Topic: Steve Wozniak Sues YouTube Over Twitter-Like Bitcoin Scam - page 2. (Read 515 times)

It's good that he is suing YouTube though but the real issue is that what will be the outcome for it?

1. He is a public figure that anyone could have access to his portrait to perpetuate such atrocities. Which means nothing

2. Does YouTube claim responsibility for all contents uploaded on its platform which I know that the only reason that they take down videos is either it outrightly failed their policy or it's reported. Now that he is suing, then he is putting them on their toes to be stricter in their policy.

Oh, I should have explained better what I was implying.
Yeah, I wasn't really talking about youtube flagging every video in which Wozniak appears as that would trigger hundreds if not thousands of false reports, but if they did find a video for a fake giveaway and deleted it they should have already learned that certain videos with that particular scene are used for this kind of scams and put videos like that on a shortlist, whenever a scam report goes in it should have had top priority.

After all, we're talking about alphabet here, they have a lot of tracking algorithms for all their products, I'm pretty sure they have the means to discover pretty rapidly videos that are used in scams, the problem is that in their quest for $ the first and only step being done automatically is about demonetization or removing sound, the video is still on and so it begins the long wait for human intervention by an operator, which as we can see takes a long, long, time while people are getting scammed.

Vitalik (founder of ETH) was so fed up at one point he did this

I think he doesn't really care what others say to him personally about this but I think what he cares about is his reputation that is being tarnished because of those scammers using his name for fake giveaways. Rumors and sayings are a bad way to do it and having him not knowing what really is going on, he won't be able to prevent it as people will have their impressions on him in a bad way.

I've researched a little bit and I think he has a slim chance to win this. Though Youtube would be losing money and time too because of this.

For obvious reasons, Steve is feed up with those fake giveaways using his name and I presume that many people are asking him about this so he got stress and file this case against Youtube. This is no longer secret, they have been taken advantage of scammers thru Youtube and they need to stop this from happening. Or at least be quick on their response from reports as we have experience that it takes days and months before they finally shut down those fake giveaways.

i do not necessarily consider the the suit. Although loads of people and projects have been upto false giveaways but i think Steven Wozniak should pay deaf ears to what comes out of people who decide not to keep their dignity and integrity by living up to their expectations. Its really not worth the stress although it will serve as a deterant.

I've seen verified Youtube accounts getting hacked, renamed and used to impersonate Binance with a live stream about a 'giveaway'. When I saw it months ago, I've contacted Binance and filed a complaint with Youtube. The streams continued for a couple of days before Youtube or someone sorted it out. That's a long time IMO. But months of fake Steve Wozniak is way longer, so I understand the wish to sue Youtube. I am pretty sure, however, that Youtube is not responsible for impersonation attacks and will win the lawsuit. They have too many videos to pay attention to things like this.

Indeed, YouTube related to video scams is very slow response, I also sometimes upset to see video scams circulating on YouTube.
Hopefully with Steve Wozniak sues YouTube, there will be strict action from YouTube for video scams that are still circulating.
So the victims of the video promotion scams can be minimized, I often make report to YouTube related to video scams. But YouTube
responds around 3-5 days, and this is too long in my opinion.

Unless their AI had a facial representation of Steve Wozniak's face then automating reporting of such videos is very difficult since if it's not written to intake "clues" from the video to determine who, if it's an influential person, is featured in the video it can't tell the difference between "Steve Wozniak making a promotion" and "a person making a promotion". I'm sure Youtube can already detect the presence of people in a video.

Maybe youtube partners get a higher priority in having their reports processed? That might explain why things like these tend to stay up while copyrighted content is deleted fairly quickly.

Yeah, it's all automatic and scammers know that you can trick detections with changed screens, minimizing the window with the copyrighted material like PiP (Picture-in-Picture) or adding layers with different information like price ticker or a newsbar. Automatic detection might fail, but you need to step up a response when some type of videos are reported. I'm pretty sure youtube treats scams with low priority and the lawsuit of Wozniak shows that maybe they have internal faster ticket support when it comes to verified publishers but whatever it was it's clearly ineffective!

As fo the other scams, it's pretty hard to take a stance against them, where do you put the limit on what is considered a scam, should we ban shills for a project we know it's impossible to be realized and it will be a failure? Everyone knew Juicero as a piece of sh*** but you can't stop a company from selling crap.


