Stake and odd provider's limits !!!!!!

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Quote from: rickmart on August 08, 2022, 03:18:55 AM

Hello,

Since I started betting on Stake I have rarely been disappointed, they have very good promotions, good odds, etc...

But recently, I cannot place a single bet, my stake is almost always rejected (too high). The support told me that unfortunately they cannot do much about it as it is the odd provider that fix limits for an event and for each user. Even on big events just like premier league games I cannot bet with a stake more than 0.2 mBtc (when it is possible).

I had a similar situation with sportsbet.io (odds automatically lowered for my account, banned from some promotions) and they haven't gone backwards since (more than 8 months).

Has anyone been in this situation and was able to recover afterwards normal betting configuration?

If my situation is never going to be reviewed, I might as well get my funds back right away.

You must be either using EV+ betting, arbitrage betting, sure bet etc. If you are somehow winning all the time, the casino may do this to "kindly" show you the door. In the end stake.com isn't the only game in town. You just move to the next one and hope for the best. I don't think they care if you withdraw your funds or not. They already made that clear by limiting your bets. Cool

Since you are (probably) not making them any money, you are just a burden which they are trying to get rid of without making a scene.

I also think that it will not be possible to rehabilitate and become such a player that the casino will regard as a "correct player" (from the game of which the casino does not incur losses).

I also think that there are channels of information exchange between casinos where a successful player can be recognized in another casino in advance. And then ridiculous bet limits may appear, as if hinting at the fact that the casino is not at all happy with such a player.
And he should go to another casino.

As you say it is a complete waste of time to try to get the limits lifted from that account, this is often a complain of those which are able to play with an advantage over the casinos, in fact I have read different accounts in which those players are so incredibly careful they even lose bets on purpose to try to make their accounts to seem more legitimate.

But even with all of those precautions at some point they get limited and the only option they have is to move away from that casino and never come back.

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Quote from: rickmart on August 08, 2022, 03:18:55 AM

had a similar situation with sportsbet.io (odds automatically lowered for my account, banned from some promotions) and they haven't gone backwards since (more than 8 months).

I had a similar experience, they blocked me from most of their promos(even though I wasn't using any promo in the past, noticed it when I was logged out and they had active promos which I couldn't see when I was logged in lol). That's when I made a switch to some other book because didn't feel respected enough ig

As for Stake, I haven't personally been blocked from any promo or got limited even when I was in good profit for two straight months(albeit it was almost a year ago Huh

).
You aren't in much profit either(sorry but a profit of 700 USD isn't reason enough to get personal for a book like Stake imo). But would like to give you benefit of the doubt. Please share some screenshot if you can.
By any chance do you bet on tennis a lot?(have seen a few accounts get in trouble for betting on tennis ~ probably courtsiding or fixed matches).

Whatever the figure, money tends to be very personal for whoever has issues with using or withdrawing it. The promos are something different as they are a marketing tool for the company, not a right on itself, so they can freely play around in search of players that will eventually offer a good return on investment for the promotion and bonus received.

Despite, I would say that blocking is a bit extreme.

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Quote from: OgNasty on August 08, 2022, 11:14:31 AM

I'm curious what exact betting behavior landed your account in this situation. The only thing that I could think of off the top of my head is that you must have been using some sort of martingale betting style to where at some point they felt the need to put a cap on how far you can take that strategy. Is it possible this or something like it is the reasoning behind your new limits? If it were me, I'd take the hint and make sure my funds were protected, but reaching out to them and seeing what they're willing to do for you or what explanation they have seems like it would also be a good idea.

Yes, that's the only scenario that I can think where a sportsbook might limit a player another scenario that I can imagine is the OP having multiple accounts or using multiple accounts from the same IP and instead of banning the account, they are just limiting it majorly. So that the usage of multiple account is curbed. It could also be that you've reached your betting limits without KYC and that you'll have to go through KYC(since you've mentioned that your betting amounts are large). Only after the user is approved, they will allow you to continue betting without limits.

It is very unlikely this is about having multiple accounts as if that was the case then most likely he would have been banned directly instead of being limited on the amount of money he can bet.

What is happening to him is something which is common at fiat casinos, which is that your account gets limited, basically a casino offers their services to recreational gamblers but professional gamblers are bad for their business, so instead of banning them they limit them, as such it is unlikely his account will ever be restored to its original state.

It’s true, multiple account is of the table here because bet limitation is not the punishment for committing that violation. I notice that the OP has same issue on multiple casino which means he is always in profit that’s why bookmaker limit the account on betting huge amount. I already saw this same scenario before which casino decrease the betting limit and worst ban the user on playing in the casino because he is not giving profit on the casino side. Casino has the right to do it if the user is hurting the business profitability.

