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legendary
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Beyond Imagination
July 01, 2013, 11:28:22 PM
Winklevoss Twins IPO is a big move, I also think digital asset is the best suitable category for bitcoin currently

The interesting thing with bitcoin is, the fundamental support behind bitcoin (mass acceptance by merchants) will only be established after it is widely accepted as an asset with high return, not the other way around. In bitcoin's world, almost everything is against the traditional wisdom  Grin Grin
newbie
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July 01, 2013, 11:21:01 PM
We need to market bitcoin like its a new product. Companies spend millions and never sell anything. We can start small with T-shirts From a website like www.thebitcoinminingoutlet.com.. Here is a great place to pick up a T-shirt and support our cause.
hero member
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July 01, 2013, 09:36:47 PM
Comparisons to the internet and it's growth are utterly irrelevent.

The internet allowed people to do so many things that just weren't possible before the internet and it has utterly transformed peoples lives and the methods of interactions, shopping, entertainment etc.

By comparison Bitcoin does virtually nothing that cannot be achieved already with money. It is a potential store of value/speculation, but at its heart was designed to be a payment mechanism and it has yet to prove to the masses that it is a better or cheaper payment mechanism than that which exists already.

As for the state of the Bitcoin economy, there are a number of BTC evangelists (mainly on here) who do buy stuff with Bitcoins, but the rest of the use is either gambling, illegal purchases or the biggest use of Bitcoin - buying it hoping that some other people will use it and it'll go up in value. Until that changes it's a rough-ride folks.

I guess you had to be there. The internet in the mid 90's was about as welcome as PC-DOS was in the late 80's. Most people back then did not want to use the internet, after all they could get the news on TV or newspaper and didn't have to wait for images to slowly display, line by agonising line over a 2400 baud modem that hogged their telephone line. Where was the advantage in that, they would say, given the cost and hassle of setting things up. Email? No one else they knew had it so there was no point, it was useless.  99.9% of people haven't heard of bitcoin; for most of those that had 4 months ago it was akin to a kids gaming currency; to even be taken serious by a gov't agency is a major step forward. If you don't think it's got promise and potential that's fine, but don't write it off just yet. You don't have to be starry eyed, but at least be open-minded.
legendary
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July 01, 2013, 09:31:01 PM
Comparisons to the internet and it's growth are utterly irrelevent.

The internet allowed people to do so many things that just weren't possible before the internet and it has utterly transformed peoples lives and the methods of interactions, shopping, entertainment etc.

By comparison Bitcoin does virtually nothing that cannot be achieved already with money. It is a potential store of value/speculation, but at its heart was designed to be a payment mechanism and it has yet to prove to the masses that it is a better or cheaper payment mechanism than that which exists already.

As for the state of the Bitcoin economy, there are a number of BTC evangelists (mainly on here) who do buy stuff with Bitcoins, but the rest of the use is either gambling, illegal purchases or the biggest use of Bitcoin - buying it hoping that some other people will use it and it'll go up in value. Until that changes it's a rough-ride folks.

This is the most realistic post in the thread.

Bitcoin is not the new internet.  It is not the new Paypal.  It is not the new ecommerce, or dotcom boom.  It is not a shiny new toy for the world which will be joyfully adopted by teenaged girls and grandmas.

It is something much grimmer then that.  It is a response to, and a defense against the increasing repression by the corporate and governmental powers that be which has been enormously facilitated by the internet.

Reading Satoshi's posts this is very clear.  Did he sound to anyone like some starry eyed web entrepreneur?

So far, its only real advantages have been in circumventing drug prohibition, contributions to banned organizations, tax avoidance, and "money laundering".  It's nature is to be against the system.  That isn't going to change, and I predict that all the purveyors of techno-utopian Silicon Valley happy-talk are going to waste millions before they
recognize this.

The year is not 1992.  The year is 1984.  The world is not about to enter a boom.  The financial system is absurdly overburdened with debt, and global demographics point to a catastrophic decline, and quite likely large scale war, over the next 20 years.  Power has become more and more concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, and those entities, whether states or corporations are actively seeking to increase their control over the masses.

Like it or not, the role of Bitcoin is as a weapon of resistance. 

*slow clap*

+1
hero member
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Minimum Effort/Maximum effect
July 01, 2013, 09:27:21 PM
Comparisons to the internet and it's growth are utterly irrelevent.

