About risks of investment...
Sure it is risky and you must make good background research before investing, not every shitcoin liek "LePenn coin, Putin Coin or Tump coin" deserves investment.
But you can diversify and invest into 10 alternatives and if you miss 9 but one of them gins 100x you get your investment back.
As well I would never suggest to give away HODLing completely if you own more than 10BTC.
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Do not #HODL go #INWEST support start-ups
Only investment is healthy and makes any asset useful
This is true for $, gold, bitcoin or any other asset, fiat, basis coin
HODLing under mattress in hope that speculations will make you rich is nonsense killing the economic and technical progress
USE it or you will LOSE it
#Bitcoin HODLer nowadays look like old people holding their assets under the mattress instead of investing into crypto currency world.
Even if somebody decides to go #INWEST into something new #hodlers starting a shitstorm, because these cocky shitless pensioners simply scared to lose without understanding what all crypto technologies are about.
Imagine what we can reach with current 200 Billion Market capital if at least 10% of it will be on USE #INWESTed into different projects changing the world.
I am really upset to see how bitcoin is becaming just another shity speculation object of wall street - they are all alteady preparing their "future" trading, frequent trading, margin trading instruments to enter the crypto world and SPOIL it, like it is in money market going on: only speculation and no any interest on where you invest and why.
Since you are raging against all the holders can we know what kind of projects have you created or in which you have invested your bitcoin? I suppose you have done it taking in consideration the long rant against us, if you have not then you have no right to tell to us what to do with our money.Only investment is healthy and makes any asset useful
This is true for $, gold, bitcoin or any other asset, fiat, basis coin
HODLing under mattress in hope that speculations will make you rich is nonsense killing the economic and technical progress
USE it or you will LOSE it
#Bitcoin HODLer nowadays look like old people holding their assets under the mattress instead of investing into crypto currency world.
Even if somebody decides to go #INWEST into something new #hodlers starting a shitstorm, because these cocky shitless pensioners simply scared to lose without understanding what all crypto technologies are about.
Imagine what we can reach with current 200 Billion Market capital if at least 10% of it will be on USE #INWESTed into different projects changing the world.
I am really upset to see how bitcoin is becaming just another shity speculation object of wall street - they are all alteady preparing their "future" trading, frequent trading, margin trading instruments to enter the crypto world and SPOIL it, like it is in money market going on: only speculation and no any interest on where you invest and why.
I can name some coins behind the startups, but this would be conflict of interest and want to stay on fundamental level of discussion.
However I can name the technologies, people are trying to invent :
-fast and secure money transaction
-stealth anonymous transaction using TOR network
-blockchain based backbone for Web page developers
-Machine to Machine communication
Investing into all this one can change the world and just as additional effect multiple his investment. Some of the coins in technologies I mentioned gain more than 100 times in last year in compare to bitcoin with only 10...
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for me, I don't want for only investing but I want to try to increase the amount of bitcoin I have. I am sure that I have a chance to do this as I look other people trying this too. I think I am hodler type person because I can hodl my bitcoin for a long term and I use a small amount of my bitcoin to trade so I can try to have more bitcoin. with the price now is not too high, I think this is our time to buy bitcoin before the price increases.
With bitcoin having such a big position in the market, in my opinion is pointless to dispose of money in ICOs, especially with those lacking of a clear project, roadmap and team support. Coin differentiation in strong projects is fine, but investing in something brand new and with no product development is quite risky at the moment.
I totally agree with you, in order to get bitcoin into mainstream we need to use it, holding your bitcoins is against what bitcoin was made for.
I think that if someone wants to buy something from a company that accepts bitcoins, but he doesn't want to sell it's bitcoin because he believes that it's only way is up, he should buy the item he wanted to with bitcoins, and then just instantly purchase the bitcoin with fiat, so he basically purchased the item with fiat, but he supported the bitcoin network on the way.
We can't expect companies to consider bitcoin as a currency if we don't want to use it, and I think that my solution could be a game changer.
I think that if someone wants to buy something from a company that accepts bitcoins, but he doesn't want to sell it's bitcoin because he believes that it's only way is up, he should buy the item he wanted to with bitcoins, and then just instantly purchase the bitcoin with fiat, so he basically purchased the item with fiat, but he supported the bitcoin network on the way.
We can't expect companies to consider bitcoin as a currency if we don't want to use it, and I think that my solution could be a game changer.
Holding is what making the bitcoin bubble bigger and bigger. Everyone is just buying and holding their BTC. No one wants to sell it.
