Topic: Stop see alt's everywhere you look! (Read 940 times)

No I am not mad, I asked for real proofs but instead of posting it you started insulting me exactly same as the other user did.
(Since you like to talk about coincidence as proof's )

I am not buying or selling anything here, what I did was ask a question. But you took your time and direct attacked me. Low key kid. But regarding to you, users are not allowed to change their mind at any time? Ok. I know thanks.

And your pictures does not affect me, different from me and you I don' get mad on the internet. My life is outside this world and this world is your life. That's fact!
I guess you busy now to earn your $200 so wont bother you anymore.


Best regards
BabyBandit

You once again edited your post, but I'm not gonna edit mine; there's nothing more to be said. It's just a neutral, no need to get so mad about it.


The lie occurred when you said you weren't buying or selling anything here. That's literally what you said.


LOL



Kind Regards
QuickSeller7

So not a single proof could you post, just more nonsense bullshit. And yes when people say this to me without real proofs "I strongly believe this to be the alt account of a previous user who has been involved in various forum scams throughout the years" I dislike it. And the most people would act the same, but I waited for a while to see who you are, and neutral/negative/positive=same shit different names. is the text you typing.

So because I "'talk like someone" that what I can see obvious didn't scam anyone and because I wish people best regards (being friendly) that's give you the right to call me a scammer? Do you know how many on the forum that saying "Best regards"? Like hundreds of hundreds, bust you just it just against me.

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And this is what I said: So you are a liar also.

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And why do you post a picture of yourself?  



Bye Bye go  back to spend 12 hours here each day and earn your $200 each week I know that is all you have in life.
Good luck!

Best regards
BabyBandit.

This BabyBandit guy is big mad at a neutral feedback I left him. Don't know why its such a big deal for him, enough to edit his post 3 times, because in this thread he specifically said,


But more recently he changed his mind:


The more I look into it, the more I am certain that BabyBandit is CYBER_COWBOY. Same writing style, same topics (gambling, trading, lending), and same location.


Who writes "blah" like that? Only people who speak one of the Scandanavian languages, take a look for yourself. And where does CYBER_COWBOY claim to be from?


There are tons of similarities in the writing styles of these two users. Please check for yourself and come to your own conclusions:

https://ninjastic.space/search?author=CYBER_COWBOY
https://ninjastic.space/search?author=BabyBandit




Oh, and one other thing:



Best regards
nutildah

Read "idiosyncrasy", "writing quirk", or "writing style", that should give you a good idea of the point being discussed here.


All the things above aside, I have to say you go to a length to prove that you wrote from a PC. I think people will normally just take a screenshot of their screen, a snipping tool perhaps, showing the taskbar or anything that hint to a desktop mode. You did... what? Wrote a draft, take a picture of it with your phone, send the image to your PC and upload them to talkimg? Or did you uploading the image to talkimg from phone, sending the link through email or draft feature [I'll admit I've use this "cloud service" numerous times when I have to work on a post from several devices] and copied the image to your draft on PC?

"not a whole lot of people around here use these types of emojis"? I don't get your point, I doing something less people do.. So what?
I have no idea what you do or don't do at any point.
I see people using smileys daily and I am not using a phone for the most time I am online here, not that I need to declare that to you but I do it anyway.
Just curious, am I the scammer or the one that got scammed? as far I can see the two accounts you linked me to has not scammed anyone or am I missing something important here?
IMO this is just a bad try to silence me, you guys don't like when people come and have other opinions then you, and I can understand that I don't see anything wrong in that, but play the game fair and don't cheat.



My friend leave me a tag if you want, you have the full right to use this forum how you want. I gonna be brutally honest with you and all other that read this, I don't care.
I am not selling or buying anything here anyway.


What a big cellphone! 🤣 😊 😱

Cmon now, you've been around these parts for a while and know that's not what I do, or what I try not to do, anyway. I even said I wasn't gonna leave a tag. But damn man, I gotta say, not a whole lot of people around here use these types of emojis:


Is that from a special emoji keyboard like on a cell phone or do you really go out of your way to copy and paste sideways-laughing emojis?

Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.....This was a really long shot...... I was waiting for something like this after I posted in the nerd-club thread. 🤣 🤣
Yeah go on and start to give me negative now and make up lies because I stand up for whats right.

I want to stop seeing alts everywhere I look, but I can't, its an affliction. Perhaps even an addiction which has saddled me to my inner core.

Just want to point out that there are several similarities between BabyBandit (registered Aug 14) and CyberCowboy (neg trusted between Aug 4-8).

For one, their first threads share some similarities:





They have highly similar posting styles: creating a new line for each sentence, frequent use of emojis, bold, and strikethrough:



They've both taken an immediate interest in the lending board and currency exchanges.

BabyBandit carries a grudge against PytagoraZ about merits, similar to CyberCowboy:


They also share some similar phrases:



I know it may not seem like a big deal, but there's only 7 accounts that have used that phrase this year, and I suspect that one of them is a 3rd alt account (but won't mention it by name here, yet). I'm pretty sure this is him as well but this account is inactive so I don't mind sharing it here:


Admittedly the evidence isn't solid enough to warrant any kind of tags, but I thought I'd bring it up anyway.

Did he send you that message via Telegram?


I would be quite wary of meeting someone from the forum IRL, but if I ever do it will be someone with a much better reputation than this one, and who does not show signs of mental instability and anger issues.

Okay, now who's stalking whom?

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Please stop spamming your nonsense in the lending board, if you want to rant do so here.

Also, you must have issues with your reading comprehension, I don't want to meet you because my time is too valuable to waste it on scammers.  Go back and read what I wrote, including what I wrote about my knowledge of martial arts, lol.

Maybe if you behaved like a man, owned up to your mistakes, and stopped hiding behind your army of alts you might actually be able to recover a somewhat respectable reputation here.  But obviously you're not ready for that.  You don't have to believe me, but it's a lot more likely to happen with your main account than it is while hiding behind an alt.

I wish you the best, elmanchez, I really do.  There was a time when I really liked you and thought you were a good kid who just needed some guidance.  But I'm sorry, I have no interest in meeting you face to face unless you reform yourself from the shady scammer you've proven yourself to be.

Are you for real? Tell me please who I have scammed?'

You seems to be very tough here behind a monitor, would you behave the same way if I was in front of you? I doubt it.
Just a tip, stop accusing people just because your feelings is hurt, opinions and feelings is not the same as fact.

I have a active loan I lended out here and before I got scammed.
So please Mr tough guy, tell me who I have scammed? If you don't have any proof, shut the fuck up. and if you still want to argue, leave the internet and let's meet IRL.

Respect yourself? 

You are a low life lending section scammer just like Ps34 or Elmanchez, what difference does it make now anyway. You just proved DireWolfM14 right today, didn't you?
Couldn't wait to scam your next victim, huh?

I believe you were just guilty conscious.

I don't know about you, but I respect myself, I don't accept that people accusing me of being an alt of a scammer it's like being called a scammer!
I bet the most people on this forum would react the same way as I did, and it only takes one minute to scroll in Reputation board to see so.

Now Mr tough guy, calm down.  

The reason it been hysteria lately it's because you have gone on an rant and accused some accounts of doing things they haven't and when you got exposed you act like it never happened and that you did not anything wrong.
And what concern before I created my account I don't know. Or is it my fault or somebody else that you got around 70 people distrusted you?
But it looks like for me that you trying to change focus from yourself to another target, but I can be wrong since I normally never understand anything of what you actually saying when you speak.  

I understand that you got your reasons for being paranoid, I get that. You have probably whiteness a lot your days here.
But that don't make it right for you to storm in my thread and behave like you did, come on, let's be honest. The only thing I did was to stood up for myself.
And it was also wrong to accuse me to being ALT's of these accounts without any solid proof, and trust my you will never get any solid proofs that's we are ALT's. Only proof that we aren't.




I have admit that my loan service was terrible at the start, I was a newbie that didn't understand how things worked here, as I said to @DireWolfM14.
I didn't know about Merits, this rank system or signature campaign, it took me even two months to understand I could send merits without losing merits myself, when I got my first merit. 
I tough a old account was a good account, the rank was not that important, and I get taught a lesson and lost some money on the way, lucky I only accepted low amounts at the time.