The internet allowed people to do so many things that just weren't possible before the internet and it has utterly transformed peoples lives and the methods of interactions, shopping, entertainment etc.

By comparison Bitcoin does virtually nothing that cannot be achieved already with money. It is a potential store of value/speculation, but at its heart was designed to be a payment mechanism and it has yet to prove to the masses that it is a better or cheaper payment mechanism than that which exists already.

As for the state of the Bitcoin economy, there are a number of BTC evangelists (mainly on here) who do buy stuff with Bitcoins, but the rest of the use is either gambling, illegal purchases or the biggest use of Bitcoin - buying it hoping that some other people will use it and it'll go up in value. Until that changes it's a rough-ride folks.

This is the most realistic post in the thread.

Bitcoin is not the new internet.  It is not the new Paypal.  It is not the new ecommerce, or dotcom boom.  It is not a shiny new toy for the world which will be joyfully adopted by teenaged girls and grandmas.

It is something much grimmer then that.  It is a response to, and a defense against the increasing repression by the corporate and governmental powers that be which has been enormously facilitated by the internet.

Reading Satoshi's posts this is very clear.  Did he sound to anyone like some starry eyed web entrepreneur?

So far, its only real advantages have been in circumventing drug prohibition, contributions to banned organizations, tax avoidance, and "money laundering".  It's nature is to be against the system.  That isn't going to change, and I predict that all the purveyors of techno-utopian Silicon Valley happy-talk are going to waste millions before they
recognize this.

The year is not 1992.  The year is 1984.  The world is not about to enter a boom.  The financial system is absurdly overburdened with debt, and global demographics point to a catastrophic decline, and quite likely large scale war, over the next 20 years.  Power has become more and more concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, and those entities, whether states or corporations are actively seeking to increase their control over the masses.

Like it or not, the role of Bitcoin is as a weapon of resistance. 

Bitcoin is most definitely a weapon, the weapon of choice for mass Intelligence, information. It is basically encouraging 3 million current users to learn; What is money? learn about the money system and how it is built, to question why people have to work 2-3 jobs with their spouses and soon their children too. What does the system do? does it encourage consumerism? does it establish schools as the single source of life education? We know the Neo-Keynsian model, force them to work, force them to spend... is this healthy?

Bitcoin is definitely a response to our current system with the question; Why the hell do you need my name and payment information just to read your article?

  Power is being concentrated, a paycheck is increasingly being used as the weapon of choice to control the masses as it ever dwindles into fewer and fewer hands; Can you believe that out of the billions made by online companies the ones who benefit could fill up a medium sized stadium? What will you do with money when it is hoarded by the 1 percent and it becomes harder and harder to make them spend it... do you see an analogy with Bitcoin?
  Automation is not helping out either, it just strikes me as funny that a message was sent out with this software; We can automate your industries too and your money and power has prevented your industry from being automated even though it is easier to automate than the auto industry.

  Bitcoin is a system a technique for freedom from mass serialization... do you know your number? is it tattood on your skin along with your bank account number and information, are these governments and corporations truly entitled to have this knowledge about you? Why shouldn't we? you know there are laws against people opening your mail, why can they read your e-mails? They are amassing so much knowledge about us, why not let us all see what you are up to too? If you get too tired and need to re-invent yourself in Bitcoin you just need to make a new address and start fresh, in the real world your information follows you till the day you die.
 
As society further entrenches itself in new laws and new lines of power created by our current system a new one must be created with a better foundation to create a new path that these laws do not allow us to follow. Bitcoin is creating incredible innovation it is letting people see things in a new way without the baggage from the old, we will only take what is useful from the old to the new. Think of all the barriers they create through laws that control us in a broken system that lobbies for our strict control as if we were cattle, think of all the fear that is created as the purveyors of purchasing power now control who and what we can empower, should a system as big as that of the credit cards, banks be this politisised that it controls through fear what is allowed without government mandate from the people.
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
July 01, 2013, 07:59:22 PM
Why do you mine bitcoin?
To buy USB Block Erupter
What is the use of a USB Block Erupter?
To mine bitcoin
 Grin Grin Grin
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
July 01, 2013, 07:50:24 PM
The concentration of hash power due to ASIC is a negative thing for the moment, hope that evens out quickly

Before, GPUs are available to everyone, a gamer with 1-2 ATI graphic cards can start mining right away without any investment, and a tiny $1000 investment will get anyone a decent rig of 1GH, which mines half a coin per today for many months, almost no barrier of entry