This is why many are saying that the Bitcoin bubble will explode soon and take down everybody with it. I do agree with your point. Money has to be circulated for it to be healthy. It is like our body where we have to exercise to stay healthy. If we keep on eating and resting at one place then we will get obese and diseases will start attacking us.
but I do not agree with you. because this investment is different from what you say, when we hold and without selling it, it indicates that we are expecting a return on investment This is why many are saying that the Bitcoin bubble will explode soon and take down everybody with it. I do agree with your point. Money has to be circulated for it to be healthy. It is like our body where we have to exercise to stay healthy. If we keep on eating and resting at one place then we will get obese and diseases will start attacking us.
Holding is what making the bitcoin bubble bigger and bigger. Everyone is just buying and holding their BTC. No one wants to sell it.
This is why many are saying that the Bitcoin bubble will explode soon and take down everybody with it. I do agree with your point. Money has to be circulated for it to be healthy. It is like our body where we have to exercise to stay healthy. If we keep on eating and resting at one place then we will get obese and diseases will start attacking us.
This is why many are saying that the Bitcoin bubble will explode soon and take down everybody with it. I do agree with your point. Money has to be circulated for it to be healthy. It is like our body where we have to exercise to stay healthy. If we keep on eating and resting at one place then we will get obese and diseases will start attacking us.
To invest bitcoin in the economy is not profitable until it reaches your maximum price. The growth rate of bitcoin is many times higher than the growth rate of the economy. As for the attempts of major American exchanges to seize control of bitcoin through the futures I don't believe it. It is not beneficial to the bitcoin community and so they will not find customers.
Every individual has their goals of plrice like you said and well said. Investing on bitcoin ofcourse holding dont have a limit whatsoever.
Youre right we dont want that kind of an exchange to be put up like a cage and limit your earnings. Regulating such a high priced currency is kind of offending to those who earn independently and me haha.
If those hodlers are willing to take the risk, then investing their assets will really be a good thing for them. But I must say that not all hodlers will just stay a hodler forever. I mean, I consider myself as one of those but I TBH, I really use my assets to invest to other cryptos that I see has a huge potential in the future. Sometimes, hodlers have their own reason as to why they are not risking their assets, maybe their want to play it safe or just waiting for a perfect moment to use it otherwise is useful things.
I do understand your point of investing money but according to me this is not the right situation to invest our BTC into altcoins or ICOs. Altcoins these days are going down as you can see most of the top coins in coinmarketcap with a red % on the list. ICOs these days aren't performing good as well and there very few ICOs that are genuine and are working towards the progress of crypto economy. Holding is the best thing to do at the moment. Apart from that there are too many forks upcoming in this month and that is a strong reason why people will be holding their coins than investing in some other services. May be after all the mess is over then we may consider investing it in good coins/ICOs .
I'm agree with your statement, holding bitcoin does more harm than good for this niche economy, i would certainly against acts of scoping lots of bitcoins over years, this just making the supply lesser and lesser which reduces the usability, and the fact bitcoin's transaction fee wouldn't scale with these act, making a cheap transaction entirely impossible for purchases less than $10, those exchange releasing 'future bitcoins' that leases nothing but papers are even worse, they are being further centralized by big players.
i think it is the best time to invest and hold some of your bitcoin now because the price of bitcoin is still not too high and still increasing with high rate most probably due to investment of more and more people and in future more and more people are taking interest in bitcoin so in future you can make enough profit.
I don't think that bitcoin is being held at one place because if it would have been like that then it would have never achieved these heights which is concrete proof of its use. Bitcoin is already in circulation being trades to invest into different projects as well it is being used as the medium to send the money from one place to place which is the only core objective of the bitcoin.
Besides that if people are holding it then thats even better for its price increase, as do not forget that we always have demand/supply ration unstable. The more the demand and the lesser is the supply the costlier things will become. With current old holders it doesn't matter anything as new people are coming into market everyday and there is still 60%++ population who is not into bitcoin yet. Just imagine what will happen at that time when the coin is already risen to this high.
Besides that if people are holding it then thats even better for its price increase, as do not forget that we always have demand/supply ration unstable. The more the demand and the lesser is the supply the costlier things will become. With current old holders it doesn't matter anything as new people are coming into market everyday and there is still 60%++ population who is not into bitcoin yet. Just imagine what will happen at that time when the coin is already risen to this high.
Do not #HODL go #INWEST support start-ups
Only investment is healthy and makes any asset useful
This is true for $, gold, bitcoin or any other asset, fiat, basis coin
HODLing under mattress in hope that speculations will make you rich is nonsense killing the economic and technical progress
USE it or you will LOSE it
#Bitcoin HODLer nowadays look like old people holding their assets under the mattress instead of investing into crypto currency world.