Well, it's curious, because putting a casino in that situation and exclusively doing this type of treatment to a user is really curious, however, if the player does this type of behavior as they have been speculating, that is, he uses the martingale to those benefits, and it does it with multiple accounts, of course this can be done with multiple accounts and can lead to suspension, however the use of VPN can be an option that any casino with very good security can easily detect and this without mentioning the series of problems that can be generated if they mention that they immediately need a KYC.

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Quote from: bitbollo on August 08, 2022, 04:35:35 AM

this is a problem that occurs very often with bookmakers who use fiat (and especially with "physical" betting rooms).
Very often it is imposed as a limit to avoid scams / money laundering or suspicious match-fixing games.

They also do so when they realise that a player is a winner. They limit his bets so that he doesn't make a big hole in their finances. Kind of like the casino limit so people don't break the bank.

It is usually in their TOS, as has been mentioned, and there is nothing to be done about that.

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Quote from: mindrust on August 24, 2022, 03:44:39 PM

Quote from: rickmart on August 08, 2022, 03:18:55 AM

Hello,

Since I started betting on Stake I have rarely been disappointed, they have very good promotions, good odds, etc...

But recently, I cannot place a single bet, my stake is almost always rejected (too high). The support told me that unfortunately they cannot do much about it as it is the odd provider that fix limits for an event and for each user. Even on big events just like premier league games I cannot bet with a stake more than 0.2 mBtc (when it is possible).

I had a similar situation with sportsbet.io (odds automatically lowered for my account, banned from some promotions) and they haven't gone backwards since (more than 8 months).

Has anyone been in this situation and was able to recover afterwards normal betting configuration?

If my situation is never going to be reviewed, I might as well get my funds back right away.

You must be either using EV+ betting, arbitrage betting, sure bet etc. If you are somehow winning all the time, the casino may do this to "kindly" show you the door. In the end stake.com isn't the only game in town. You just move to the next one and hope for the best. I don't think they care if you withdraw your funds or not. They already made that clear by limiting your bets. Cool

Since you are (probably) not making them any money, you are just a burden which they are trying to get rid of without making a scene.

I also think that it will not be possible to rehabilitate and become such a player that the casino will regard as a "correct player" (from the game of which the casino does not incur losses).

I also think that there are channels of information exchange between casinos where a successful player can be recognized in another casino in advance. And then ridiculous bet limits may appear, as if hinting at the fact that the casino is not at all happy with such a player.
And he should go to another casino.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on August 18, 2022, 01:37:43 AM

Quote from: wxa7115 on August 18, 2022, 01:28:01 AM

It is very unlikely this is about having multiple accounts as if that was the case then most likely he would have been banned directly instead of being limited on the amount of money he can bet.

What is happening to him is something which is common at fiat casinos, which is that your account gets limited, basically a casino offers their services to recreational gamblers but professional gamblers are bad for their business, so instead of banning them they limit them, as such it is unlikely his account will ever be restored to its original state.

It’s true, multiple account is of the table here because bet limitation is not the punishment for committing that violation. I notice that the OP has same issue on multiple casino which means he is always in profit that’s why bookmaker limit the account on betting huge amount. I already saw this same scenario before which casino decrease the betting limit and worst ban the user on playing in the casino because he is not giving profit on the casino side. Casino has the right to do it if the user is hurting the business profitability.

I can understand why a gambler may not like this, however a casino is a business and many of them on their TOS specifically say that their services are destined for recreational gamblers only and if you are a professional gambler then you are not welcome as you bring them losses.

However if a gambler is able to somehow play with an advantage when making sport bets they have a lot of options and can use most cryptocurrency and fiat casinos or even use a bet exchanger and forget about getting limited over being a professional player

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Quote from: rickmart on August 08, 2022, 03:18:55 AM

Hello,

Since I started betting on Stake I have rarely been disappointed, they have very good promotions, good odds, etc...

But recently, I cannot place a single bet, my stake is almost always rejected (too high). The support told me that unfortunately they cannot do much about it as it is the odd provider that fix limits for an event and for each user. Even on big events just like premier league games I cannot bet with a stake more than 0.2 mBtc (when it is possible).

I had a similar situation with sportsbet.io (odds automatically lowered for my account, banned from some promotions) and they haven't gone backwards since (more than 8 months).

Has anyone been in this situation and was able to recover afterwards normal betting configuration?

If my situation is never going to be reviewed, I might as well get my funds back right away.