Most of the people are IT enthusiasts, mining is fun, and most of them don't really looking for a serious income

But now in ASIC era, with more and more manufacturer defined devices, that fun is lost more or less. Many people are looking for quick profit, since miners are the biggest actor in bitcoin economy, without more and more miner join the game due to barrier of entry, the bitcoin popularity will go down

And coin generation halfs every 4 years do not help either, soon at 2016 people will realize that 75% of all the coins are already mined and the game has almost finished its initial distribution of wealth, there will be even less people join the mining game

At that stage, the driven power for bitcoin popularity could be the collapse of fiat money or the huge support from some large enterprise. But I guess any corporation with some serious real economy output during a fiat money crisis would prefer to issue their own money instead of let a bunch of geeks who sitting on the pre-mined coins benefit from their economy significance

So it takes time, those large bitcoin holders must drive the real/virtual economy behind it to further increase its utility. The possible scenario I can think of: Some super popular IT product that is only payable in bitcoin
newbie
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July 01, 2013, 06:02:41 PM
#99
Comparisons to the internet and it's growth are utterly irrelevent.

The internet allowed people to do so many things that just weren't possible before the internet and it has utterly transformed peoples lives and the methods of interactions, shopping, entertainment etc.

By comparison Bitcoin does virtually nothing that cannot be achieved already with money. It is a potential store of value/speculation, but at its heart was designed to be a payment mechanism and it has yet to prove to the masses that it is a better or cheaper payment mechanism than that which exists already.

As for the state of the Bitcoin economy, there are a number of BTC evangelists (mainly on here) who do buy stuff with Bitcoins, but the rest of the use is either gambling, illegal purchases or the biggest use of Bitcoin - buying it hoping that some other people will use it and it'll go up in value. Until that changes it's a rough-ride folks.

This is the most realistic post in the thread.

Bitcoin is not the new internet.  It is not the new Paypal.  It is not the new ecommerce, or dotcom boom.  It is not a shiny new toy for the world which will be joyfully adopted by teenaged girls and grandmas.

It is something much grimmer then that.  It is a response to, and a defense against the increasing repression by the corporate and governmental powers that be which has been enormously facilitated by the internet.

Reading Satoshi's posts this is very clear.  Did he sound to anyone like some starry eyed web entrepreneur?

So far, its only real advantages have been in circumventing drug prohibition, contributions to banned organizations, tax avoidance, and "money laundering".  It's nature is to be against the system.  That isn't going to change, and I predict that all the purveyors of techno-utopian Silicon Valley happy-talk are going to waste millions before they
recognize this.

The year is not 1992.  The year is 1984.  The world is not about to enter a boom.  The financial system is absurdly overburdened with debt, and global demographics point to a catastrophic decline, and quite likely large scale war, over the next 20 years.  Power has become more and more concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, and those entities, whether states or corporations are actively seeking to increase their control over the masses.

Like it or not, the role of Bitcoin is as a weapon of resistance.  


believe me i for one sipped the bitcoin kool aid and we do need positive change in the world. However i'm all too familiar with boilerroom type hype and wow it's getting hot up in here!!!LOL;)

>>WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
member
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It From Bit
July 01, 2013, 05:52:40 PM
#98
Comparisons to the internet and it's growth are utterly irrelevent.

The internet allowed people to do so many things that just weren't possible before the internet and it has utterly transformed peoples lives and the methods of interactions, shopping, entertainment etc.

By comparison Bitcoin does virtually nothing that cannot be achieved already with money. It is a potential store of value/speculation, but at its heart was designed to be a payment mechanism and it has yet to prove to the masses that it is a better or cheaper payment mechanism than that which exists already.

As for the state of the Bitcoin economy, there are a number of BTC evangelists (mainly on here) who do buy stuff with Bitcoins, but the rest of the use is either gambling, illegal purchases or the biggest use of Bitcoin - buying it hoping that some other people will use it and it'll go up in value. Until that changes it's a rough-ride folks.

This is the most realistic post in the thread.

Bitcoin is not the new internet.  It is not the new Paypal.  It is not the new ecommerce, or dotcom boom.  It is not a shiny new toy for the world which will be joyfully adopted by teenaged girls and grandmas.

It is something much grimmer then that.  It is a response to, and a defense against the increasing repression by the corporate and governmental powers that be which has been enormously facilitated by the internet.

