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August 03, 2014, 02:51:47 PM
That is a secret. Too bad it dropped tho, still have some. Hoping it to go back up so I can sell.

I can't really tell you for free, offer me. I am not bullshitting about this.
Hm. If i earn that Bitcoin I'd give you half. Easy deal, I've been here for long and can find people to vouch for me.
I can not say the same for you.
I don't really care if the coin is another scam attempt, the ignorant will fall for it, the smart will profit.

Hmm, I guess that's a good deal. PM me your Skype.
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August 03, 2014, 02:50:41 PM
That is a secret. Too bad it dropped tho, still have some. Hoping it to go back up so I can sell.

I can't really tell you for free, offer me. I am not bullshitting about this.
Hm. If i earn that Bitcoin I'd give you half. Easy deal, I've been here for long and can find people to vouch for me.
I can not say the same for you.
I don't really care if the coin is another scam attempt, the ignorant will fall for it, the smart will profit.
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August 03, 2014, 02:48:50 PM
I just made a full bitcoin from Stellar! <3
Care to explain how? You kept selling it?

That is a secret. Too bad it dropped tho, still have some. Hoping it to go back up so I can sell.

I can't really tell you for free, offer me. I am not bullshitting about this.
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August 03, 2014, 02:44:07 PM
I just made a full bitcoin from Stellar! <3
Care to explain how? You kept selling it?
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August 03, 2014, 02:42:44 PM
I just made a full bitcoin from Stellar! <3
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August 03, 2014, 02:02:25 PM
There was entire lawyer letter published somewhere, I am not sure if its on forums or on reddit but its published.

All that I am aware of is the retraction demand from RL legal rep that Jesse published, containing his own responses inline.

Is there another document floating around?
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August 03, 2014, 02:01:11 PM
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August 03, 2014, 02:00:15 PM
STR is up on bx.in.th  Grin

Yeah, STR is probably very good speculation, they will release it very slowely so that price can go up. Its also great marketing so price will go further up because of that too.
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August 03, 2014, 01:59:08 PM
Almost none of what Jesse said was true.

He got confronted with lawyer that had minutes from those meetings, got embarassed and immediatelly he shut up and never showed up again.

Do you have a source for this?

There was entire lawyer letter published somewhere, I am not sure if its on forums or on reddit but its published.
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August 03, 2014, 01:58:00 PM
STR is up on bx.in.th  Grin
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August 03, 2014, 01:57:04 PM
Almost none of what Jesse said was true.

He got confronted with lawyer that had minutes from those meetings, got embarassed and immediatelly he shut up and never showed up again.

Do you have a source for this?
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August 03, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
Also, there was leaked lawyer letter where it says that Chris and Arthur (other co founders) wanted to return their XRP to company so they can be spread but Jed was against it and wanted Ripple Labs to pay him millions (at that time his stake was valued at some 100 million USD) instead of giving them to spread through community. That was probably the main reason why Jed left as he couldnt get millions right away.

From the letter:
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Sadly, the vision Jed and I had for the project in the early days has been lost. I’m no longer confident in the management nor the company’s ability to recover from the founders’ perplexing allocation to themselves of 20% of the XRP, which I had recently would be returned. Prior to Jed's departure from Ripple, I had asked the founders to return their XRP to the company. Jed agreed but Chris declined
uh, it seems quite the opposite.

It quickly becomes a he said/she said game. David Schwartz seems to be the voice most trusted by the community, and made the following statement:

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This is David Schwartz, JoelKatz on the Bitcoin forums. I first became involved in what became Ripple Labs when Jed McCaleb hired me to investigate if a distributed agreement protocol could solve the double spend problem without a central authority. Jed and I met Jesse Powell at a burrito shop in Berkeley and convinced him to become the first investor.

Chris Larsen co-founded the company with Jed, taking on the operating role of CEO. With Chris at the helm, Ripple Labs has grown to a team of more than 50 people, pursuing a shared vision to make the Ripple protocol an open, decentralized, payment system by building utility and liquidity. Today, I'm Chief Cryptographer at Ripple Labs and a member of the Board of Directors.

We knew we would face a number of challenges, from the technical to the regulatory, but nobody could have expected the destructive behavior we've seen these past few days. Jesse's assertion that Chris was and is unwilling to give back his founders' stake to Ripple Labs is completely untrue. Arthur posted on the issue yesterday. I trust that the community has the judgment to see who is building and who is scorching the Earth.

I feel bad for Jesse in all of this. I think he ended up getting caught in the cross-fire, and possibly ended up being played by Jed. His timing of his resignation announcement was suspect, but understandable from the perspective that he wanted to prevent the exact scenario we are now in. Jed and Jesse had separate interests regarding the founder XRP, but seemed to unite for bargaining leverage against RL. I trust Jesse's words, so far as they fully represent the information he had available. Jesse also apparently helped line up the Fidor.de deal, which has been a major win. I trust in JoelKatz for having the most complete picture.

Multiple interests were involved, and little of the core conflict seems to have had anything to do with the community.