But with that said I have never ever asked anyone for a single KYC document and I never will. (Everyone that have applied also tho who got denied can confirm that)
I also don't accept applies in PM and applies from Newbies won't get replied to.


I hope people understand that I am not an ALT of anyone and definitely not a scammer in any way, if not I have no problem with whatever, think what you want, it's okay for me, but don't accuse me for things that not is true. and in the end, time will always give everyone the truth, then it's up to us what we want to do with it.

Lol, nice title change.  Okay, maybe I'm being a bit paranoid and seeing ghosts myself.  Considering all the trolling and spam in the lending board the last year or so, I might be a bit quick to jump the gun.  Regardless, I'm sure most of it is attributable to one person with a shitton of alts.  The behavior follows a similar pattern.


I got the impression that he felt like he was part of the community at one point, and behaved himself after TMAN started helping him with some honest earnings.  Before that he was a bit touchy, and reverted back to that insolence once he got caught impersonating escrow agents. 


The fact that a newbie lender is dealing in PMs with mostly newer members doesn't present the best optics, either. 


All it takes is one default to erase years of earnings or worse.  I know from personal experience.

From what I recall elmanchez was much more persuasive, smooth and mild-mannered in his forum dealings scammings, although I know DireWolf - one of the most stand-up users I've ever met here - isn't the type to make these types of claims without good justifications for doing so.

Yeah nobody should be giving anybody any kind of personal documentation here, but I don't see that being requested by CC in his loan thread. In the original unedited thread he said,


which could be interpreted as possibly asking for KYC docs... hard to know for sure. To me it looks just like a loan service that was executed by a newbie not very familiar with the forum and what kinds of scum it attracts to the Lending section, but who knows, I'm not an expert.

Really I don't know why any of you continue lending to any member less than Hero rank. Even then, scams still happen. Its an incredibly risky venture and I'd be surprised if a single lender is in profit in their lending venture.

Just like when elmanchez started one of those numerous navel gazing threads yahoo62278 referenced in his now locked thread ^{(there goes my "right of reply")} where the DT echo chamber sung in unison then fell silent choosing to deny they were in the wrong when elmanchez went on to scam.

It would explain a lot of the hysteria being whipped up recently.

Lucky for me time always goes forwards and not backwards. 

That will make dire wolf doubt more as that matches was created in Feb and left in feb remove that part 😂😂😂😂

I live in Chiang Rai it's close. PM me when you are there and let's meet and talk over a lunch. I don't drink alcohol but I for sure eat food.  

Mate. I swear. This is my only account here and I have never ever been here before (since Feb this year), I really don't understand why you think this?
This is my only TG: https://t.me/CyberCowb0y

Also this Ps34 have added me there multiple times and told me to give him money and asked me why I hate him, he also have send me a lot of PM's I showed two of them in the OP here.
If you for real think him is me, and me is him, okay sure, let so be since you been here longer them me, you have more experience them me so I guess I can  accept that for now, but time will show the truth and I expect an apologize the day it comes out that we aren't. If its one way to proof it 100% now just tell me what I can do.

I told you the first time, I am not what you looking for, and I promise you that time will show that. If you just had ask me polite that first time, this would never have happened.  
Maybe we don't get a long, and that's fine, it's a lot of people I don't get along with, but I am not a scammer or cheater in anyway and also I am not a bad person. Opposite, I am against all that.
But one thing you should know, even if we don't get along, if somebody would example scam you or doing anything, I would still back you up and help you if I could, that's how I am.
And you have right, sometimes also me can lose my mind and say things I shouldn't, but I work on my self everyday.

With that said, I am far from perfect and I have done some very bad things in life. I have done some years in prison for that, but scam people on the internet for some hundred bucks is not one of them, these days I just want peace and happiness in life, I want to stay far away from drama, I am to told for that shit now.

And what I been saying hundred of times, time always show the truth, and will so do in this case also.


Why are you still up at 3am?
I was looking at Swedish Football it started 00:00 (thai time) and finished 02:00 am. (thai time). Still can't sleep.. many things in my mind at the moment, but luckily I got my cat to hang with.  
But better now then the winter, then it's 6 hours difference (from Swedish time) now it's "only" 5 hours. I am a big Swedish Sportsnerd.ä

EDIT; I did remove you from my distrust list now, since you stopped to abuse the trust system, since I don't have any pride in what im doing for the most of the time at internet.

