Topic: State of Vermont ( Single Payer Healthcare ) puts Obamacare to shame!! - page 2. (Read 2473 times)

So then my point about NHS on this thread under the Politics & Society would be valid then, would you say? You don't have to agree with it, nor with the link of course.

i agree that bitcoin is the medicine for money - and the medicine for many other social ills.

Bitcointalk.org is across the world and the new medicine for money 

If you want to have an argument about palliative care, you might want to do it on a medical forum - the argument you made can be made to any private or public hospice facility, across the world.

Indeed, very err... efficient:
Patients with terminal illnesses are being made to die prematurely under an NHS scheme to help end their lives, leading doctors have warned.
In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, a group of experts who care for the terminally ill claim that some patients are being wrongly judged as close to death.
Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.
But this approach can also mask the signs that their condition is improving, the experts warn.
As a result the scheme is causing a “national crisis” in patient care, the letter states. It has been signed palliative care experts including Professor Peter Millard, Emeritus Professor of Geriatrics, University of London, Dr Peter Hargreaves, a consultant in Palliative Medicine at St Luke’s cancer centre in Guildford, and four others.
“Forecasting death is an inexact science,”they say. Patients are being diagnosed as being close to death “without regard to the fact that the diagnosis could be wrong.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6127514/Sentenced-to-death-on-the-NHS.html

The NHS works extremely well and leads to much better health outcomes overall as compared to the US system.

I am against single centralized anything when managed by bureaucrats where the laws do not apply to them or staff members.

At least make your case for single payer OPENLY Mr Obama. Make like the blockchain. No back door deals, no sausage making behind the scene anymore. This is what you told us. Hopenchange!
Again the most transparent WH eva had to lie to push their doodoo sandwish but now had exploded like a 1 ton of firecrackers in a full portable toilet.

Main stream media did and are still doing their best to save their "All IN" bet on their lying horse,  "Keynesian Savannas" but people are finally waking up to this fraud.

Its single payer so while of course its more efficient, I thought most Americans would sooner die poor than have a "socialist" type system.

No bailout comes without a price.

I'll give you this wad of cash, chump.  Then you owes me....See?

Romneycare was much better than this one. Because Romney is an intelligent person who knows how to spend money, unlike the idiot Obama.

This is getting worse and worse the more you learn about it:

^^ I better hit costco and buy popcorn in bulk. Its Shenanigan St. there is no telling whats going to go down.

If the democrats are talking insurance companies bail out in a few months you will know for sure it was pre programmed, cooked in the book from the get go, as it was part of the law.

Of course I could be wrong and no one, not even me will remember that scenario if that never happen. But if the word is NOT used but instead it is about saving an industry, injecting money, saving healthcare from itself, a need to be bold, using common sense about the insurance industry, any form of all above etc, etc... then yep it will be a bail out.

Hell yeah!! Vermont is putting the rest of the country to shame .. i hope some other states follow.






Holy ****! Did you say insurance bailout! So is there a pre-determined crash time?! Is that why they spent 600 million on a website that doesnt work because it was never supposed to work... Is it pump and dump healthcare and bail it out time?

My god... its worse than i thought!









Lol...   Yes its ok if you are skeptical..  
 
I passed up a sign that said "hope" a thousand miles back and i just chuckled at it..



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Ill tell you guys a short story about the time i was at a stop light about to make a u-turn to go to a carwash.

I didnt make the red light so i just sat there waiting for it to turn and there was a guy hodling a sign that said "Lost a 300 hundred pound cat.. please honk if you see him!"

I laughed to myself and rolled down my window and gave this guy a dollar and then i gave him another since he made me laugh and all..

I then made a u-turn and pulled in into the carwash. They take your car and at the last moment it pulls out of the machine then a couple guys dry it by hand and so as i was waiting on my car to get washed i noticed the guy across the street still doing his thing in the middle of the island with the sign ..

At one moment he starts walking across the street and makes a beeline move towards me and i was thinking oh man i hope he doesnt ask for more money .. i already gave him $2!

Luckily my car was almost done so i jumped in my car and quickly tipped the carwash guy a few dollars and got in my car and closed the door! LOL The bum crossing the street kept coming towards me and he got about 4 feet from my car and he turned to one of the guys who were drying the cars and the rat bastid gave the two dollars i gave him for making me laugh ...to one of the guys drying cars and proceeded to get into a brand new 750 il BMW that was in line and had just got washed... and then he drove away in the beemer!

My last hope for humanity was lost right there! LOL

I was sitting there thinking.. poor guy, he is in his old age in the middle of the street begging for money..  Little did i know i was on shinanigans st! Nothing is as it seems and you should not trust anything!

So skeptical ... yeah!!! A lil bit.. lolz

Its kinda like bitcoin tho..  even if it failed they cant put the idea back in the bag! I hope Vermont rocks that s***!!

We need more states to follow!

I hate it.  But nonetheless am obliged to point out that it is different in deliverables and likely efficiency than a similar thing attempted to be delivered from Washington.

don't anarchists hate this idea? single payer systems means the healthcare industry becomes centralized. non-profit health providers means governments are controlling the system.

Hope and change?

It's okay if I am skeptical, right?

But on the flip side I've always thought states could pull things off that the additional layer of corruption and red tape of Wash Dc could not possibly accomplish.

It was not insane for the people who kept an eye on Pelosi ''“But we have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what’s in it....”

Now get ready for the next madness. Learn it by heart. Remember when your read it the first on a bitcoin forum. You got mad about a Wall Street bailout?
Next: insurance companies bailout. This close is built in the law.


[T]here are deep-in-the-weeds protections baked into the Affordable Care Act: risk adjustment, reinsurance, and risk corridors…
…[R]isk corridors will play the biggest role if the individual mandate does get delayed. Their entire purpose is to stabilize premiums during the first three years of Obamacare, when it’s especially difficult for insurers to price plans.
Here’s how it works: exchange plans (QHPs) projected how much their risk pool would cost overall in 2014, their “target” cost. If they’ve significantly miscalculated—or, say, if a mandate delay causes adverse selection that they couldn’t have predicted—HHS will take action…

What I thought was ridiculous about the whole obamacare debate is that I bet like 3-1 people wanted lower healthcare costs versus making sure everyone is covered. And then the only thin we got is free healthcare for poor people and the costs keep going up and up. It's insane.

exactly how could this be better than romneycare?

Less actual options, overwhelming costs etc?