Even if somebody decides to go #INWEST into something new #hodlers starting a shitstorm, because these cocky shitless pensioners simply scared to lose without understanding what all crypto technologies are about.
Imagine what we can reach with current 200 Billion Market capital if at least 10% of it will be on USE #INWESTed into different projects changing the world.
I am really upset to see how bitcoin is becaming just another shity speculation object of wall street - they are all alteady preparing their "future" trading, frequent trading, margin trading instruments to enter the crypto world and SPOIL it, like it is in money market going on: only speculation and no any interest on where you invest and why.
I think investing and holding are interconnected especially here in crypto world. An investor would typically invest to a certain coin and would hold it for a long period of time. It cannot be investing then sell it already because i think it will fall under trading.. So the best thing is to hold and invest. Only investment is healthy and makes any asset useful
This is true for $, gold, bitcoin or any other asset, fiat, basis coin
HODLing under mattress in hope that speculations will make you rich is nonsense killing the economic and technical progress
USE it or you will LOSE it
#Bitcoin HODLer nowadays look like old people holding their assets under the mattress instead of investing into crypto currency world.
Even if somebody decides to go #INWEST into something new #hodlers starting a shitstorm, because these cocky shitless pensioners simply scared to lose without understanding what all crypto technologies are about.
Imagine what we can reach with current 200 Billion Market capital if at least 10% of it will be on USE #INWESTed into different projects changing the world.
I am really upset to see how bitcoin is becaming just another shity speculation object of wall street - they are all alteady preparing their "future" trading, frequent trading, margin trading instruments to enter the crypto world and SPOIL it, like it is in money market going on: only speculation and no any interest on where you invest and why.
Continuous holding will affect the crypto currencies development as the arm of having digital money is to be use as really money that is for exchange for goods and services. You should note that bitcoin has been getting pump because of the influence of speculatiors and the plan for future and margin trading. I hold this will not kill bitcoin on a long run
Hodling or Investing it would depend on one's focus and target on Bitcoin. A trader would sell off to amass profit and then buy the dip to continue the ride after the correctiont. While an investor or holder would keep the coins and allow them gather profit over the years. For me, I would sell because I am more of a trader than a hodler.
both strategies are beneficial, if we stop the other, we might lose important gains, if we hodl, we are also investing since part of hodling is investing as well, we need to do cost averaging and watch our capital gains go up, if not buy whenever the market is low. let us not get messed up with the two, when it comes to investing, we also need to hodl our investments and take profit whenever we feel we already have enough gains and reinvest again, we should also consider doing a strategy and stopping hodling may be a part one's strategy but it is not advisable sine the market it volatile, there will be times that we're going to lose in someway, it may not be the value but the number of bitcoins that we have, and it does make a huge difference in the long run.
I do think Op has a point on investing thru ICO that is legit and have promising future but the same time we can’t blame others not to because ICO banning in most country because of scamming developers is nerve racking. So most rather hold when the prices also is increasing more than any other alternative coins available. I don’t know what he mean by it hurts the economy but let it be.
You are right everyone is just hodling their btc this is making btc look much like a bubble. I dont even term it as a currency when it comes to financial market because to be a currency it must have a stable price. Its more of a commodity which isnt even derivative not backed by any asset or security
There's a whole board for Bitcoin investments: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=78.0
Guess what? It's filled with ponzis, hypes and scams, because there's really not many Bitcoin startups out there - startups in crypto space today tend to run ICO's or get fiat funding for centralized private blockchains. The easiest and safest thing you can do is to invest in a trusted crowdfunded casino, but this will only benefit the gambling industry, which is already pretty big and thriving. And actually, there's no need to create some Bitcoin-only businesses, we just need to get Bitcoin accepted by existing ones, while startups should be focusing on innovative applications that can utilize Bitcoin's blockchain in some new ways.
Guess what? It's filled with ponzis, hypes and scams, because there's really not many Bitcoin startups out there - startups in crypto space today tend to run ICO's or get fiat funding for centralized private blockchains. The easiest and safest thing you can do is to invest in a trusted crowdfunded casino, but this will only benefit the gambling industry, which is already pretty big and thriving. And actually, there's no need to create some Bitcoin-only businesses, we just need to get Bitcoin accepted by existing ones, while startups should be focusing on innovative applications that can utilize Bitcoin's blockchain in some new ways.
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