Doubt it, twitter can blame the third party for the hack of their employee details, Youtube can't blame a staff they trained for his laziness, it would be like a repair shop telling you to sue the employee for not fixing your airbag or a restaurant telling you to sue the meat shop for the rotten meat. They simply didn't do their job, they ignored it and reacted too late. But I have a feeling they will settle this outside the court and in reality, nothing will be drastically improved, probably the solution involves increasing support by a huge number and that costs money.

I've seen some ads too regarding these crypto giveaways and this can be a bad sign for the Youtube.

I've seen some popular names in that ads including Vitalik Buterin and it is stated on the ad that he is conducting an ETH Giveaway. Like WTF is happening with Youtube. Do they have a team which are observing the ads that are being put in the video. Maybe the case that he is suing too isn't the one that I've seen days ago but the fact that it falls into a crypto giveaway which will turn out to be a scam is a proof that Youtube must adjust with regards to their advertisements.

This can be a huge problem to Youtube but I think that they can handle it and will take massive action to this problem.

Mmh, Youtube could come up with a similar excuse, it just wouldn´t sound honest and easy to see through though. I understand that Twitter might use a random developer as a scapegoat, but that´s a solution for Youtube too. Whatever may happens, I hope they do something and work on the issue and not decide to ignore it like Microsoft does with it´s coding mistakes....

Youtube's inability to stop these scams had led to this sue. Other celebrities should also follow the footstep of Steve Wozniak. The number of scams using celebrity names has increased a lot on Youtube after the Twitter incident.

Such incidents are tarnishing the reputation of prominent celebrities and also the community. In my opinion it is the responsibility of the social media platform to control and keep a check of activities happening on their platform.

This has been going over for a year with different crypto based personality and prominent tech figures. Many legit looking channels with thousands of followers have been giving fake bitcoins with an unrelated real video as a frame. There are plenty of such videos presenting CZ from binance and Elon Musk. I have on multiple time reported those videos and Youtube also takes them down after a while.

why bitcoin?
youtube, google, twitter,... are all centralized platforms where there is an owner and they have full control on how people use their platform and what can or can not be published there. so they are liable for what is published too. but bitcoin has no owner, no centralized authority and these scams are not bitcoin related, they are just using bitcoin. it is like saying federal reserve is responsible each time someone scams with US dollar!

Speaking of Youtube being used by XRP last April, they already file a motion to dismiss the case,

And guess what's their reply to the argument ,"not their responsibility".

https://decrypt.co/36467/youtube-rebuffs-ripple-lawsuit-xrp-scams-dismissal

https://www.law360.com/media/articles/1294076/youtube-says-it-can-t-be-held-liable-for-crypto-scam-vids

I guess he had to take action on his own since youtube have failed to do what is right by them, this is his reputation at stake, if I was in his shoes I would do the same, infact, I would make a video about the issue and pin to my social media handle to warn people from falling victim to cheap scammers,
Youtube should take swift action with stuff like this instead stalling and wasting time, we just recently witnesse what happened with twitter and now this, that incident should have thought them a lesson to be more vigilant, report every and any suspicious event, Steve did the right thing.

It is much better this way. If Youtube won't respond within a relatively long period of time despite the multiple communication attempts from the aggrieved person himself then perhaps a legal action would compel them to give due attention to it sooner rather than later.

This is actually good for all parties concerned, for Youtube so that they shape up and provide better sifting mechanism for videos, for Steve to finally save his name from all these scammers, and for all Youtube users all over the world who could fall to these scams and lose money. 

Youtube is really that lazy. They were informed and yet they still didn't make move FOR A MONTH. They relied and believe too much on their bot that doesn't really help but cause more harm to the community of the platform and now they are paying the price for it.

If this was a new case where scammers just recently used his face, Youtube could've honestly salvaged the situation still. Sadly it's been on for months and youtube has been doing nothing, which is oddly weird imo. They're algorithm has been ruining some people's experience in live streaming in youtube and yet they allow these kinds of situations, which imo, a lot more worse than some simple gore scenes and the like.


The case where people where fighting for crypto was about just crypto-related vids tbh. Yes, I think Youtube/Google was fighting against the scams and just literally steamrolled even those that weren't a scams, and that's what people were mad for. Cause of that, they probably just stopped caring and let the vids go on, scam or not. It's odd how they aren't filtering these vids, not only vids but also the ads they have on Google possibly as well as their extensions if possible.