Stay alert and keep suspect of when someone is helping you out of your wallet

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Quote from: AVE5 on April 18, 2024, 08:45:43 PM

Today I got stocked of my fund in an exchange wallet which I couldn't process my intended P2P transaction due to where the fund was sent and it required processes which I couldn't help myself out of it. So I contacted a friend and he was guiding me all through by sharing my wallet pages with him through screenshots so that the instructions would be easier to follow.
It actually went successfully and I appreciated his efforts.

Meanwhile as I'm not so conversant with crypto wallets yet, while I was taking down those instructions from him, I was attentive to catch up any misconceptions of him sending me a wallet that's not mine and asked me to paste at the relevant place where I'm to direct my fund to because the process was so technical of copying and pasting of my wallets, going front and back. Oh damn. I was also attentive so that I don't feel so loosed of myself if Incase he ask me to send my seed phase so that he can check out what's really the issue but though he didn't do any of those suspects.

I basically brought it this up here because such suspectiousness is possible to happen and those who're easily trusted, those who're not familiar with wallets and even some person's could just say "oh damn I'm tired of this whole thing, the fund is kind of lost maybe I should just ignore any risk for the lost of a hopeless fund that seems unrecoverable" and then, such person could be loose guarded by failing such of the suspects victims.
So I hope some person's who are not conversant with operating their assets wallets would always be careful and sensitive whenever someone is playing helping role on your wallet.
As long as my instincts could whisper me Such though, then it's assumed to possibly happen even though non of us here has fallen victim of it.
Careful newbies and careful all

Well as long as you don't disclose your seed phrase to him I think your account is still safe, but you really need to be careful because those who happens to be your close friend can even do beyond what you think nor imagine that they could do. I hardly trust people due to the things that is happening nowadays, if I May ask this friend of yours did you met him in social media or you see him often times? Because most people can pretend to help you when they're indirectly gaining access to your wallet.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on April 22, 2024, 11:03:54 PM

It is definitely a cause for suspicion if a person comes forward to help you for no reason and if that help is in the case of your wallet. Wallet is a very important thing, no matter how much we invest if our wallet is not secure but our money will not be safe and if money is not safe there is no point in investing there. There are many such fraudsters who will message you on Telegram or any other site by themselves and through the message they will try to know your wallet information. As a strategy to get information, they will point out various problems of your wallet in front of you unnecessarily, so if you are confused by hearing these words, you will share some information of your wallet with them and this information is enough for them to cheat. If the private information of the wallet can be saved, then the wallet does not have much problem, I think we have to be careful not to fall into the trap of such fraudsters.

I agree with you, there're definitely dubious people in this Crypto sphere would may disguise to be good Samaritans to help you out from a needy or even when you make a public post in need of help pertaining your wallet, a lot of them would show helpful interests to you claiming to really help while they're of selfish mindedness just garnering to get access to your wallet.
Sometimes they may sincerely help but keeping your wallet on watch to steal your funds in a way that you wouldn't even have to them on suspect.

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It is definitely a cause for suspicion if a person comes forward to help you for no reason and if that help is in the case of your wallet. Wallet is a very important thing, no matter how much we invest if our wallet is not secure but our money will not be safe and if money is not safe there is no point in investing there. There are many such fraudsters who will message you on Telegram or any other site by themselves and through the message they will try to know your wallet information. As a strategy to get information, they will point out various problems of your wallet in front of you unnecessarily, so if you are confused by hearing these words, you will share some information of your wallet with them and this information is enough for them to cheat. If the private information of the wallet can be saved, then the wallet does not have much problem, I think we have to be careful not to fall into the trap of such fraudsters.

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Quote from: Coyster on April 21, 2024, 01:22:32 PM

Do things yourself then, you have the internet and Bitcointalk to help you, ask questions here and search online to see if you can get a guide to help you solve your problem. If you grant someone access to your wallet, they can steal your seed phrase and import your wallet into their device and then steal your coins.

The wallet you are talking about here is an exchange wallet. Though you should not keep your assets in a centralized exchange, but the person helping your out cannot steal your seed phrase, because you do not have any when you use an exchange wallet, they can only deceive you to send your assets to a wrong address that they control.

