Topic: Stainless steel Bitcoin Recovery Seed Plate (Read 1771 times)

Up, I have new plates available

Up, some plates available also with your own privat text with the same price!
Keep your seed safe and use not only paper and no digital hot storage, that are connected to the internet.

Also in 120mm version available and have also a look in my Genesis Block Plate https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sale-bitcoin-genesis-block-stainless-steel-plate-5432879

Stay safe and best regards,
Willi

Yes no problem, I can reduce the speed mm/sec. and set the 4 times to 10 or 20 times, that is no problem and will not really cost more, but for a small tipp I can do that. That is absolutely no problem.

Best regards
Willi

I don't know what to enjoy in the review of tests, this is not a piece of art. There is nothing unusual there, a couple of tests of a stainless steel plate in different conditions. By the way, Jameson Lopp didn't indicate what temperature effects he had on the metal (how many degrees?).

I also really appreciate a piece of stainless steel plate, which can be cheaper, except perhaps in a hardware store.


Do you offer the option of re-burning the laser (several times) to deepen the drawing? For paranoid users for a fee.

Yes only for the bitcointalk community. If you are interested, than send me a PM with your town, for calculating the shipping cost. If you need a personal text an the plate, that is included.

Best regards from Germany,
Willi

I really enjoy reading Jameson Lopp review tests, and he rated your seed plate very good.
This is probably one of the cheapest A grade Metallic Bitcoin Seed Storage I found on his website, except maybe Steel Wallet, Hodlinox Single Plate and DIYSeed.
Are you selling them only on Bitcointalk forum?

Here you can see some tests like fire, acid, pressure, …

https://jlopp.github.io/metal-bitcoin-storage-reviews/reviews/willi-recovery-seed-plate/

You can see the matrix and can recover all your data to access your coins.
The laser removes a thin layer by vaporizing it. The more you repeat your pattern with the laser, the deeper it will be burned in.

Best regards,
Willi

How do those laser engravers work these days?  I had one 10 years ago and it did a pretty bad job on metal.  The ease of use was amazing though.  They even show you where and what it will engrave before pushing the engrave button.  My engraver that I have always used directly engraves onto the metal with an engraver head.  That makes it pretty deep and on there forever in spite of whatever may happen to it.  I wonder if laser engraving is deep enough to feel or see the indentions as well as hold up to temperatures and scratches like a traditional engraver.  What is your take on it?

Up, and have some plates right now here.

Facts
- Stainless steel 100 x 100 x 4 millimeters in noble and simple design (also in 6mm possible)
- Front and side areas very finely ground
- Protect your Recovery Seed from water, fire, corrosion, mechanical damage and other hazards
- Protect your seed additionally against unauthorized access or robbery with BIP38 / BIP39
- Can be used for a 12 or 24 word seed (backside is not polished but can also be engraved / lasered)
- Convinces by very nice haptics, stability, robustness and the high-quality stainless steel material
- Plate, Hammer and Marker are precisely engraved with a laser (see pictures)
- Bulletproof from Jameson Lopp --> https://jlopp.github.io/metal-bitcoin-storage-reviews/reviews/willi-recovery-seed-plate/

Many thanks for the positive words and your trust entry.
Stay save and keep your coins also save.

Best regards from Germany
Willi

Have received the plates, hammer and punch without incident.  Many thanks for sending them promptly.



The text looks great and is a nice addition.



Kudos.

Up, some plates available also with your own privat text with the same price!
Keep your seed safe and use not only paper and no digital hot storage, that are connected to the internet.


and keep the new solution your mind

Distribute the seed over several plates:
Here's Sam00's idea, here you spread your seed over 3 plates and hide each one separately, and if one is found by an unauthorized person, everything is still safe since you need two out of three plates.

Plate 1: words 1-8 and 17-24
Plate 2: Words 9-15 and 17-24
Plate 3: Words 1-8 and 9-15

Stay safe and best regards,
Willi

shipping to Nigeria cost ~25 USD up to 2kg

Best regards
Willi

I will also be interested to get one but I am afraid to get it because of the distance and the probability cost charge. I will like op to give the cost break down of the stainless steel plate to Nigeria. If the price is okay with me then I order one to be shipping. The weight should not exceed 25kg.

Hello Timelord2067,

ok that is under 2kg weight and cost $39 shipping, if that is ok send me a PM with your shipping address inclouding phone number and email address for shipping.

