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legendary
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October 22, 2023, 08:48:37 AM
#31
Trying to cut corners on securing basically the wealth you are trying so hard to increase is just, well, a stupid choice, no offense! Using the cheapest paper, probably writing it down with the cheapest pen and you might end up in two years with something unreadable. I have a contract from 2018 that because was printed on some really bad paper is now just one gray paper, nothing readable, and lamitating that paper won't do much good either.
I have used cheap pen for backup and I the ones I used more than 25 years ago are still clearly seen on a paper. The only paper that I know that is not good has been the thermal paper.

If you get a pen that students are using with the blue ink or black ink, you can use it to backup your seed phrase on a student book paper and it will not fade. If you do not want to use a pen, you can use a pencil. Both backup can last for many decades.

You can do another backup every year.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
October 21, 2023, 07:49:52 AM
#30
I don't think anyone can get bored of the 1RS Paper and even that paper can be used 4 times by cutting it into pieces.. If you are comfortable with its lifeline better wrap it with a plastic sheet (Lamination). TBH Rather than wasting money on stainless steel I would prefer each penny to be invested in the Bitcoin, You kind of greedy with the stoshi's.

Sorry to tell you but this attitude will get you into trouble.

Trying to cut corners on securing basically the wealth you are trying so hard to increase is just, well, a stupid choice, no offense! Using the cheapest paper, probably writing it down with the cheapest pen and you might end up in two years with something unreadable. I have a contract from 2018 that because was printed on some really bad paper is now just one gray paper, nothing readable, and lamitating that paper won't do much good either.

You're being heap for what, $5-10 in order to secure evything? How much would those let's say $200 help you assume a x20 increase in Bitcoin compared to the risks of losing everything? I assume you also think a hardware wallet is a waste of money, so is having a separate machine for your wallet, right?

Again I'm surprised at the number of users claiming titanium is expensive, guys, it's not gold!!!

But, how easy are you stamping it.
if it's hard and difficult to stamp it, it is not really good, you can't read your seed clearly.

Titanium is not diamond, any cheap metal engraving tool will make a 1mm deep cut at every scratch with ease even with an amateur behind, if you're using a stamping tool, again it's easy for the average Joe, you're not using a 10-20 mm sheet IFV armour.


 
legendary
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October 20, 2023, 11:37:30 PM
#29
When we talk about backup seed, It's not about cost or resistant heat. But, how easy are you stamping it.
if it's hard and difficult to stamp it, it is not really good, you can't read your seed clearly.
When metals are chosen, a metal sheet is used which can be as thin as 2-3 mm. Stamping them at home with a metal stamp tool like the picture below is very easy. These things have hardened tips that can easily indent the sheets with a small tap of a hammer.

full member
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October 20, 2023, 07:01:06 PM
#28
When we talk about backup seed, It's not about cost or resistant heat. But, how easy are you stamping it.
if it's hard and difficult to stamp it, it is not really good, you can't read your seed clearly.
legendary
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October 20, 2023, 03:58:37 PM
#27
TBH Rather than wasting money on stainless steel I would prefer each penny to be invested in the Bitcoin, You kind of greedy with the stoshi's.

What are we really talking about here? You can literally find stainless steel everywhere around you in your everyday life. So, I doubt that buying a small piece of steel plate for jotting down your seed phrase will break the bank. Besides, if you cannot invest in a backup solution that costs just a few bucks, it raises questions about whether you have anything truly valuable to secure on your cold wallet.
legendary
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October 20, 2023, 03:22:11 PM
#26
I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

I see no difference. Unless you work in a molten steel company and you are in danger of your seed phrase backup falling out of your pocket into the furnace, I think you should be ok.

Which is to say that I do not recommend carrying your seed phrase with you or leaving it somewhere where it can be easily or mistakenly found.

The fancier the metal you choose, the more attention it might get from people. And if you use gold, then everyone will want to take a look at your shiny and expensive-looking seed phrase. Shocked Roll Eyes
hero member
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October 20, 2023, 02:07:52 PM
#25
I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?
An easy answer is, that we might not need that, because we prefer this option in the first place, because unfortunately, if we are stuck in a situation of fire, or any natural disaster or humanoid disaster, our seed phrase remains safely printed on the metal. Whatever metal we are using.

