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Quote from: God bless u on October 18, 2023, 06:33:52 AM

I have stored seed phrase in the sample paper and before your post I was thinking that writing phrase in hard paper is enough. should we used high melting point for saving and how much worth it is if we want to store one seed phrase?

If you have your seed phrase on a paper, it is better and it reduce noise because having backup on a metal plate is noisy in a way it can attract thieves and offline itax, unlike the backup on paper which may be unnoticeable.

Quote from: hd49728 on October 18, 2023, 06:58:11 AM

I could be wrong but I think there is big difference between 40 °C and a bit more than 100 °C or 200 °C but if your backup falls into a situation with temperature like 1400 °C or 1500 °C, I really believe that it is a very serious disaster and temperature can easily hit 1700 °C.

Temperature can not easily reach $1400 degree Celsius.

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Quote from: _act_ on October 18, 2023, 06:27:16 AM

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Yes, it is the best all round metal to use. It is better than stainless steel for all the things we care about - melting point, corrosion resistance, reactivity, strength, and so on. It is a bit more expensive, but not as much as you would expect to just buy a small plain plate of reasonable thickness.

Having said all that, stainless steel is cheaper and still more than sufficient for our purposes. The melting point of steel is still well above the temperature reached in average house fires.

Quote from: _act_ on October 18, 2023, 06:27:16 AM

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

There are other things to consider beyond melting point. Pure tungsten is very brittle and will break and shatter with external stress. Not to mention you'll be hundreds if not thousands of dollars compared to $10 for stainless steel or $20 for titanium.

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Quote from: bitmover on October 18, 2023, 06:30:18 AM

Quote from: _act_ on October 18, 2023, 06:27:16 AM

I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Where are you going to take your seed to?

Are you going to visit a volcano with it? Going to war?

You really don't need all that protection

Good old paper will do just fine for 99.99% of people. Paper can last for years... I have the same paper from 2017 with my seed

Steel, or titanium, or paper, whatever, you can use them if you wish. I just recommend to have a second backup of your seed somewhere else.

Peradventure we enter WW3 following recent happenings, we might need something to protect our treasure from bomb Cheesy

I a kind of agree with you that those protections are not really necessary; there is no need complicating things.

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Quote from: _act_ on October 18, 2023, 06:27:16 AM

I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I could be wrong but I think there is big difference between 40 °C and a bit more than 100 °C or 200 °C but if your backup falls into a situation with temperature like 1400 °C or 1500 °C, I really believe that it is a very serious disaster and temperature can easily hit 1700 °C.

It does not worth your money to spend more to have a Titanium steel rather than a stainless steel with very small difference to be against high temperature and big difference in cost.

It is more easily, economic if you simply make some backups that can save you rather than only rely on either a stainless steel or a titanium steel.

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Stainless steel can be rust and corrosion compared to titanium it is resistant to both rust and corrosion. However, titanium is a bit pricey compared to stainless steel.

Quote from: God bless u on October 18, 2023, 06:33:52 AM

I have stored seed phrase in the sample paper and before your post I was thinking that writing phrase in hard paper is enough. should we used high melting point for saving and how much worth it is if we want to store one seed phrase?

Paper wallets are not good in a wet place that's why having a metal sheet to store seed backup is way more better for the long term.

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Quote from: _act_ on October 18, 2023, 06:27:16 AM

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Probably the higher price of the material, but also one more thing. The harder material, Titanium in this case requires a different type of processing, certainly and more expensive. Well, the seed phrase engraving itself can cost significantly more compared to the same print on "ordinary" stainless steel.

Quote from: bitmover on October 18, 2023, 06:30:18 AM

Where are you going to take your seed to?

Are you going to visit a volcano with it? Going to war?

You really don't need all that protection

Exactly this. In case such a situation happens where the melting point of your seed card is crucial, I believe that at that moment there will be some more serious things to worry about. Probably a struggle for bare life.

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Melting point is not the only measure, otherwise you can search for metals that have a high melting point, such as Tungsten (T) and Rhenium (Re), but there are several options:

Cost: Stainless steel is cheaper
Possibility of obtaining it without attracting attention: Some metals need to be ordered and you will not find them in local stores
Its need for moving points: Moving points are the weak point.
Malleability and formability:
Bearing solvents
Ease of use and concealment

part of those apply to stainless steel, but you can search for other metals, and if the characteristics apply to them or you focus on a specific characteristic, you can use it.

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I have stored seed phrase in the sample paper and before your post I was thinking that writing phrase in hard paper is enough. should we used high melting point for saving and how much worth it is if we want to store one seed phrase?

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Quote from: _act_ on October 18, 2023, 06:27:16 AM

I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and noticed that titanium has a higher melting point of 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable.

Where are you going to take your seed to?

Are you going to visit a volcano with it? Going to war?

You really don't need all that protection

Good old paper will do just fine for 99.99% of people. Paper can last for years... I have the same paper from 2017 with my seed

Steel, or titanium, or paper, whatever, you can use them if you wish. I just recommend to have a second backup of your seed somewhere else.

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The reason why most users recommend steel instead of the rest is because of the cost of getting them.

If you check, steel can resist temperature changes to a very high degree (although the rest do better than it in this scenario) but when the price comes into play it becomes more desirable for an average man, and when giving recommendations we normally go with the one that will suites everyone and yet easily accessible.

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I have noticed very well on this forum that stainless steel is good for seed phrase backup because it has high melting point which can be between 1400 to 1530 °C.

Recently I saw the review of iPhone 15 series and I noticed that titanium has a higher melting point which is 1668 °C.

I have not seen people recommending metal like Titanium on this forum. Is it not better than stainless steel?

Another question is that I found out that Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metal on the periodic table, which is 3422 °C. Is this not the metal that supposed to be used for seed phrase backup? Or is it very expensive and not affordable?

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