Best regards,
Willi

Hello again,

I think I'd like to go with two X 4mm and 1 X hammer/punch set.

Kind regards,

Timelord2067

Hi Timelord2067,

Depending on the weight, I can tell you the price in advance approx. How many plates and what thickness in mm would you like?

Many greetings
Willi

Hi willi.

I'm looking at getting a couple of plates (probably 24 words each) and one hammer and punch. I was just wondering how much postage to Australia would be?

Add a security topic from Sam00 --> @Sam00, thanks for the good and simple idea to add more security

Distribute the seed over several plates:
Here's Sam00's idea, here you spread your seed over 3 plates and hide each one separately, and if one is found by an unauthorized person, everything is still safe since you need two out of three plates.

Plate 1: words 1-8 and 17-24
Plate 2: Words 9-15 and 17-24
Plate 3: Words 1-8 and 9-15

Up, some plates available also with your own privat text with the same price!
Keep your seed safe and use not only paper and no digital hot storage, that are connected to the internet.

Stay safe and best regards,
Willi

Hi Tim,

That is 304 or named V2A (X5CrNi18/10).

Best regards
Willi

Hi Willi. Looks great.
What type of stainless steel was used - 304 or 316 or something else?
Thank you.

Still love my plate and hammer. Glad I got this.

Nice one Willi, good result.

Anyone with any concerns should be content now that the product is of quality and will
do the job it is designed for.

No problem, have some plates here.
Anyone who wants one, happy to PM me.
And if someone like I also have a coin to offer —> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sale-40mm-x-3mm-30g-bitcoin-coin-loadable-and-customizable-coin-5382457

Discount possible if you like a plate and a coin.

Best regards
Willi

Very nice results, and Jameson Lopp even wrote that your seed plate can be purchased via bitcointalk forum
It is certainly one of the cheaper metal seed plates tested on his website and now with this discount it's even cheaper.
This would be the best time for anyone who wanted to buy this plate.

The more different tests are carried out with the Recovery Seed Plate, the more complete information about the capabilities of this storage medium can be obtained, which allows taking into account the resistance to external influences during storage of this plate. Of course, this is good, but the acid test seems exotic to me, because acid is extremely rare in domestic conditions, not to mention that somehow it gets on the seed plate. Hypothetically, such a possibility exists, but with a very small chance. A piece of metal is still a piece of metal (of course, stainless steel) and it takes a lot of time to destroy the text from the surface. So, don't worry about the acid test.

It was Lopp who has done the test, not Willi.
And it was put into acid, actually. As you can see, one of the points was the corrosion test. And, if you look up for the methodology, the corrosion test means keeping the plate in acid for 12 hours:

  You didn't put them on acid !    

Hi philipma1957,

not yet. i wrote mails to him, but it is a time consuming test, but have not seen a update on the webpage.
so i waiting also on a feedback, and if i have a feedback i will post it here.

But thanks for the reminder, will ask for an update....


yea, the test is done --> 4x A, best letters 

https://jlopp.github.io/metal-bitcoin-storage-reviews/reviews/willi-recovery-seed-plate/



Best regards
Willi

did you ever get the test results for durability

christmas special offer from now up to 24.12.2022

1x Additional text around the seed field as individualization for free and save $5

A nice christmas gift for BTC fans and with a individualization like Name or text or a short sentence

More details on the first posting...

Indeed, also an option! Just then we switch from realm of bitcoin collectibles to... maybe (modern) art!  

could use it to put a private key to an address you dont fund then then it could be displayed. just never use that one lol

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edit: adding addy for tips!  

That's a good decision, and I hope we'll see that review soon. This will be a good thing for the project.
Good luck!

thanks for the feedback and yes my plates looks like more durable.
I have send a test plate to the known seed storage tester and hope we see the test soon --> https://jlopp.github.io/metal-bitcoin-storage-reviews/

I think the Coinplate looks more professional and probably more valuable as a collector's item, but I think willi9974's seed plate is more practical and perhaps more durable. If I had to choose, I would choose this one for my personal use.

Someone just created a similar topic:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coinplate-a-new-ultra-durable-seed-phrase-backup-solution-5394608

It seems to be more expensive (at least in case of shipping/import to Europe), but still interesting.
Your hodl hammer looks like must-have item

Hi AnySniper,

personalization is no problem, you can use the last line to laser some things on it.
Please see the picture, the last line is yours, you can change it as you want.

best regards
Willi

Amazing, what about personalization?