I like Thailand.  I'll be in Chiang Mai next year around this time, or if you're in NorCal before then send me a PM, I'll buy you a beer.

BTW, why are you still up at 3am?


Okay, I'll ask now:  Are you the same guy who defaulted on $400 worth of loans that I gave you, and pretended to be moonbux on Telegram?  

For fuck's sake!

Your reasons is the weakest I ever heard.

- I am from Sweden and living in Thailand. I never been in Azerbaijan. And I will for sure get a VISA in the US, been there many many times. So lets go, lets meet. and we speak face to face and we see who is what?
That would solve this problem. But I understand you don't have any interest in meeting me face to face, internet is the place for you.

- Yes I admit that my loan service was terrible at the start and I did a lot of rookie mistakes, but I have learned with time and I think it's okay now.
But if it was so bad, why just don't PM me and explain and giving me some tips? Why did you feel that you need to accuse me the first thing you did?

- I don't care if you giving me hope or not but good that you said that, let's come back here in a couple of months or a year, and you gonna apologize to me.

- No I don't threat people on the internet, i am not an internet troll. I just gave you a tip, try it yourself and you will see how much better you will feel. I promise you.

- I never EVER started an argument with anyone, I have replied when people being rude to me, where I come from you get laughed at for arguing behind a monitor.
I am kind and nice, but I am NOT weak. Maybe you misunderstand this things, if you are good to be I am better back, but if you try to walk over me I will run over you.

- Of course I don't think you acted this way because of you think I was some kind of competition against you, I never said that. I said because you dislike me.

- May I ask why did you not just ask me if you wonder something? Why did you come into my thread and being rude?
You really think that's how you should behave? I have never ever being rude to you, I only replied when you was an asshole in my thread, all others times you was ignored tho you really tried to get my response.
But when you gave me feedback without any REF link that also is super delusional I created this thread.

- You have the right to think whatever you want about me, for me it's not important if you think I am good or bad, but please don't make up stuff about me, as I would never do that to another person.

And I did open this thread again with purpose, because I wanted an answer who Switzerland was and why he think it was a good idea that you gave me feedback without REF link.

It's true I do believe you are elmanchez, and I believe that ps34 is his and your alt account.  I have my reasons, like the many coincidences with the timing of you starting your service and ps34 ranting about newbies being treated poorly in the lending subsection.  When you first started your service you made no mention of not lending to newbies.  You were asking for a high rate of return, and offering scraps as if to prove to those in doubt that newbies could be trusted.  You've learned your lesson the hard way, and only when I made mention of it did you revise your thread to mention the restriction against lending to newbies.

Not to mention, you pretending to be such a pleasant and polite person is an obvious farce.  Your interactions with me, Timelord2067, HedgeFx, and the creation of this thread has exposed the petulance for which you (elmanchez) have become infamous.

Maybe I'm wrong, I've been wrong before and in the past I've adjusted my stance when convinced.  There's still hope for you, but I'll be honest, it's not much.

I don't like speculative feedback, and for the most part I avoid leaving them, but since I'm convinced you are elmanchez, an especially conniving and manipulative individual, I felt it was worth warning the community who they are dealing with.  But, my dislike of speculative feedback won out, and so it gave way to me revising the feedback to something more concrete and pertinent.


Lol, you are a ridiculous fool if you think I'm afraid of you as "competition."  I only recently resurrected my lending thread after a three year hiatus because I finally have time for it again.  I'm not hurting to put food on the table, and obviously I'm not looking to generate an income through my service.  But I don't expect you to see that through your delusion that I'm "stalking" you.


Make up your mind.  Do you want me to leave you alone or do you want to go out on a date?  What about all that talk of 17 years of martial arts training, was that supposed to be some kind of threat?  Regardless of any of that, I have no interest in meeting you face to face.  Azerbaijan is nowhere I want to visit, and somehow I doubt your ability to get a visitor's visa for the US.


Elmanchez.  
Funny you don't want to type that name yourself.  You even claimed you forgot it, though it was present in the same post in which you quoted my original review.  I think you and I both know why you're avoiding mentioning that name.