You must be either using EV+ betting, arbitrage betting, sure bet etc. If you are somehow winning all the time, the casino may do this to "kindly" show you the door. In the end stake.com isn't the only game in town. You just move to the next one and hope for the best. I don't think they care if you withdraw your funds or not. They already made that clear by limiting your bets. Cool

Since you are (probably) not making them any money, you are just a burden which they are trying to get rid of without making a scene.

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Quote from: rickmart on August 08, 2022, 03:18:55 AM

Hello,

Since I started betting on Stake I have rarely been disappointed, they have very good promotions, good odds, etc...

But recently, I cannot place a single bet, my stake is almost always rejected (too high). The support told me that unfortunately they cannot do much about it as it is the odd provider that fix limits for an event and for each user. Even on big events just like premier league games I cannot bet with a stake more than 0.2 mBtc (when it is possible).

I had a similar situation with sportsbet.io (odds automatically lowered for my account, banned from some promotions) and they haven't gone backwards since (more than 8 months).

Has anyone been in this situation and was able to recover afterwards normal betting configuration?

If my situation is never going to be reviewed, I might as well get my funds back right away.

Clearly you must be doing something right in terms of the bets you are making for them to take this approach to your account. Do you ever track the profitability of your betting? I am guessing you must be well into positive territory if two sites are restricting your account in this way, although I doubt it takes much for them to trigger this sort of limitation. Anyone who has been watching the betting scene for a while would know that this is a regular and expected occurrence. You just have to suck it up and move on to the next most reputable bookmaker with decent odds who will accept your bet. Unfortunately the smaller sites you end up on will likely have worse and worse odds, making squeezing a profit even harder.

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Quote from: Fortify on August 11, 2022, 03:27:12 PM

Quote from: rickmart on August 08, 2022, 03:18:55 AM

Hello,

Since I started betting on Stake I have rarely been disappointed, they have very good promotions, good odds, etc...

But recently, I cannot place a single bet, my stake is almost always rejected (too high). The support told me that unfortunately they cannot do much about it as it is the odd provider that fix limits for an event and for each user. Even on big events just like premier league games I cannot bet with a stake more than 0.2 mBtc (when it is possible).

I had a similar situation with sportsbet.io (odds automatically lowered for my account, banned from some promotions) and they haven't gone backwards since (more than 8 months).

Has anyone been in this situation and was able to recover afterwards normal betting configuration?

If my situation is never going to be reviewed, I might as well get my funds back right away.

This is a common occurrence with mostly sportbooks, if you turn out to be a gambler who is able to make a consistent profit - which is extremely difficult but not impossible, then you are likely to lose all promotional offers and may also be limited in your betting amounts. It seems rather simple when you think about it, but you could consider it underhanded and unfair behavior - the bookmakers only want people who are losing, because those people are the ones who make these gambling companies profit. They'll throw some initial promotions at you, to draw you in and gauge whether you're profitable for them, but at a certain point if you just keep withdrawing winnings, then they clamp down. The only solution is to move on to the next sportbook or work within the limits they set.

Well, the truth is that I didn't know that those types of behaviors could be taken, however, what you say makes a lot of sense, something similar happened to me when I was in college, I used to go with my friend to the casino, because we already had many strategies that we applied, normally I followed everything that has to do with even patterns and numbers and my friend used to see patterns when they were not repeated, and that was when we had to make bets, this in roulette was or meant to bet on 0, 00 as of place because it fell without a doubt, and many times, the majority worked for us and in part we made more profit than losses, then some time later, they did not let us enter anymore.

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Quote from: danadc on August 20, 2022, 12:08:48 PM

What we are interested in knowing about this thread, I am interested in knowing which casino can make the bet with the most money and which casinos are willing to pay that money if they win, it would be good if they said names of casinos and the maximum bet, can't they achieve that by asking the support of each of the casinos?

Usually, the max bet amount depends on what you're planning to bet since there are bookies that have maximum limits on their profit. You can also ask the live support of each sportsbook if you want to be sure since those types of questions are usually mentioned in their FAQs (but the answer isn't always specific).

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Quote from: rickmart on August 08, 2022, 03:18:55 AM

Hello,

Since I started betting on Stake I have rarely been disappointed, they have very good promotions, good odds, etc...

But recently, I cannot place a single bet, my stake is almost always rejected (too high). The support told me that unfortunately they cannot do much about it as it is the odd provider that fix limits for an event and for each user. Even on big events just like premier league games I cannot bet with a stake more than 0.2 mBtc (when it is possible).

I had a similar situation with sportsbet.io (odds automatically lowered for my account, banned from some promotions) and they haven't gone backwards since (more than 8 months).