Good luck with testing and thanks for posting notification here!
I am sure your plate won't be placed last, there are some terrible metal plates tested by Lopp, they partially used aluminum or bad systems with multiple parts.
Stuff like this fall apart under stress and pressure, and anything that is solid like your plate, that is made from stainless steel showed much better results.
I wrote recently there are two types of stainless steel good for backup, that is 304 (better melting points) and 316 with better corrosion properties and can survive even in salt water.
 

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I cant see any weaknesses of the letters and engraving wearing off, once you
stamp your plate with the punch you are supposed to hide it away until it is needed
to recover your seed, its not supposed to be propped up on full display for everyone
to see.

As regards the idea that it is more of a "collectable" set, yea that may come across
as a possibility but the key item is the plate, which can be bought on its own, or buy
2 plates, a hammer and punch, use one plate and display the second if you like it as
a collectable.

@willi9974 - an added benefit which you could consider is to drill a hole in the 4 (or 2)
corners so that the plate can be screwed to something else. The beauty of the flat
plate is it can be attached to something inaccessible and be inconspicuous .

Thanks for your clarification.

What are the weaknesses when using this method of applying text (if they exist at all)? Over time, the information will not be erased and it will not turn out that seed-phrase can't be read (this is where a stencil with a table template with rows of letters and numbers would come in handy)?

Waiting for answers from Lopp? 


Thanks for your clarification too.

If look from the position of the collectible set, then there are no questions. I think this set is great as a gift for people who get the joke with "hodl hammer".

The test plate is done and on the road
I am curious to see how the test performs and i hope i will not on the laste place 

I find willi9974 set more a collectible set than something I'd mess with. I may have odd taste, but the plate with the mount, the HOLD Hammer and marker seem to ask to be shown, not hidden away.

If I would ever have good reason to store the seed on steel, I'd probably go for the washers, really. Your setup looks complicated. And complicated usually asks for troubles (in 10 years, not now).

My stainless steel plate is engraved with my fiber laser.

Yes, I understand. For each product there will always be a buyer and I am sure that for many it will be easier to buy Seed Plate from you. Not everyone will be able to make it by hand without the necessary skills and tools, but in your case everything is already available.

Could you tell me by what method the table and symbols are applied to your plate? Is it paint, laser engraving, something else?

+1 Merit

yes your way is also possible, right but cost a lot of time and some user prefere a good quality plate maybe with a individual mark of the username / a date / or other things on the seed plate. for a simple and safe way, i think the screw and washer is also a good way to go.

Best regards,
Willi

I'll start with questions:
- How is the text printed on the plate?
- Can text be erased?

Your business model is ideal for the lazy, and for the rest I can offer a cheap version.

Hammer and marker can buy at any hardware store (or look in your toolbox). I don't think that a piece of this inox plate will also be difficult to find. It is unlikely that you will be able to find the right size in the store, but in principle it is possible to find it (or cut it to the right size on your own).

Instead of putting text on the plate, can use a stencil (template) containing numbers, letters, cells as on your metall plate. Apply a stencil on top of the plate and make marks, after which remove the stencil and get a clean plate with dots in a chaotic manner. Try to understand and guess what the dots on the sheet of metal mean.  If still violate the order of the letters on the stencil, it will be almost impossible to decipher the info.

If use a stencil instead of printed text, this will increase the security of storing information from unauthorized persons.


But the stencil creates an additional weak point: need to save it (loss is fraught with bad consequences forever) and save it from others (it’s not critical without a plate). I think even storage on your PC is possible (can print it when you need it), because it will be just a stencil-template, which in itself doesn't carry anything important. Even if it leaks into the network, it is useless without a plate.

In my opinion, the option with pucks seems to me more interesting - Securing Your Seed Phrase with Washers. But with a slight correction (saw in your thread): put only the first 4 letters of each word on the washer, which will allow to fit 2 words at once (the first 4 letters of each) on 1 washer. This will reduce the number of washers to 12 (in the case of 24 words) and to 6 (in the case of 12 words). This is appropriate if you strive to reduce the object.

are in contact and have the address to ship the plate for testing.
if i have in den next 2-3 weeks time for that, i will create a test plate and send it to him for a test / review.

i'm also interestet to the result of that kind of test.

best regards,
Willi

If nothing else, sending it to Lopp for testing would certainly bring more attention to your stainless steel plate, and who knows maybe it gets rated high on the table.
He was testing all of them for corrosion, crush test, heat, price and gives them overall rating.
Not all stainless steel are equal, and more thickness is better for sure

PS
Let us know if you decide to send him plate for testing, I would love to read review.