Reading Satoshi's posts this is very clear.  Did he sound to anyone like some starry eyed web entrepreneur?

So far, its only real advantages have been in circumventing drug prohibition, contributions to banned organizations, tax avoidance, and "money laundering".  It's nature is to be against the system.  That isn't going to change, and I predict that all the purveyors of techno-utopian Silicon Valley happy-talk are going to waste millions before they
recognize this.

The year is not 1992.  The year is 1984.  The world is not about to enter a boom.  The financial system is absurdly overburdened with debt, and global demographics point to a catastrophic decline, and quite likely large scale war, over the next 20 years.  Power has become more and more concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, and those entities, whether states or corporations are actively seeking to increase their control over the masses.

Like it or not, the role of Bitcoin is as a weapon of resistance. 
newbie
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July 01, 2013, 05:47:32 PM
#97
Bitcoin penetration is now in illegal drugs, and gambling. A new good or method is canalized to the most needed places first. This is totally in line with the market, unavoidable and positive.

What's next? A third of all trade in Kenya is currently done with a sort of mobile money system. The operator eats 10 percent of each transaction, and still the people there prefers it. Then, take into account that their payment isn't really money, it is a transfer of debt just like a bank transfer. The feeling of getting bitcoins ringing into you phone is a totally different experience, it is something like holding a gold coin. A soon as they start to use bitcoins, they must feel it too.

Most people do not need to know the details of the crypto, the mining and so on. They need only rules of thumb for backup and password selection, and such things. Confidence will come with experience and via the jungle telegraph.

There are no obstacles to a wide adoption, only inertia.

i first heard about TOR - SILK ROAD - DARKWEB - BITCOIN last spring from pharmaceutical researchers living in Amhurst, Massachusetts. Widespread adoption will be difficult because of the amound of disk space involved and "backdoors" written in the code!!!! Not to mention promoters who frontloaded and censor anyone who quetions their authority on Bitcoin!!!!


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>>> WTF PEOPLE!!!!>>>HELP ME!!!!
newbie
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July 01, 2013, 05:29:42 PM
#96
I think the biggest obstacle Bitcoin has ever faced, and will continue to face, is ignorance. Bitcoin presents a set of serious advances in the world of commerce and finance, though the masses have yet to educate themselves of these advances. The greatest service we could do to both Bitcoin and our fellow peers is to spread the word, disseminate knowledge, and introduce those around us to this new technology. I found out about Bitcoin 3 years ago, but only in the last year have I truly understood the full scope of its paradigm shifting nature. Though we might think progress is coming slowly, or maybe not coming at all, consider this: just over 6 years ago there was no such thing as Bitcoin, and now it's the most highly valued currency on the planet.


This is exactly wrong!

Sorry for being direct, but ignorance doesn't stop something being successful!

For instance, do you know how your electric is produced - down to which power station is supplying your electricity, and what size fuses you have in your property?  

Do you know exactly how your food is produced, down to which farm your burgers came from?

Do you know exactly how to produce, write and perform in a sci fi movie?  Do you need to to pay for a ticket and to enjoy the show?

For almost everyone, the answer is no - yet they help do their part in making the economy work for those markets!

The general public don't need to know hardly anything about bitcoin - except that it works, and is a trustworthy way to buy and sell goods.

This isn't about education, its about trust and benefits - without enough of these, bitcoin isn't going to work!

Smiley


i agree the chinese have a clear advantage mining bitcoins because of the lack of regulations in the Nuclear Power field...in fact U.S. corporations set them up there because of this fact!!!

= RADIOACTIVE BITCOINS!!!LOL

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July 01, 2013, 05:15:27 PM
#95
Bitcoin penetration is now in illegal drugs, and gambling. A new good or method is canalized to the most needed places first. This is totally in line with the market, unavoidable and positive.

What's next? A third of all trade in Kenya is currently done with a sort of mobile money system. The operator eats 10 percent of each transaction, and still the people there prefers it. Then, take into account that their payment isn't really money, it is a transfer of debt just like a bank transfer. The feeling of getting bitcoins ringing into you phone is a totally different experience, it is something like holding a gold coin. A soon as they start to use bitcoins, they must feel it too.

Most people do not need to know the details of the crypto, the mining and so on. They need only rules of thumb for backup and password selection, and such things. Confidence will come with experience and via the jungle telegraph.