After searching the recent event in Hawaii, the temperature recorded there was around 1000 degrees centigrade, and as you mentioned, stainless steel can bear the temperature of 1400 to 1570 °C. So, I don't think we need any metal while the stainless steel can do the work.

For your understanding, I would like to add, that the highest recorded temperature was around 9k °C maybe, and it was recorded in a nuclear test of Trinity. I hope you will find it by searching on Google. And I hope you are not asking for a metal which can bear the nuclear too. Because in today's world, I don't think that you would be able to use your seed phrase after any nuclear war. You know the reason.

And you can check the current rates of all the three metals, you mentioned and can compare it as per your need.

Titanium   $9.00 - $15.00
Stainless steel   $0.50 - $1.00
Tungsten   $30.00 - $40.00
prices are old, but you can get the idea from it
legendary
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October 18, 2023, 02:56:29 PM
#24
Besides to make titanium useful for extreme application it has to be alloyed with aluminum. Titanium aluminide is the material used for extreme applications.
According to what I saw about Titanium aluminide, it has high ductility which is the the ability of a material to have its shape changed if force is applied on it. Titanium is better, not tiitanium aluminide. Titanium aluminide also has a lower melting point if compared with pure titanium and instead of such alloy, stainless steel is better.
sr. member
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October 18, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
#23
Titanium is just as good as Stainless steel.

It all comes down to preference and affordability. I think one of the reasons stainless steel has been recommended as good for seed phrase backup is because of its affordability. Besides to make titanium useful for extreme application it has to be alloyed with aluminum. Titanium aluminide is the material used for extreme applications.

Feel free to use whatever works for you. The goal is to ensure that your seed phrase is safe and doesn't ever fall into the wrong hands
legendary
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October 18, 2023, 10:35:47 AM
#22
I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

Haha, What is it buddy like really?

I don't think anyone can get bored of the 1RS Paper and even that paper can be used 4 times by cutting it into pieces.. If you are comfortable with its lifeline better wrap it with a plastic sheet (Lamination). TBH Rather than wasting money on stainless steel I would prefer each penny to be invested in the Bitcoin, You kind of greedy with the stoshi's.
member
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October 18, 2023, 09:47:40 AM
#21
I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?
Choosing a seed phrase backup metal is down to personal preference, cost, and availability.
Tungsten will be a good metal for seed phrase backup but it's more expensive and not easy to obtain like stainless steel.
Titanium has lightweight and it's highly resistant to corrosion but it's not easy to find. Besides, it costs more than stainless steel.
Stainless steel on the other is heavy than Titanium but very affordable compared to both Titanium and Tungsten and it also has excellent resistance to corrosion.
People mainly talk about Stainless steel of its value. Titanium and Tungsten are options for the humpback whale, etc.
hero member
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October 18, 2023, 09:45:52 AM
#20
To reach 1400 °C is hard, a house fire isn't even reach that high. So it's either you intentionally want to melt it, an unknown meteor or someone use nuclear energy to destroy your place (which is high unlikely).

Stainless steel is enough and the best deal for it's price.

According to a report by National Fire Protection Association, Fundamentals of Fire Protection, the average peak temperature of a house fire or area of a building is around 1,100°F (593°C). The peak temperature is between 1,200 and 1,800°F (649 and 982°C).
legendary
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October 18, 2023, 09:00:03 AM
#19
Thats true, but if you want to safeguard your seed phrase from unforeseeable events like a house fire or flood, stainless steel or titanium metal plates are a much better storage option than regular paper or most other everyday materials.

"A standard house fire can reach temperatures of up to 1500 degrees Fahrenheit (815 Celcius)."
I know but you see from 815 Celcius degree to 1400 Celcius degree is big different in severity. From normal to abnormal (like 800 Celcius degree) and extremely bad (1400 Celcius degree and higher) are completely different in severity.

Let me repeat my opinion. It's good to use stainless steel or titanium steel than use a paper to save your private key, wallet seed but if you have to consider cost to use a stainless steel or a titanium steel, if the cost is big different, I will choose a stainless steel.