Jed's primary goal seems to have been a cash payout from Ripple Labs, as his girlfriend received. Jesse, meanwhile, seemed most concerned about the founder XRP not being distributed to investors---and preventing this exact scenario (Jed going nuclear). I understand his position, and it seems reasonable to me.
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August 03, 2014, 01:45:24 PM
Almost none of what Jesse said was true.

He got confronted with lawyer that had minutes from those meetings, got embarassed and immediatelly he shut up and never showed up again.
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August 03, 2014, 01:42:48 PM
Also, there was leaked lawyer letter where it says that Chris and Arthur (other co founders) wanted to return their XRP to company so they can be spread but Jed was against it and wanted Ripple Labs to pay him millions (at that time his stake was valued at some 100 million USD) instead of giving them to spread through community. That was probably the main reason why Jed left as he couldnt get millions right away.

From the letter:
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Sadly, the vision Jed and I had for the project in the early days has been lost. I’m no longer confident in the management nor the company’s ability to recover from the founders’ perplexing allocation to themselves of 20% of the XRP, which I had recently would be returned. Prior to Jed's departure from Ripple, I had asked the founders to return their XRP to the company. Jed agreed but Chris declined
uh, it seems quite the opposite.

Thats Jesse's part (at that time he was attacking Ripple Labs and wanted to get money from them), you need to look on what other side answered if its still there.
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August 03, 2014, 01:40:27 PM
Also, there was leaked lawyer letter where it says that Chris and Arthur (other co founders) wanted to return their XRP to company so they can be spread but Jed was against it and wanted Ripple Labs to pay him millions (at that time his stake was valued at some 100 million USD) instead of giving them to spread through community. That was probably the main reason why Jed left as he couldnt get millions right away.

From the letter:
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Sadly, the vision Jed and I had for the project in the early days has been lost. I’m no longer confident in the management nor the company’s ability to recover from the founders’ perplexing allocation to themselves of 20% of the XRP, which I had recently would be returned. Prior to Jed's departure from Ripple, I had asked the founders to return their XRP to the company. Jed agreed but Chris declined
uh, it seems quite the opposite.

When the Jesse's statements are true and when not?
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August 03, 2014, 01:38:17 PM
As I understand he had argument with CEO about approach they should take. Ripple Labs tried hard to take bottom up approach and spread a couple of billions XRP to bitcointalk members but it didnt work out so they figured its better to try top down approach.

Adding a little more context here.

Ryan Fugger, creator of the core Ripple community vision (NOT JED), previously made this comment:

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I spent years working on growing pre-XRP Ripple in a grassroots fashion, and it was ultimately a barrier that people and small businesses aren't used to being credit intermediaries. I generally prefer the grassroots approach, but it makes sense to me to initially target institutions that are already acting as credit intermediaries, at least for the credit network portion of Ripple.

If anyone represents the community vision, I think it would be Ryan Fugger.

Jed, meanwhile, has decided to bootstrap Stellar by giving 2% of all STR to Stripe. Any nod Jed is making toward community is pure disingenuous marketing.
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August 03, 2014, 01:26:05 PM
Anyway, we still have to understand why he had to leave Ripplelabs (by his choice? it still not clear) like one year ago.

Here is a revealing quote from ahbritto regarding Jed on the official forum (5/22/2014):

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He hasn't been on the operating team for about a year, and hasn't been on the board since April.

Regarding loss of his leadership position within the company, prior to his departure, this quote from Jesse Powell (former board member) is also revealing:

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In fact, my relationship with Jed has been almost non-existent since the board opted to keep Chris on rather than Jed, when Jed forced us to decide between them. I’m sure Chris does not appreciate how personally difficult that decision was for me, but I did what I thought at the time was in the best interest of the company. It certainly wasn’t in the best interest of my friendship with Jed.

It seems he left the company by choice, after contributing little, and with a grudge against Ripples Labs.

Edit: a link to the requested cease and decist letter is inline in my response (as the source of the Jesse Powell quote above)
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August 03, 2014, 01:25:50 PM
Also, there was leaked lawyer letter where it says that Chris and Arthur (other co founders) wanted to return their XRP to company so they can be spread but Jed was against it and wanted Ripple Labs to pay him millions (at that time his stake was valued at some 100 million USD) instead of giving them to spread through community. That was probably the main reason why Jed left as he couldnt get millions right away.
Can you give me a link on it?

Please go through either xrptalk.org or official forum you will find it there its published.
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August 03, 2014, 01:21:45 PM
Also, there was leaked lawyer letter where it says that Chris and Arthur (other co founders) wanted to return their XRP to company so they can be spread but Jed was against it and wanted Ripple Labs to pay him millions (at that time his stake was valued at some 100 million USD) instead of giving them to spread through community. That was probably the main reason why Jed left as he couldnt get millions right away.
Can you give me a link on it?
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August 03, 2014, 01:19:46 PM
I think that it's important to understand what does he means when talks about "community".
I don't think that he is probably talking about XRP holders, but more on a widespread meaning.

Yeah he is not talking about XRP holders anymore, he holds that community as hostage.
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