BTW, you forgot to lock this thread after your umpteenth edit of the first and last posts.  

This topic is created because he called me an alt of PS34 and another account, without ref link, any proof or anything. So Yes he did abuse the trust system, and its not the first time and def not the last either.
What I did was to ref to this topic and said he trust abused, witch he did. Then he deleted it and replace it with a new feedback, after that I deleted my feedback.
I am not a clown that feel that I need to post on another peoples walls that I don't have anything to do with, that's a behavior of a nerd in my opinion.

Next time you open your mouths, read the whole topic so you won't look like fools, or you think it's totally normal and OK to accuse accounts to belong to each other when they don't with zero proof?
Shouldn't the accuser create some kind of topic with proofs and then use that as a REF link?



Of course I did not, and I would never ask anyone for any documents. NEVER. (Why he don't just ask the people who applied?!)
First am I an alt of Ps34 and after that I stealing KYC. 🤡
The only thing I do is to offer non-collateral loans, and so far everyone that tried it are happy.



Your reply are really worried, you think this is completely normal. by the way the feedback you left me is wrong.
I did not created this topic for the reason your saying, its because I was accused of being and alt of PS34.
You really doing all you can to be as far away from that DT list you can. I mean 70+ people distrust you.
Feedback from you means nothing absolutely nothing for anyone.

A question, why do you feel that you must lie so much on daily basis? Are you ok?

Really? This for a neutral tag? You can get mad all you want, OP, but a neutral tag like that is not abusing the trust system. In general a neutral tag is not, unless it is clearly negative in spirit but neutral in color, something like "CYBER_COWBOY is a fucking scammer, don't deal with him." That could be a case of trust abuse if it is not supported by anything other than opinion.

I may have been accused of not having all the information, but not one person has said I have acted with malice.

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PM me when you are ready to talk.

I may need to revise a tag or 2 but mostly factual information. Saying I think account A is account B and possibly account C is specualtive. None of that should be happening. The fishy tags while true are probably unnecessary despite my feelings. The royse tag was true by his own words iirc. Regardless I could probably remove that tag as well. Not sure whats up with the exchange as I forget what that was all about. 2017 was a long time ago. Looks like other users shared my feelings though and went as far a red tagging them.

What happened in the past and what should be happening now are 2 different things. People adapt and grow, apparently not all though. Thanks for asking about my health but i'm not sure you're genuine so I will decline to answer you. Have a good day buddy.

Glass Houses, @yahoo62278

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You have more than double the number of negative trust feedbacks placed against other users compared to the number I have (and a similar proportion of positives) - Perhaps instead of giving armchair opinions you go back and review your own trust feedbacks left for others?  (Including your negatives)

(Feel free to review mine to compare to your own)

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I haven't seen your health issue thread for a while.  I hope you are still on the mend.

Lol, I'm sure some would argue that I've had my moments.

But I think Stalker22 was talking about PytagoraZ, since he started a similar thread about the neutral that he received a few weeks ago.

In his loan thread, it can be seen that he approved two loans.
First is to the dollarday reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62035357
User dollarday was banned soon.
Next is loan to Rohan Kotkar, reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62144300 and this loan is defaulted https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/63-loan-defaulted-by-rohan-kotkar-5455027

I would say a very strange criterion for approving loans. Maybe it's just a beginner's mistake.

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Timelord2067, seriously? this is for feedback?

LOL.

It's been that way for years in case you haven't noticed.  It's just that you're now on the receiving end of some feedback you don't agree with.  And I'm not clear on this: were you asking for all of those documents in your lending thread (the income statement, etc.)?  I looked at your terms and didn't see anything like that and don't know if you'd made changes or not.  Hopefully you weren't, because despite you stating adamantly that your intention wouldn't be to use that information to scam anyone, no one can read your mind.  A scammer and an honest lender would both say the same thing, so who's to say?

Now, now.  I'm not familiar with CYBER_COWBOY, but DireWolfM14 is certainly not a bitch of any size.

What is truly sad is that both of you little bitches are complaining about the neutral feedback on your profiles, while at the same time, you are leaving retaliatory feedback and thus abusing the trust system yourselves.