You're right. The encounter was very much risky and I also don't have to trust excessively because I don't know what's in the mind of the other.
Beside they are actually operations that I'm supposed to do by myself and I only owe to research and consult without sharing my wallet screenshots as I did because there could be slight mistakes of me to had shared some of my private keys without being aware or the risky exposure.

I should really adapt to do lot of privacy works by myself because such as a helper may not be there always in helping out.
Hopefully I'm urged to had learnt some lessions out of the replies got here.

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Quote from: AVE5 on April 20, 2024, 05:06:20 AM

Trust but having every moves suspicious would actually save us some regrets of time.

Just trust no one if it's about wallets, crypto balances, etc. Whether you're new or not, don't trust anybody because if you've seen the news in the past.

There have been incidents that they're attacked with a $5 wrench and the other were even worst. Got kidnapped because they know that you've got some crypto money.

Actually, your problem is easier because it's on the exchange and all you have to do if you've got concerned is to contact the exchange to do the help for you.

So, all of the possibilities that will be threatening to you because you've already disclosed that you're holding some funds there could happen to you.

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Quote from: un_rank on April 19, 2024, 12:43:16 AM

If it is an exchange wallet as you said you do not have a seedphrase that the friend can steal. You probably copied the wrong wallet address among the options and needed to make an internal transfer to your funding wallet. All the friend would have been able to do is to take you email address and try to guess your password and gain access to your account or to send you a phishing link were you will enter your log in details.

Always stay vigilant.

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I was surprised when he started with an exchange and ended up saying seed phrase. What you said was possible to happen but I don't just think the guy in the other side is that savvy to be that smart.

Quote from: Findingnemo on April 19, 2024, 09:40:58 AM

I just want to say that doing trades or moving funds in and out of exchange is not at all a complicated process, exchange made it very simple and the only thing we need to do is just copy paste. So just get yourself familiar with that then you won't be in need of help from anyone.
As others pointed out, don't trust your money with anyone but what you did is not really risky you just asked for a guidance and the person at the other end has no way of taking your money, but keep out always.

Exchanges especially the centralized ones are known for user friendliness. The UI/UX is not that complicated for anyone not to follow up. It could be that OP narrated what he thinks is possible to happen but didn't just happen.

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I have read what you mentioned in your story, OP. It would be best not to rely on anyone in your financial and investment matters, no matter who they are. You should be familiar and knowledgeable with everything you do yourself.

What you did wrong was transfer your funds to an exchange wallet to try the P2P feature without gaining any necessary experience or knowledge or access to any article instructions and guidance and all the risks and difficulties that you may face when doing this. Also, if your claims were valid regarding your friend, his directions and requests would have been traps for you, and this is indeed what the vast majority of scammers do to gain the victim's trust to carry out their requests, whether it's depositing in a fraudulent exchange platform or ponzi scheme, or connecting his wallet to one of the phishing sites, or sending his seed phrases and private keys to them. Therefore, for those unfamiliar with the basics of this field, how to secure their wallets and assets from scammers, and the drawbacks of centralized exchanges and methods to use them, the help they will receive 100% will not be in their interest.

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Your instinct was right to be on alert. So many weird stuff are happening in this crypto space. Most times those we call friends are even those who exploit our vulnerability.

Quote from: AVE5 on April 18, 2024, 08:45:43 PM

...I was attentive to catch up any misconceptions of him sending me a wallet that's not mine and asked me to paste at the relevant place where I'm to direct my fund to because the process was so technical of copying and pasting of my wallets, going front and back.

Except he was taking you round in circles to get you confused, otherwise there's nothing confusing about copying and pasting of wallets. It's a simple process that doesn't require going forth and back. Anyway, it's soothing to read that you resolved the issue without turning a victim. I believe that smartness of yours can be attributed to knowledge gained on the forum. Keep it up.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on April 21, 2024, 06:54:47 PM

Being here as a member is a peck and there's always a popular saying in my side of the world that, 'person wey ask question, no dey miss road o'. That is, when someone asks questions for directions, they do not miss their way.

