playing trying to 100x your deposit which is also very unlikely to happen.

You need to give back what you withdrew. You are in the wrong.

Before, but as you can see, I ignored them. I didn't even know what they were or how to use them. So far, what crashingcrypto has provided is not even close to proof of me cheating. Him and I both know I won fairly.