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Topic: STOP SUPPORTING CRIMINALS AND SCAMMERS - page 3. (Read 3806 times)

sr. member
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October 10, 2015, 03:10:52 PM
#25

Since when did gambling become a criminal activity?
In certain countries (e.g. US) it is illegal to gamble online.

But that begs the question as to whose laws are we going to follow?


Well fortunately I dont live in the USA, and in the EU its not a problem. Gambling is not illegal in the US. online gambline is. And it wont be for long.
staff
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Just writing some code
October 10, 2015, 03:05:35 PM
#24

Since when did gambling become a criminal activity?
In certain countries (e.g. US) it is illegal to gamble online.

But that begs the question as to whose laws are we going to follow?
sr. member
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October 10, 2015, 02:50:27 PM
#23
It's a shame to see people ranting about these continuous scamming that happens in this forum yet they ignore the forum section dedicated to this kind of problem.

Arguably, a Bitcoin discussion forum could do without gambling, ponzi promotion, selling of warez and stolen gift cards, hacked/farmed bitcointalk accounts, etc., etc.
Just spitballing here...


Since when did gambling become a criminal activity?

I think the forum can do more to combat fraud, but @ what cost? funds and who's time? users should always be wary, and can do more too, to protect themselves.

Known scam accounts should for example have their pm's disabled...and ability to create new threads taken away.
legendary
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October 10, 2015, 01:29:57 PM
#22
I doubt that it is the forums job to babysit you while you try to conduct trades with random strangers that are hidden under a pseudonym or while you invest/use/install random coins that end up being a pump and dump/virus/etc. If you get scammed online I could say that in most cases it is your own fault. I've been here for longer than 2 years and I have never had this problem. The forum's policy is what it is and it is okay for now.

Arguably, a Bitcoin discussion forum could do without gambling, ponzi promotion, selling of warez and stolen gift cards, hacked/farmed bitcointalk accounts, etc., etc.
Just spitballing here...
Gambling is okay. 'Digital goods' != warez and stolen gift cards. Even if selling accounts was against the rules, there's no way to properly enforce that (e.g. trades via PM).
legendary
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October 10, 2015, 01:21:24 PM
#21
Nobody is ignoring it, in fact everybody here who has been here before you has been consistently warning about scammers and ponzi schemes since Bitcoin became more known and advertised to the public. No, people like you need to stop coming in here and trying to run the show, many people here are free market advocates regardless of political affiliation and care a great deal about freedom of speech and expression.

So in English that means regardless of your personal feelings on the matter no we shouldn't go around rabidly banning and stamping down on what people are posting up, we can't prevent stupid people from throwing their money away to begin with because they're stupid, they'll ignore any advice given, so for fucks sake like I've said to so many people before you keep your arrogant and protectionist attitude to yourself.
newbie
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October 10, 2015, 11:55:02 AM
#20
It's a shame to see people ranting about these continuous scamming that happens in this forum yet they ignore the forum section dedicated to this kind of problem.

Arguably, a Bitcoin discussion forum could do without gambling, ponzi promotion, selling of warez and stolen gift cards, hacked/farmed bitcointalk accounts, etc., etc.
Just spitballing here...
legendary
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October 10, 2015, 08:16:21 AM
#19
You can make a post on Scam Accusations if you feel someone is scamming or wrongdoing in the forums.

This topic is about a request that the forum moderates scam, not a scam accusation, so it belongs here. The Diggit.io is just an example.

And scam accusations are opened only after the scam happened, so at best they are damage control. And it is far from being the most visited section in the forum.

It's a shame to see people ranting about these continuous scamming that happens in this forum yet they ignore the forum section dedicated to this kind of problem.

They take it as a big problem but yet they can't do their least job of contributing in busting these scammers by filling a repost in the scam accusation section.  Undecided
legendary
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October 10, 2015, 08:06:16 AM
#18
You can make a post on Scam Accusations if you feel someone is scamming or wrongdoing in the forums.

This topic is about a request that the forum moderates scam, not a scam accusation, so it belongs here. The Diggit.io is just an example.

And scam accusations are opened only after the scam happened, so at best they are damage control. And it is far from being the most visited section in the forum.
legendary
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October 10, 2015, 07:55:44 AM
#17
It's not like the forum is supporting these scammers. Peoples action in this forum is not moderated so the forum can't really do anything about it. Other than those people from the DT warning others of a certain scammer with their left feedbacks, there is no other way this scammers could be stopped.