There are no obstacles to a wide adoption, only inertia.
newbie
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July 01, 2013, 05:04:06 PM
#94



the most highly valued currency on the planet is Gold no? something like 1200+-USD per coin?

>>WTF!!!!!
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July 01, 2013, 04:58:55 PM
#93
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July 01, 2013, 04:53:35 PM
#92
I think the biggest obstacle Bitcoin has ever faced, and will continue to face, is ignorance. Bitcoin presents a set of serious advances in the world of commerce and finance, though the masses have yet to educate themselves of these advances. The greatest service we could do to both Bitcoin and our fellow peers is to spread the word, disseminate knowledge, and introduce those around us to this new technology. I found out about Bitcoin 3 years ago, but only in the last year have I truly understood the full scope of its paradigm shifting nature. Though we might think progress is coming slowly, or maybe not coming at all, consider this: just over 6 years ago there was no such thing as Bitcoin, and now it's the most highly valued currency on the planet.


This is exactly wrong!

Sorry for being direct, but ignorance doesn't stop something being successful!

For instance, do you know how your electric is produced - down to which power station is supplying your electricity, and what size fuses you have in your property?  

Do you know exactly how your food is produced, down to which farm your burgers came from?

Do you know exactly how to produce, write and perform in a sci fi movie?  Do you need to to pay for a ticket and to enjoy the show?

For almost everyone, the answer is no - yet they help do their part in making the economy work for those markets!

The general public don't need to know hardly anything about bitcoin - except that it works, and is a trustworthy way to buy and sell goods.

This isn't about education, its about trust and benefits - without enough of these, bitcoin isn't going to work!

Smiley


For every single one of those examples that you listed, their adoption and widespread use depends on massively monopolistic structures which are in many, if not all cases, State sponsored. It's not like we really have much of a say in any of those choices. It's what our systems provide us. Bitcoin is a decentralized and open source system. This makes it's adoption entirely a product of people's awareness and willful choice to use it. This is necessarily limited by their knowledge of what it is and how it works (I'm not going to put my fiat fortunes into a shady software in which I have no clue how it works).  It's my opinion that Linux is a vastly superior operating system to Windows. However, because Microsoft creates monopolies through their legal and corporate manipulations, operating systems like Linux (open-source, free, and community driven) get the short end of the stick. They don't have as many applications written for them, or anywhere near as much market share in many different regards. This is the cost of having something being free/decentralized/open source. It's adoption can't be forced on the world through law or capitalism. It must be sought out by those who seek to use it for its benefits.
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July 01, 2013, 04:39:08 PM
#91
I think the biggest obstacle Bitcoin has ever faced, and will continue to face, is ignorance. Bitcoin presents a set of serious advances in the world of commerce and finance, though the masses have yet to educate themselves of these advances. The greatest service we could do to both Bitcoin and our fellow peers is to spread the word, disseminate knowledge, and introduce those around us to this new technology. I found out about Bitcoin 3 years ago, but only in the last year have I truly understood the full scope of its paradigm shifting nature. Though we might think progress is coming slowly, or maybe not coming at all, consider this: just over 6 years ago there was no such thing as Bitcoin, and now it's the most highly valued currency on the planet.


This is exactly wrong!

Sorry for being direct, but ignorance doesn't stop something being successful!

For instance, do you know how your electric is produced - down to which power station is supplying your electricity, and what size fuses you have in your property?  

Do you know exactly how your food is produced, down to which farm your burgers came from?

Do you know exactly how to produce, write and perform in a sci fi movie?  Do you need to to pay for a ticket and to enjoy the show?

For almost everyone, the answer is no - yet they help do their part in making the economy work for those markets!

The general public don't need to know hardly anything about bitcoin - except that it works, and is a trustworthy way to buy and sell goods.

This isn't about education, its about trust and benefits - without enough of these, bitcoin isn't going to work!

Smiley
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July 01, 2013, 04:35:30 PM
#90
I couldn't disagree more.

The reason bitcoin is valued in double digits currently is due to speculation that there will be greater demand for holding coins in the future and thus the current exchange rate is justified or undervalued even.

But what causes this demand to hold coins?   

Simply as a store of value?  Certainly, those who bought in early April and still hold those coins don't think bitcoin is such a great store of value.   There are a number of stores of value with less risk than Bitcoin at these exchange rates.