A newbie investor can use the guide of any close person but should limit certain access to certain key information like the seed phrases and passwords. Also, try to leave the wallet empty to a standard such that even if someone were to want to steal your funds, they would find nothing in it.
For large investment however and for intended traders, use a broker after you have learnt to handle your wallet or not, and try to be independent mostly limiting the kind of information we disclose.

because the context here is that as a beginner investor, it is more advisable to use small amounts of money while learning everything. So when the person guiding us turns out to have bad intentions such as stealing funds, we can still feel relieved because it's not the actual investment money that's big.

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Quote from: Hyphen(-) on April 21, 2024, 03:56:32 PM

But I want you to know that it is also possible to scam you if you keep sharing screenshots always because you might make mistake and send a sensitive information to someone and you might get scammed.

I could only think of sensitive information is private key, seeds, pin and passwords and these data are usually filtered out in the screen so such way is impossible to scam or trick a user, unless you click and provided the info needs on the link that provided by that user (scammer) which usually a phishing link or malware/keyloggers. Nevertheless it's good to be wary as always for strangers trying to help you even they sound like a very kind person in the internet.

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Being here as a member is a peck and there's always a popular saying in my side of the world that, 'person wey ask question, no dey miss road o'. That is, when someone asks questions for directions, they do not miss their way.

A newbie investor can use the guide of any close person but should limit certain access to certain key information like the seed phrases and passwords. Also, try to leave the wallet empty to a standard such that even if someone were to want to steal your funds, they would find nothing in it.
For large investment however and for intended traders, use a broker after you have learnt to handle your wallet or not, and try to be independent mostly limiting the kind of information we disclose.

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Well op what i just understand here is that you don't need to be entirely relying on someone most times you have to seat on your own to make your personal research and handle things the way it should look like than totally relying on your friend, most time your friend could be so much occupied in way that he can't find out time to run it with you or come to teach you how it works. What i understand about here is that is open place where you can learn things on your own and make personal research at same time you can testrun them to see if they actually work as you planned or not, if they don't then you can seek the opinion of the elites to helps look into it and by the time they confirmed themselves and noticed is not correct then they have to correct you.
Keep in mind that you don't need to share exchange password with anyone, neither are you to share 2fa with someone else to reduce you the risk of losing your asset.

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Quote from: AVE5 on April 18, 2024, 08:45:43 PM

As long as my instincts could whisper me Such though, then it's assumed to possibly happen even though non of us here has fallen victim of it.
Careful newbies and careful all

A good observation OP, you observed the whole process and make sure the person guiding you did not make any suspicious move in attempting to scam you or move your funds to his or another wallet that is not yours.
But I want you to know that it is also possible to scam you if you keep sharing screenshots always because you might make mistake and send a sensitive information to someone and you might get scammed.

Since you said you get P2P problem in an exchange, I think you are safe because exchanges don’t use private keys to access them, you only need email or phone number with passwords to access your exchange accounts. That means there is nothing wrong in sending screenshots.

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Do things yourself then, you have the internet and Bitcointalk to help you, ask questions here and search online to see if you can get a guide to help you solve your problem. If you grant someone access to your wallet, they can steal your seed phrase and import your wallet into their device and then steal your coins.

The wallet you are talking about here is an exchange wallet. Though you should not keep your assets in a centralized exchange, but the person helping your out cannot steal your seed phrase, because you do not have any when you use an exchange wallet, they can only deceive you to send your assets to a wrong address that they control.

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Quote from: AVE5 on April 18, 2024, 08:45:43 PM

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Careful newbies and careful all

This is where a thing called "knowledge" will be very helpful.
As they say. "Knowledge is power" so your knowledge will help you solve these type of problems.

My suggestion is that, don't use any wallet that you aren't familiar with. I mean there are some wallets out there that are user-friendly, and there are some that might be a bit complex for some, but if you have a bit of knowledge about the basics of wallets, you will learn how to use it very easily. In my time that I'm involved with cryptocurrency, I didn't try to ask for help thru PM with other people regarding my problem when it comes to wallets, or transactions etc. It's because you can make a quick google search on how to solve it, and sometimes, just asking for their customer support will solve your problem (if it's a transaction problem). Nevertheless, this is still a good advice to all of the newbies out there because they're the most prone to scams since they don't have any knowledge whatsoever.

