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August 03, 2014, 02:17:52 PM
Anyway, we still have to understand why he had to leave Ripplelabs (by his choice? it still not clear) like one year ago.
He could just maintain his founder stack, waiting for Ripple spread.
He would made a lot more money than selling by now.


The price of XRP is going down, but he is still not selling them.
As you said he has 8.5 bilion of XRP, more than the STR he has now (and he seems that he hasn't them directly, the Stellar foundation has them)

To me it doesn't seem a sort of choices for his own only interest.

As I understand he had argument with CEO about approach they should take. Ripple Labs tried hard to take bottom up approach and spread a couple of billions XRP to bitcointalk members but it didnt work out so they figured its better to try top down approach.

Also, there was leaked lawyer letter where it says that Chris and Arthur (other co founders) wanted to return their XRP to company so they can be spread but Jed was against it and wanted Ripple Labs to pay him millions (at that time his stake was valued at some 100 million USD) instead of giving them to spread through community. That was probably the main reason why Jed left as he couldnt get millions right away.

He is not selling dont worry, he knows that he has Ripple Labs in pocket with just threating and in case they do manage to succeed he knows he will make a lot more money then just dumping them now on market that isnt liquid enough to even absorb 1/10th of his stash.

Jed isnt stupid, he is good at math and he likes to make millions more then anything.
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August 03, 2014, 02:14:32 PM
I think that it's important to understand what does he means when talks about "community".
I don't think that he is probably talking about XRP holders, but more on a widespread meaning.
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August 03, 2014, 02:12:46 PM
He was not selling. He sold only small quantities (small compared to 9 billion, he sold maybe 20 million in total). He started to threat with orders again right before stellar was released (thats when its mentioned in that thread).

I think we are in agreement.
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August 03, 2014, 02:12:16 PM
6000 Stellars for free!
You can get 6000 Stellars for free by adding Facebook sign-up and by confirming your email.

Well that's bullshit, you only get 2250 and now you don't even get that, they have people queued up now and you may or may not get your free coins.
And no mention of how long they will hold you in a que

Cheers
Mark
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August 03, 2014, 02:09:26 PM
So what is your opinion on the possibility that he made an agreement with Ripple Labs to NOT sold them and find another way?

He has been selling, and without community transparency on basic questions like timelines and quantities. After fueling fire sale speculation, he has now left everyone in the dark. July 31 is the last mention of identified activity in this thread: Jed McCaleb = Troll or scammer?

He was not selling. He sold only small quantities (small compared to 9 billion, he sold maybe 20 million in total). He started to threat with orders again right before stellar was released (thats when its mentioned in that thread).
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August 03, 2014, 02:09:09 PM
Anyway, we still have to understand why he had to leave Ripplelabs (by his choice? it still not clear) like one year ago.
He could just maintain his founder stack, waiting for Ripple spread.
He would made a lot more money than selling by now.


The price of XRP is going down, but he is still not selling them.
As you said he has 8.5 bilion of XRP, more than the STR he has now (and he seems that he hasn't them directly, the Stellar foundation has them)

To me it doesn't seem a sort of choices for his own only interest.
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August 03, 2014, 02:07:48 PM
So what is your opinion on the possibility that he made an agreement with Ripple Labs to NOT sold them and find another way?

I think thats not possible but I dont know. He got what he wanted, Chris donated his so he is not profiting while Jed still keeps community as hostage. He would be stupid to sell and lose that advantage. Although if he was really a man he should stick to his word.

He is very well aware that only way for stellar to succeed is if he tells people they will make money with stellar and not with xrp.
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August 03, 2014, 01:59:35 PM
So what is your opinion on the possibility that he made an agreement with Ripple Labs to NOT sold them and find another way?

He has been selling, and without community transparency on basic questions like timelines and quantities. After fueling fire sale speculation, he has now left everyone in the dark. July 31 is the last mention of identified activity in this thread: Jed McCaleb = Troll or scammer?
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August 03, 2014, 01:57:03 PM
So what is your opinion on the possibility that he made an agreement with Ripple Labs to NOT sold them and find another way?
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August 03, 2014, 01:48:22 PM
www.rippletrak.com is the web page that followed Jed. But its for pay now.

You can check on XRPtalk.org there is a lot of topics about Jed sell off and you there is a lot of info from that page prior to being pay only.

You can also check XRP volumes. He has 9 billion of XRP compare that to volumes that happened since then and you will see its not even near that amount.

There is no web page for XRP distribution that is free so I cannot tell you exact number now. But it is true that he sold only very little and kept his offers a lot higher then sell price in order to stop XRP price from growth. Just go through xrptalk forum there was a lot of people following the action since it was hot theme then.

Also, there you will find which are Jeds known wallets and you can check it your self how many XRP is still on them through https://ripple.com/graph/

Basically, he still got over 8,5 billion (some he donated so he didnt have full 9 billion) to threaten to community.
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August 03, 2014, 01:46:36 PM
Last time he split up with Ripple Labs he immediatelly took entire community for hostage with threat to sell all his XRP (and then not following through with it at all). So yeah, if they break up I would say Stellar holders are in deep sh.it.