It's all in our hands on how we can handle how this scammers will get to us  You could just use the ignore button and just don't lay your eyes on that scammer. That's the best thing we can do to stop them from their doing. Let's stop being naive first and less they'll realize we are not dumb enough to let them take our money.
legendary
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October 10, 2015, 07:48:46 AM
#16
It's not the forum's fault if the members here scam or commit crime but I do agree that by not banning them it can cause furthuer harm to the reputation of the forum and members as well. There have been many users who have left this forum due to this reason as everyday a new scam comes out and people are more dishonest than trusted here. The other forum I'm a part of has banned all proven scammers and hence users are more trusted there.
staff
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Just writing some code
October 09, 2015, 09:29:48 PM
#15
Not a single "could we stop supporting crime? Any ideas on how to go about doing it?"
We could stop supporting crime, and I think that the mods kind of do that. I report posts of people selling illegal goods like stolen/hacked credit cards and paypal accounts and usually the thread disappears, probably to the trash can.

The problem is moderating scams. Some sites seem scammy, but aren't. Other sites might seem legit, but are actually scams. You don't know whether a site is actually a scam until it scams. Investigating scams also takes a long time. People (e.g. quickseller) spend a lot of time investigating people and sites to determine whether they are scammers or alts of scammers. If it were part of the moderator's job to do this, they wouldn't have enough time to actually do their job of moderating and cleaning up the forum.

Additionally, the threads that scammers create, and the threads for their scams, should be kept for reference and proof of the scam. They of course should be kept publicly so people can view them. However, this of course exposes more potential victims to the scams. Which is why we have the trust system. Those scammers are immediately tagged with -ve trust which becomes quite obvious and then their sites and the people themselves are no longer trusted. The scam accusation threads are also referenced in those red trusts and those also describe and prove that a scam happened. The proof itself typically also comes from the scammer's threads.
legendary
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October 09, 2015, 06:12:29 PM
#14
ITT: Guy suggests bitcointalk should not support known criminals, names a [presumably, have no idea] criminal operation as an example.
Responses range from camwhore pimping her site to "you're too stupid to use bitcoin."
Bonus: unholycactus points out that "People also use cash or credit fraud to commit crimes."

Not a single "could we stop supporting crime? Any ideas on how to go about doing it?"

Stop feeding them and they will go away.
newbie
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October 09, 2015, 05:51:03 PM
#13
ITT: Guy suggests bitcointalk should not support known criminals, names a [presumably, have no idea] criminal operation as an example.
Responses range from camwhore pimping her site to "you're too stupid to use bitcoin."
Bonus: unholycactus points out that "People also use cash or credit fraud to commit crimes."

Not a single "could we stop supporting crime? Any ideas on how to go about doing it?"
legendary
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October 09, 2015, 05:08:54 PM
#12
Bitcoin is meant to create economic freedom. If you aren't responsible enough to protect yourself from scams, you should avoid using it.
As for the label people give to Bitcoin users, it doesn't matter.

People also use cash or credit fraud to commit crimes.
hero member
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Lazy Lurker Reads Alot
October 09, 2015, 05:08:06 PM
#11
There is absolute no protection against anything related to crypto to not be a scam or a hoax.
Its like your wallet falling out of your pocket on the street, you should consider yourself lucky if one actually returns the wallet with the money in it.
But i promise you 98% of them take the money and throw away the emptied wallet.
legendary
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October 09, 2015, 04:58:44 PM
#10
Coldblooded, calm down buddy  Sad
Many users had made an investment or participated in ponzi/scam sites and got robbed without speaking about the cloudmining ones.
The key to avoid being scammed is to learn about the company & see the experience of users with it and ofc report it with a solid proofs when it turns scam!  Cry
sr. member
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October 09, 2015, 04:48:14 PM
#9
situations like this

People need check local law for avoid problems, for sure.
legendary
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October 09, 2015, 04:38:30 PM
#8
STOP ALLOWING CRIMINALS

How do You put people to be "criminals"?
For example -
the " free bitcoin webcam chat www.VKcams.com "
is 100% illegal in some countries like Kazakstan, China (Manland), Afganistan, Saudi Arabia...

I'm proud to be criminal, in that case.
This is another good point. Apart from obvious and clear scams, there are situations like this ^.
And this is global forum, how we could enforce every local law on all users and try to keep all this in order? There is simply no way.
sr. member
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October 09, 2015, 04:14:30 PM
#7
STOP ALLOWING CRIMINALS

How do You put people to be "criminals"?
For example -
the " free bitcoin webcam chat www.VKcams.com "
is 100% illegal in some countries like Kazakstan, China (Manland), Afganistan, Saudi Arabia...

I'm proud to be criminal, in that case.
hero member
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Crypto.games
October 09, 2015, 04:10:22 PM
#6
looks like you just got scammed or something, but bitcointalk doesnt support scammers nor criminals
you can post on scam accusation if you feel youre getting scammed or got scammed, and if
youre thinking about arresting the scammers well that wont happen because bitcoin is a free currency
its not being controlled  by the government so if you get scammed government laws doesnt apply in bitcoin.

thats my understanding if you get scammed.
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