Has anyone been in this situation and was able to recover afterwards normal betting configuration?

If my situation is never going to be reviewed, I might as well get my funds back right away.

I've also experienced something similar with the limit on the number of bets, maybe because the bookie doesn't want to lose a lot of money when he loses or indeed there are other factors that affect the limit on the number of bets.
but I found the same thing not only on one site, out of curiosity trying to play on several online gambling sites, it turned out that there was a limit to the number of bets and I couldn't bet large amounts.

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What we are interested in knowing about this thread, I am interested in knowing which casino can make the bet with the most money and which casinos are willing to pay that money if they win, it would be good if they said names of casinos and the maximum bet, can't they achieve that by asking the support of each of the casinos?

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Quote from: rickmart on August 08, 2022, 04:39:20 AM

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Quote from: rickmart on August 08, 2022, 03:18:55 AM

Hello,

Since I started betting on Stake I have rarely been disappointed, they have very good promotions, good odds, etc...

But recently, I cannot place a single bet, my stake is almost always rejected (too high). The support told me that unfortunately they cannot do much about it as it is the odd provider that fix limits for an event and for each user. Even on big events just like premier league games I cannot bet with a stake more than 0.2 mBtc (when it is possible).

I had a similar situation with sportsbet.io (odds automatically lowered for my account, banned from some promotions) and they haven't gone backwards since (more than 8 months).

Has anyone been in this situation and was able to recover afterwards normal betting configuration?

If my situation is never going to be reviewed, I might as well get my funds back right away.

I think the odd provider of both sites does not want to let you play more with higher bets (I don't know your history) but maybe you have won big amounts and thus they have limited you,it is a known procedure learnt from the FIAT bookies like bet365 which has a common procedure to freeze your account once you win 3000 EUR or more.

Stake cannot help you as they have no power over what the odd provider does,if you can play with any bet on slot machines or other directly managed games by Stake this just shows that it is the fault of the odds provider.

Ok So once it is frozen, no hope of recovering correct limits?

Maybe but since your account is somewhat being "mark", they could have observe your betting history moving forward and perhaps if they don't see nothing wrong, chances are they are going to lift the so called limits for your account. But still though, the contention is that it is the odd provider that smells something fishy and they put this kind of rule for their protection, whether from exploits or anything they see players taking advantage of them. As the saying goes, 'the house always win'.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on August 18, 2022, 01:28:01 AM

Quote from: vennali on August 11, 2022, 01:42:45 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on August 08, 2022, 11:14:31 AM

I'm curious what exact betting behavior landed your account in this situation. The only thing that I could think of off the top of my head is that you must have been using some sort of martingale betting style to where at some point they felt the need to put a cap on how far you can take that strategy. Is it possible this or something like it is the reasoning behind your new limits? If it were me, I'd take the hint and make sure my funds were protected, but reaching out to them and seeing what they're willing to do for you or what explanation they have seems like it would also be a good idea.

Yes, that's the only scenario that I can think where a sportsbook might limit a player another scenario that I can imagine is the OP having multiple accounts or using multiple accounts from the same IP and instead of banning the account, they are just limiting it majorly. So that the usage of multiple account is curbed. It could also be that you've reached your betting limits without KYC and that you'll have to go through KYC(since you've mentioned that your betting amounts are large). Only after the user is approved, they will allow you to continue betting without limits.

It is very unlikely this is about having multiple accounts as if that was the case then most likely he would have been banned directly instead of being limited on the amount of money he can bet.

What is happening to him is something which is common at fiat casinos, which is that your account gets limited, basically a casino offers their services to recreational gamblers but professional gamblers are bad for their business, so instead of banning them they limit them, as such it is unlikely his account will ever be restored to its original state.

It’s true, multiple account is of the table here because bet limitation is not the punishment for committing that violation. I notice that the OP has same issue on multiple casino which means he is always in profit that’s why bookmaker limit the account on betting huge amount. I already saw this same scenario before which casino decrease the betting limit and worst ban the user on playing in the casino because he is not giving profit on the casino side. Casino has the right to do it if the user is hurting the business profitability.

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Quote from: vennali on August 11, 2022, 01:42:45 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on August 08, 2022, 11:14:31 AM

I'm curious what exact betting behavior landed your account in this situation. The only thing that I could think of off the top of my head is that you must have been using some sort of martingale betting style to where at some point they felt the need to put a cap on how far you can take that strategy. Is it possible this or something like it is the reasoning behind your new limits? If it were me, I'd take the hint and make sure my funds were protected, but reaching out to them and seeing what they're willing to do for you or what explanation they have seems like it would also be a good idea.