I thought he gave everyone a two-week notice before selling.

Edit: Just checked. He did.

He didnt even sell any. And he probably wont. That is just to scare people so they dont buy xrp but stellar instead. Its keeping community his hostage.

He has sold some. I fully agree on the hostage bit. In leaked communications, it was previously revealed that Jed had apparently threatened Ripple Labs with a fire sale of his founders XRP. After his public announcement many community members sold, anticipating a major price drop, and more sold after information about his private conduct was revealed. Jed did not respond to or acknowledge questions from the community. Sale activity has been sporadic and with no community transparency. Jed basically gave everyone the finger.

Community perspective quickly changed to: Jed just needs to get it over so that Ripple can be free of him. Doing so, however, would me that he then loses his ability to control the Ripple community and value of XRP. Maintaining that leverage aligns with the interests of Stellar/Stripe.

Jed is continuing to hold the threat of annihilating Ripple over the heads of community members, while simultaneously attempting to attract them to his network (with the implicit suggestion that all the Ripple grassroots community has worked to build will soon be scorched earth).
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August 03, 2014, 01:41:26 PM
I think there was a web page that followed it but its for pay now. He sold only a couple of million. Crashed happened as community got scared and sold their XRP. He will not sell, he is not stupid, you can dump only once but you can threaten forever.
It can be true, but you know, claiming without proofs it's like cheap talk Smiley
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August 03, 2014, 01:38:18 PM
He didnt even sell any.
Can you show all his addresses on ripple.com/graph?

I think there was a web page that followed it but its for pay now. He sold only a couple of million. Crashed happened as community got scared and sold their XRP. He will not sell, he is not stupid, you can dump only once but you can threaten forever.
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August 03, 2014, 01:36:31 PM
He didnt even sell any.
Can you show all his addresses on ripple.com/graph? (giving a proof that you are saying the truth)
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August 03, 2014, 01:33:06 PM
I dont think there is legal risks. Biggest risk is Jed as he has shown to Ripple community how much he cares about communities.

That and the fact that its family run business with 20 million str going straight to his girlfriend each week.

What if Jed splits up with his girlfriend? Will that affect Stellar in any way, as they are both big holders?

Last time he split up with Ripple Labs he immediatelly took entire community for hostage with threat to sell all his XRP (and then not following through with it at all). So yeah, if they break up I would say Stellar holders are in deep sh.it.

I thought he gave everyone a two-week notice before selling.

Edit: Just checked. He did.

He didnt even sell any. And he probably wont. That is just to scare people so they dont buy xrp but stellar instead. Its keeping community his hostage.
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August 03, 2014, 01:31:30 PM
Last time he split up with Ripple Labs he immediatelly took entire community for hostage with threat to sell all his XRP (and then not following through with it at all). So yeah, if they break up I would say Stellar holders are in deep sh.it.
It's a currency with 1% of inflation, so it isn't good for holding anyway, Bitcoin is still better.

I dont know, to me its worse that they put in code that 1% goes to Jeds girlfriend. Its just marketing that anyone can get any part of it since its impossible to get so many votes.

Who is Jed's girlfriend? Joyce Kim?

Yes.
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August 03, 2014, 01:30:42 PM
stella price data is now on cryptocoincharts
http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/coins/show/str

The price dropped alot since the very beginning.
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August 03, 2014, 01:30:32 PM
Last time he split up with Ripple Labs he immediatelly took entire community for hostage with threat to sell all his XRP (and then not following through with it at all). So yeah, if they break up I would say Stellar holders are in deep sh.it.
It's a currency with 1% of inflation, so it isn't good for holding anyway, Bitcoin is still better.

I dont know, to me its worse that they put in code that 1% goes to Jeds girlfriend. Its just marketing that anyone can get any part of it since its impossible to get so many votes.

Who is Jed's girlfriend? Joyce Kim?
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August 03, 2014, 01:29:36 PM
I dont think there is legal risks. Biggest risk is Jed as he has shown to Ripple community how much he cares about communities.

That and the fact that its family run business with 20 million str going straight to his girlfriend each week.

What if Jed splits up with his girlfriend? Will that affect Stellar in any way, as they are both big holders?

Last time he split up with Ripple Labs he immediatelly took entire community for hostage with threat to sell all his XRP (and then not following through with it at all). So yeah, if they break up I would say Stellar holders are in deep sh.it.

I thought he gave everyone a two-week notice before selling.

Edit: Just checked. He did.
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August 03, 2014, 01:27:30 PM
I dont know, to me its worse that they put in code that 1% goes to Jeds girlfriend. Its just marketing that anyone can get any part of it since its impossible to get so many votes.
One more reason to not hold it! (give it to me Grin)
Anyway, there is nowhere that they are giving 1% to Jed's girlfriend Wink
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