When Bitcoin is used as a medium of exchange that creates demand for coins.  You can't send a Bitcoin payment without first acquiring those coins.  If a business receives coins as revenue and then will be using bitcoins in the future for purchasing goods and services, or paying out dividends, then the merchant is likely to hold a balance of coins for the short duration between when the revenue transaction occurred and when the spending will occur.     Holding the coins for that short amount of time, though, decreases the quantity available for sale at the exchanges and, in aggregate, bitcoin gaining traction as a currency causes the exchange rate to rise.

It doesn't matter where the demand for bitcoins comes from ...   whether it be as a means of exchange, remittance payments, speculation (hoarding), forex trading, etc., .... any coin that doesn't end up being sold means less resistance to a rising exchange rate.

The reason traction in retail and e-commerce is seen as so important by many is because of what it will do to the exchange rate if it happens.   If it happens, a BTC/USD of $10,000 is not crazy talk.  Without it, a BTC/USD of $2 might be the more fair valuation.


Consider someone that stores $100,000 of value in bitcoins for a year, and during that year, someone who only uses them for daily transactions, and so only holds on average of $100 worth at any given time.  You'd need a thousand of the latter guys to affect the total valuation as much as a single one of the former.  That's why I don't think it's a requirement that the masses use Bitcoin in everyday transactions in order for it to be valuable, though it would of course help.  Keep in mind that people currently store much greater amounts of value than all the bitcoins are worth in assets that are much worse, technically, than Bitcoin.  Re: volatility, I'm willing to chalk it up to Bitcoin being new and in a state of flux.
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July 01, 2013, 04:30:52 PM
#89
your siggy~>LOL!!!

" If we hit that bullseye the rest of the bitcoins will fall like a house of cards. ...Checkmate! "


membermark from me to you !!!!


>>>I GOT LOVE FOR YOU GUYS!!!!!
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July 01, 2013, 04:29:53 PM
#88
I think the biggest obstacle Bitcoin has ever faced, and will continue to face, is ignorance. Bitcoin presents a set of serious advances in the world of commerce and finance, though the masses have yet to educate themselves of these advances. The greatest service we could do to both Bitcoin and our fellow peers is to spread the word, disseminate knowledge, and introduce those around us to this new technology. I found out about Bitcoin 3 years ago, but only in the last year have I truly understood the full scope of its paradigm shifting nature. Though we might think progress is coming slowly, or maybe not coming at all, consider this: just over 6 years ago there was no such thing as Bitcoin, and now it's the most highly valued currency on the planet.
newbie
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July 01, 2013, 04:26:38 PM
#87
It's too useful as a store of value, and that utility will inevitably drive it into more people's hands, driving up the price, stabilizing the price with larger volume, boosting mining incentive to make the system more secure, and increasing development and infrastructural investment in a virtuous cycle.

I couldn't disagree more.

The reason bitcoin is valued in double digits currently is due to speculation that there will be greater demand for holding coins in the future and thus the current exchange rate is justified or undervalued even.

But what causes this demand to hold coins?   

Simply as a store of value?  Certainly, those who bought in early April and still hold those coins don't think bitcoin is such a great store of value.   There are a number of stores of value with less risk than Bitcoin at these exchange rates.

When Bitcoin is used as a medium of exchange that creates demand for coins.  You can't send a Bitcoin payment without first acquiring those coins.  If a business receives coins as revenue and then will be using bitcoins in the future for purchasing goods and services, or paying out dividends, then the merchant is likely to hold a balance of coins for the short duration between when the revenue transaction occurred and when the spending will occur.     Holding the coins for that short amount of time, though, decreases the quantity available for sale at the exchanges and, in aggregate, bitcoin gaining traction as a currency causes the exchange rate to rise.

It doesn't matter where the demand for bitcoins comes from ...   whether it be as a means of exchange, remittance payments, speculation (hoarding), forex trading, etc., .... any coin that doesn't end up being sold means less resistance to a rising exchange rate.

The reason traction in retail and e-commerce is seen as so important by many is because of what it will do to the exchange rate if it happens.   If it happens, a BTC/USD of $10,000 is not crazy talk.  Without it, a BTC/USD of $2 might be the more fair valuation.





hold coins?    how can you hold something invisible other than those "bitcoins" from Utah!!!LOL

>>>WTF!!!!!

Smoothie did you get banned again?

does that guy work for the bitcoin numismatics dept?Huh


>>>WTFFFF!!!!
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