Yes, that's the only scenario that I can think where a sportsbook might limit a player another scenario that I can imagine is the OP having multiple accounts or using multiple accounts from the same IP and instead of banning the account, they are just limiting it majorly. So that the usage of multiple account is curbed. It could also be that you've reached your betting limits without KYC and that you'll have to go through KYC(since you've mentioned that your betting amounts are large). Only after the user is approved, they will allow you to continue betting without limits.

It is very unlikely this is about having multiple accounts as if that was the case then most likely he would have been banned directly instead of being limited on the amount of money he can bet.

What is happening to him is something which is common at fiat casinos, which is that your account gets limited, basically a casino offers their services to recreational gamblers but professional gamblers are bad for their business, so instead of banning them they limit them, as such it is unlikely his account will ever be restored to its original state.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on August 10, 2022, 12:07:04 PM

The KYC verification has no bearing on your bet limits in the Sportsbook. They flagged your account, based on your bet history and they are protecting themselves, based on that.

I am not sure if you change your bet behavior, if they are going to reverse that limitation. (Once you are labelled as a high risk, they might just stay with that decision to prevent possible losses in the future)

It is like being flagged as a "Card counter".... you never lose that tag. Roll Eyes

They are also flagging people whom they suspect to try to count cards? You are serious? You have seen testimonies from players about that, or it's just rumors you have heard? Because I don't know how they can know if a player is trying to count cards or not. I'm not even sure you can beat the house edge by trying to count cards at Blackjack.

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Quote from: rickmart on August 08, 2022, 03:18:55 AM

Hello,

Since I started betting on Stake I have rarely been disappointed, they have very good promotions, good odds, etc...

But recently, I cannot place a single bet, my stake is almost always rejected (too high). The support told me that unfortunately they cannot do much about it as it is the odd provider that fix limits for an event and for each user. Even on big events just like premier league games I cannot bet with a stake more than 0.2 mBtc (when it is possible).

I had a similar situation with sportsbet.io (odds automatically lowered for my account, banned from some promotions) and they haven't gone backwards since (more than 8 months).

Has anyone been in this situation and was able to recover afterwards normal betting configuration?

If my situation is never going to be reviewed, I might as well get my funds back right away.

This is a common occurrence with mostly sportbooks, if you turn out to be a gambler who is able to make a consistent profit - which is extremely difficult but not impossible, then you are likely to lose all promotional offers and may also be limited in your betting amounts. It seems rather simple when you think about it, but you could consider it underhanded and unfair behavior - the bookmakers only want people who are losing, because those people are the ones who make these gambling companies profit. They'll throw some initial promotions at you, to draw you in and gauge whether you're profitable for them, but at a certain point if you just keep withdrawing winnings, then they clamp down. The only solution is to move on to the next sportbook or work within the limits they set.

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Quote from: rickmart on August 08, 2022, 03:18:55 AM

had a similar situation with sportsbet.io (odds automatically lowered for my account, banned from some promotions) and they haven't gone backwards since (more than 8 months).

I had a similar experience, they blocked me from most of their promos(even though I wasn't using any promo in the past, noticed it when I was logged out and they had active promos which I couldn't see when I was logged in lol). That's when I made a switch to some other book because didn't feel respected enough ig

As for Stake, I haven't personally been blocked from any promo or got limited even when I was in good profit for two straight months(albeit it was almost a year ago Huh

).
You aren't in much profit either(sorry but a profit of 700 USD isn't reason enough to get personal for a book like Stake imo). But would like to give you benefit of the doubt. Please share some screenshot if you can.
By any chance do you bet on tennis a lot?(have seen a few accounts get in trouble for betting on tennis ~ probably courtsiding or fixed matches).

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Quote from: rickmart on August 08, 2022, 03:18:55 AM

But recently, I cannot place a single bet, my stake is almost always rejected (too high). The support told me that unfortunately they cannot do much about it as it is the odd provider that fix limits for an event and for each user. Even on big events just like premier league games I cannot bet with a stake more than 0.2 mBtc (when it is possible).

I have had such issues before and not with stake.com but with another reputable platform ,when I contacted the support service they did anything either , then what I did was to just follow the new limit they placed on my account, Therefore since you've made all necessary efforts trying to resolve it, I suggest you should look into it in that way using the limit they gave you since stake.com is reputable platform and wouldn't want to stop doing business with them or you can as well register with other platforms if you want to place a higher amount of bet so that once you use out the 0.2 mBtc limit on your account on stake, then you can use alternative platform and complete your bets.

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