Like what I'm always saying, always be vigilant especially now that we are almost entering the bull market already. Scammers, and those who want to take your assets are always there waiting for the perfect time.

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Quote from: AVE5 on April 20, 2024, 05:06:20 AM

Apparently non of the screenshots shared with him details about my wallets seed phrase or accessories secrets to my wallet.
I actually trusted him so much but I just have to be much careful that's why I was so concious about it all.
So with my sense of sensitivities during that period, I felt some persons in my position might not be so vigilant and conscious to such situations and that's why I shared this storylines here so that we don't have to even over trust those who assists us to some extends when we're stranded.
Trust but having every moves suspicious would actually save us some regrets of time.

There's nothing wrong in trusting or sharing your challenge with a friend, but people do crazy things when money is involved and sometimes they go to the extent of betraying their friendship. It's not my business what you do with your funds or who you go to for help, but next time if you've a wallet challenge, I'd advise that you get help from the forum where there's zero tendency of being misled or deceived, rather than reaching out to a friend.

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Even though you found it comfortable enough to share some of your details while requesting some help from a friend you trusted, In crypto you don't trust anyone completely just like you said you were paying attention to how he was asking questions and the kind of questions you he was asking and that was basically because you have a little security knowledge because had it been it involves someone who doesn't have much security knowledge they would not have cared about the kind of information they are giving out that is why it is important to have a little knowledge about security so that you don't get scammed why trying to get help even if it is from a reliable person because people changes all the time, so someone you trust may betray your trust when it involves money.

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Quote from: BlackBoss_ on April 18, 2024, 08:54:34 PM

Quote from: AVE5 on April 18, 2024, 08:45:43 PM

So I contacted a friend and he was guiding me all through by sharing my wallet pages with him through screenshots so that the instructions would be easier to follow.
It actually went successfully and I appreciated his efforts.

I really hope that with screenshots you made and shared with your friend, there is no screenshot with your wallet mnemonic seed or private key.

If you did it, it's big mistake and you should move your bitcoins to a new wallet as soon as possible. I don't say your friend is a bad person and will steal your bitcoin later. Even he is good, his devices can be hacked and screenshot that contains your wallet mnemonic seed or private key will be seen by hackers. They surely are not good people and will steal your bitcoins.

Hope that this story is not a fiction creatively wrote by you.

Apparently non of the screenshots shared with him details about my wallets seed phrase or accessories secrets to my wallet.
I actually trusted him so much but I just have to be much careful that's why I was so concious about it all.
So with my sense of sensitivities during that period, I felt some persons in my position might not be so vigilant and conscious to such situations and that's why I shared this storylines here so that we don't have to even over trust those who assists us to some extends when we're stranded.
Trust but having every moves suspicious would actually save us some regrets of time.

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Quote from: AVE5 on April 18, 2024, 08:45:43 PM

So I hope some person's who are not conversant with operating their assets wallets would always be careful and sensitive whenever someone is playing helping role on your wallet.
As long as my instincts could whisper me Such though, then it's assumed to possibly happen even though non of us here has fallen victim of it.
Careful newbies and careful all

One of the things we learn from this is:
not to trust anyone completely. Remain alert and also careful with various matters related to your wallet and its contents, related to transactions, related to requests for filling in personal data and other important data. Also related to requests to send several tokens or coins suddenly. Never mind in the online world, in the real world, often, someone who claims to be a "friend" can fool us into borrowing money and in the end just walk away and disappear without a trace.

especially in the online world, where it is very easy to carry out various kinds of fraud and other acts like that. especially when we need help because of our confusion, it can really be one of the ways they can easily fool us and then succeed in taking our assets quite easily. Yes indeed, not everyone is like that. But what is certain is that we must be more vigilant and not easily trust other people.

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So, I guess that he isn't your friend anymore? You made very primitive mistake, but I'm not going to mock your for it. You shouldn't share such things with anyone, even if it's your friend. When things comes to money, friendships often ends. Like probably you wouldn't share your bank account details with anyone, same should be with crypto. And also, put 2FA on your exchange account.
If you know this friend face to face, in your place I would find him and try to talk politely with him to resolve situation. If that doesn't help, then I would kick his ass badly. If you know this friend only from online conversations, then you will have to accpet this storry as expensive lesson.

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