Hasn't been tested there yet, but it's a good idea and can be done.
In my opinion, however, the Seed Plate should do very well here, because stainless steel in the thickness should be very resistant.

Best regards,
Willi

Stainless Steel is super cool metal for backing up seed phrase, but I don't like the idea of combining words and letters in grid system for seed words.
Much cheaper alternative for this is using stainless steel washers, that become my personal favorite and other members in forum created additional tools and instructions for that.
Back on your plate, I have a question, did you send it for extreme testing to Jameson Lopp, to see if it will survive and what rating it has?
https://blog.lopp.net/tag/cold-storage/
https://jlopp.github.io/metal-bitcoin-storage-reviews/

Get the topic back into the top of the topic and a short hint to save shipping cost. a hint to my solid Bitcoin coin ...


40mm x 3mm 30g Bitcoin Coin (loadable and customizable coin)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sale-40mm-x-3mm-30g-bitcoin-coin-loadable-and-customizable-coin-5382457

Best Regards,
Willi

also in 6mm plate version

i send you a PM and ask for more details of a possible bulk order

Yes, please contact me per PM.

the Seed Plate is now also in the 1-24 version available

Do you give discounts for bulk orders?

Seed information
Each seed word can be uniquely identified by its first 4 letters, so 4 letters per seed word is all you need. Please mark the first 4 letters of each of your 12 seed words to keep your Bitcoin seed safe. if you have a 24 word seed, you need two plates.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/english.txt

Allright I feel kind of dumb but... I can't figure out how to use it to store a seed phrase

Hi philipma1957,

no problem.

1x Set (Seed Plate, HODL Hammer and HODL Marker) 40 EUR
1x Seed Plate extra 27 EUR
1x Shipping 16 EUR (without tracking number. DHL shipping with tracking number cost 38 EUR)

83 EUR ~ 97,50 USD

Address and Payment than over PM.

Best Regards,
Willi

How much for 1 full set and 1 extra plate.

Shipped to USA.

My new favorite hammer!!

Recovery Seed BTC Plate

Facts
- Stainless steel 100 x 100 x 4 millimeters in noble and simple design (also in 6mm possible)
- Front and side areas very finely ground
- Protect your Recovery Seed from water, fire, corrosion, mechanical damage and other hazards
- Protect your seed additionally against unauthorized access or robbery with BIP38 / BIP39
- Can be used for a 12 or 24 word seed (backside is not polished but can also be engraved / lasered)
- Convinces by very nice haptics, stability, robustness and the high-quality stainless steel material
- Plate, Hammer and Marker are precisely engraved with a laser (see pictures)
- Bulletproof from Jameson Lopp --> https://jlopp.github.io/metal-bitcoin-storage-reviews/reviews/willi-recovery-seed-plate/








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Price and order form (copy the template into a PM)
[ 0 ] 1x Recovery Seed BTC Plate 12 words one side $27  (4mm)
[ 0 ] 1x Recovery Seed BTC Plate 24 words both side $30 (4mm)
[ 0 ] 1x Recovery Seed BTC Plate 12 words  one side $29 (6mm)
[ 0 ] 1x Recovery Seed BTC Plate 24 words both side $32 (6mm)
[ 0 ] 1x Hammer and Marker $19
[ 0 ] 1x Set price (Recovery Plate, Hammer and Marker) 4mm version $40
[ 0 ] 1x Set price (Recovery Plate, Hammer and Marker) 6mm version $42
[ 0 ] 1x Additional text around the seed field as individualization $5
[ 1 ] Shipping depending on country --> need your address



Seed information
Each seed word can be uniquely identified by its first 4 letters, so 4 letters per seed word is all you need. Please mark the first 4 letters of each of your 12 seed words to keep your Bitcoin seed safe.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/english.txt

Distribute the seed over several plates:
Here's Sam00's idea, here you spread your seed over 3 plates and hide each one separately, and if one is found by an unauthorized person, everything is still safe since you need two out of three plates.

Plate 1: words 1-8 and 17-24
Plate 2: Words 9-15 and 17-24
Plate 3: Words 1-8 and 9-15



Any questions, please ask me per PM

Best Regards from Germany
Willi