And I will not only have a single backup in a stainless steel but I will have others in paper pieces too.
full member
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October 18, 2023, 08:20:08 AM
#18
I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?
Writing and safely keeping your seed phrase on paper can be more secure. I was just imagining the security risk that trying to inscribe your seed phrase can put you. Just imagine that the person who is going to inscribe your seed phrase for you on the Aluminum or Titanium knows what bitcoin is and also knows that some people prefer to safe their seed phrase on aluminum or Titanium. You will just be handing over your wallet to them and giving them the access they need when you innocently give the inscriber your seed phrase for the inscription.
hero member
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October 18, 2023, 07:46:13 AM
#17
I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Titanium could be far better than stainless steel but have you also consider the availability of titanium, it abundance in nature and the cost of using one when there's an alternative that is always available and affordable which is stainless steel materials, i also want to see this such a way that even titanium may not be the highest most preferred material one can use, others could be scare or far expensive than stainless steel or titanium.

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

What we are after is not the metallic property in their highest order of melting point, any material that can withstand a certain limit of heat temperature could be used as a mettalic sheath material for storing seed phrase, they all could serve the purpose, what is being most looked for is their durability and elasticity, which serves enough in this purpose.
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October 18, 2023, 07:37:56 AM
#16
I could be wrong but I think there is big difference between 40 °C and a bit more than 100 °C or 200 °C but if your backup falls into a situation with temperature like 1400 °C or 1500 °C, I really believe that it is a very serious disaster and temperature can easily hit 1700 °C.
Temperature can not easily reach $1400 degree Celsius.

Thats true, but if you want to safeguard your seed phrase from unforeseeable events like a house fire or flood, stainless steel or titanium metal plates are a much better storage option than regular paper or most other everyday materials.

"A standard house fire can reach temperatures of up to 1500 degrees Fahrenheit (815 Celcius)."
legendary
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October 18, 2023, 07:35:55 AM
#15
I could be wrong but I think there is big difference between 40 °C and a bit more than 100 °C or 200 °C but if your backup falls into a situation with temperature like 1400 °C or 1500 °C, I really believe that it is a very serious disaster and temperature can easily hit 1700 °C.
Temperature can not easily reach $1400 degree Celsius.
I did not say temperature can easily reach 1400 °C. From normal environmental temperature around 40 °C to like 200 °C is not easily but I meant if temperature already reaches to 1400 °C, I am sure it is a very serious situation which already out of control. I believe in uncontrollable situations like that, from 1400 °C to 1700 °C, it can be reached easily and quickly.

There are other things to consider beyond melting point. Pure tungsten is very brittle and will break and shatter with external stress. Not to mention you'll be hundreds if not thousands of dollars compared to $10 for stainless steel or $20 for titanium.
I also shared a same point like you. It does not worth to spend more expensive cost to have a titanium steel than a stainless steel and in return only have a bit more strength against some hundred of temperature.
sr. member
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October 18, 2023, 07:24:30 AM
#14
If you have three backups of your seedphrase in three different locations from one another is the safest. This is because all the three locations can't experience a disaster at once. I believe that it will be fine if one uses paper or steel plate to write down seed phrase.

Anywhere that the temperature is above 1000°C is not safe for man anymore.  Steel is cheaper and easy to have access to.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
October 18, 2023, 07:23:00 AM
#13
The reason why most users recommend steel instead of the rest is because of the cost of getting them.

You can get a plate big enough for your seed phrase from Amazon for $20
https://www.amazon.com/Titanium-Sheets/b?ie=UTF8&node=11260343011
remember you need to keep it as light and as small as possible to be able to hide it!

It's just that people like to level materials as the only ones good for something and stick to it or use a misleading term for it, like when talking about concrete and cement or iron and steel, so normally when average Joe talks about a metal he says steel, despite in a lot of cases not being stainless steel at all.

The harder material, Titanium in this case requires a different type of processing, certainly and more expensive. Well, the seed phrase engraving itself can cost significantly more compared to the same print on "ordinary" stainless steel.

Titanium is just 6 on the Mohs scale, any cheap metal engraving pen will do the job, if we talk about a sheet 2 mm thick, then it's almost kid play.
sr. member
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October 18, 2023, 07:09:42 AM
#12
Better stainless steel. Better round metal to use.

Trying to write seed phrase in materials such as stainless steel is not wrong because we have created stronger security. But is not a laminated paper that can also function well to write Seed Phrase because we have backups that are stored in several places that are not connected to the internet if there is still the intention to sell Bitcoin when the time has come.
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