Congratulations @dire your first thread full of angst and navel gazing.

If I could find the quote, I'd post that image "to not feed the Trolls"

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In any event, speaking of using the Trust feedback wall as a post it note wall:

Here is a retaliatory comment made by the OP:


Speaking of ps34 ... has anyone else noticed ps34 has stopped posting while ps1234 has "just woken up"?

It's sad that people handle out feedback like that, I think it's only hurting the forums reputation and make it harder for it to grow in general.
I am pretty sure he actually don't believe me and Ps34 are the same person and did this for others reason, because Wolf ain't stupid.

Hi, buddy
I feel the same way about you. I get neutral tags referring to the posts themselves, not evidence. but on DT recommended me to forget about it, so I did. Maybe it's better to forget about it before DT gets angry and makes his tag turn red. DT can do it, with or without proof.

Honestly I'm Sympathetic because you get a tag without any proof of reference. But that is our fate as members of the lower class

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Congratulations, looks like you succeeded. because I don't see that neutral tag anymore


Hi, buddy
Looks like we have an unfinished discussion. Maybe I could complain, because you also complain when you think I'm not responding to someone

I guess you have right. I should just ignore it, but it irritates me that I get accused for being a guy that have speaking very bad to me, both in posting, pm & in telegram.
But I should not let it affect me like that, you have right. But I am sure Wolf don't think we are the same person, he just want a reason to try to start an argue with me. (He tried many times before but just got ignored, he prob hurt) but I don't argue on the internet, if I argue it will happen face2face.

I would like to correct a little about the fact that you and other accounts may have different IPs. This does not mean anything; always remember TOR and the easy change of IP addresses.
But this remark does not mean that I am on someone's side. Usually, whoever leaves neutral tags with some kind of accusation should provide a reference link. In addition to everything, time will put everything in its place. Simple guesses don't say anything, why would you care about people with less than 1 percent brains? The rest must draw their own conclusions.

I understand what you saying, but that I should be an alt of Ps34 and the other guy is ridiculous. Everyone with at least 1% of brain now this is not the case.  
I guess he is in love with me and since I rejected him time after time he is desperate, pathetic if you ask me. Why not just leave me alone.....?
This is just mean, and being mean on the internet is sign of extremely weakness and insecureness.

And a question with all respect but why should i expect many talks about me and my reputation becasue this is the bitcointalk forum?

You see one thing about this forum is that you need to learn how to keep your head straight, this is bitcointalk community and you should expect many talks about you and your reputation, but the good luck you've got is when none of this talks concerns you or finds you guilty of them, any accusation without concrete evidence to it will always be discarded by the community, this is ot the first time people were wrongly accused or something, yours is to remain upright.

I'm 100% in agreement with this comment, but when in Rome...

The trust system seems to have become the new post-it-note for the forum, even Switzerland suggested I leave that tag.  

Yes I had him on ignore since the day he came in to my loan thread and was rude, but he obvious could not take that. Dunno why... I guess he is used to walk over people here and can't accept when people stands up for themself and speaks back. That I should be Ps34 and the other user (i forgot his name) is ridiculous and I don't think he actually believe that, he just want to paint on my wall, and he is very welcome to do so if it makes him happy and makes him feel stronger.

Maybe he is angry because I called him and Timelord same shit. but he just proofed us all that they are.

But in the end it's just sad and so unnecessary.

I really don't like users using the trust system for this type of stuff. Speculation tags are just not cool IMO. I def don't think ps34 could write a topic like this 1 is written. Hopefully you guys can work out your differences and get the tag removed, but if not there is that ignore button.

" Unfortunately I do not have any concrete evidence but I have a strong suspicion that this user is an alt of elmanchez (u=2553198) and ps34 (u=2751022). If dealing with this user, I suggest you trust him no more than you would the other two. If in doubt, use escrow. DireWolfM14 " -

I don't care if you feel that you need to paint on my wall, go ahead and let your emotions run a riot, this "neutral-feedback drama" is so nerdy so I can only laugh.

But I can do you a favor, if you dislike me so much, let's meet and speak face to face, I show who I am and you can show the forum that you actually can back up your worlds.