Topic: stopping the war on coal (Read 1977 times)
How dare you, to expect him to tell apart the difference in MW and MWh whilst power plants provide him with energy.
Okay, you're trolling. No one is this stupid.
but the real costs we will be paying is jumping from $16 per megawatt to between $136 and $397 per megawatt.
Now, there is quite a disparity between what providers pay for electricity and the end costs to the consumer.
So, do you think this disparity accounts for the fact that you've read some articles you don't understand and have mistaken Watts for Watt-hours?
The disparity was explained to you.
Here is what you are either not understanding... or intentionally trying to confuse so others may not grasp its full effect and meaning:
The actual cost providers pay for electricity is going up between 850% and 2480%.
These price increases are a direct result of the war on coal.
These price increases are not estimates. They are already agreed to and contracted. These increases WILL HAPPEN unless we take measures to stop them.
These costs will be passed on the electricity consumer.
This means every electricity consumers bills will rise between 850% and 2480%.
... unless we contact our legislators and undo this financial rape only meant to decrease our wealth and ability to survive and thrive.
do it today before its to late: http://action.americancommitment.org/6675/vote-yes-on-sj-res-37-to-stop-epas-war-on-coal/
but the real costs we will be paying is jumping from $16 per megawatt to between $136 and $397 per megawatt.
Now, there is quite a disparity between what providers pay for electricity and the end costs to the consumer.
So, do you think this disparity accounts for the fact that you've read some articles you don't understand and have mistaken Watts for Watt-hours?
Current cost for electricity based on coal fired hydro-electric is $16 per megawatt. I can attest this is accurate by my electric bill.
Do you even know what a megawatt is?
its a unit of elecricity/power equaling one million watts or 1000 kilowatts, etc.
if you wish to know more on how this relates to real world electricity usage and billing, please visit: http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/cost.html and http://www.tipsandtricks-hq.com/the-differences-between-power-watts-and-energy-kilowatts-hour-kwh-393
Now, there is quite a disparity between what providers pay for electricity and the end costs to the consumer. The wages for electric company employees, taxes, infrastructure and support costs (and much more) makes up the disparity.
Current cost for electricity based on coal fired hydro-electric is $16 per megawatt. I can attest this is accurate by my electric bill.
Do you even know what a megawatt is?
What? You can go online and buy solar panels. Sure, it's about 1.50 per watt or so, and payback time isn't for years, but DAMN.. might as well.
Yes you can buy panels but you must have them professionally installed by an electrician certified in solar technology and you need permits. No electrician companies are around that will install 3rd party products. You must buy from them. Its a racket.
All I could afford is 2 kW of panels grid tied, and this included "incentives". It cost me $4.50 a watt installed plus $3000 for the GT inverter. And barely makes a dent in the electric bill. There is a difference but its very small.
Incentives in America too. Nice tax credits for 'em. Just a lot of paperwork, which people don't like.
The problem is few can afford to lay out $20,000 to $50,000 for enough kW of alternative energy generating products to defray the new high costs of electric and to run their homes, regardless of the current "incentives".
Go do some pricing for whole house solar solutions. I have.
Look, now you're just making things up. I read a few of your articles, and they don't say this at all.
Please do the math.
Current cost for electricity based on coal fired hydro-electric is $16 per megawatt. I can attest this is accurate by my electric bill.
The real new costs that has already been agreed to contracted and signed is between $136 and $397 per megawatt.
That is indeed a 850% to 2480% increase.
Perhaps you should re-read the congressional site figures again.
No amount of pie-in-the-sky forward looking supposition, conjecture, and partisan rhetoric is going to change those figures.
Green energy is about the same cost as carbon. When carbon taxes raise the costs of carbon energy by 4x, then green energy will be 4x cheaper. If you choose to use carbo energy, then you are forcing yourself into poverty. Save me the conspiracy theories. Show me how the taxes affect wind, water, nuclear, and solar power.
Post sources for your information please.
The electricity consumer has absolutely no choice between carbon based electricity and non-carbon based electricity.
What? You can go online and buy solar panels. Sure, it's about 1.50 per watt or so, and payback time isn't for years, but DAMN.. might as well.
Incentives in America too. Nice tax credits for 'em. Just a lot of paperwork, which people don't like.
Green energy is about the same cost as carbon. When carbon taxes raise the costs of carbon energy by 4x, then green energy will be 4x cheaper. If you choose to use carbo energy, then you are forcing yourself into poverty. Save me the conspiracy theories. Show me how the taxes affect wind, water, nuclear, and solar power.
Post sources for your information please.
The electricity consumer has absolutely no choice between carbon based electricity and non-carbon based electricity.
What? You can go online and buy solar panels. Sure, it's about 1.50 per watt or so, and payback time isn't for years, but DAMN.. might as well.
If you have a $160 per month electric bill today, in 2015-2018 your electric bill will be between $1360.00 and $3970.00 PER MONTH.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-18/business/chi-electric-rates-going-up-in-2015-20120518_1_electric-rates-electric-grid-capacity-payments
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-18/business/chi-electric-rates-going-up-in-2015-20120518_1_electric-rates-electric-grid-capacity-payments
Look, now you're just making things up. I read a few of your articles, and they don't say this at all. Instead, they say:
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Your electric rates are going up but not until 2015.
That year, electric bills are set to be about $130 a year more than now
That year, electric bills are set to be about $130 a year more than now
Most of the figures quoted are almost completely meaningless, wholesale costs for "demand" electricity that are going up in order to accommodate more variable renewable energy. It has very little to do with end-user costs.
Green energy is about the same cost as carbon. When carbon taxes raise the costs of carbon energy by 4x, then green energy will be 4x cheaper. If you choose to use carbo energy, then you are forcing yourself into poverty. Save me the conspiracy theories. Show me how the taxes affect wind, water, nuclear, and solar power.
Post sources for your information please.
The electricity consumer has absolutely no choice between carbon based electricity and non-carbon based electricity.
What? You can go online and buy solar panels. Sure, it's about 1.50 per watt or so, and payback time isn't for years, but DAMN.. might as well.
I don't care if energy costs quadruple if that's what it takes to break our addiction to carbon fuel. Cold turkey is sometimes the only cure.
+1 I don't care if energy costs quadruple if that's what it takes to break our addiction to carbon fuel. Cold turkey is sometimes the only cure.
What? Energy more expensive? But I want to bring 2 tons of steel with me everywhere i go 100 miles a day and send a million watts of light into the night just because my parents did. How do you expect us to pay for continued destruction of our most valuable resources? You expect us to start living healthier and more fulfilling lives? Sacrilege.
Unfortunately also, like many of the things the president says, I have yet to see any evidence that this has actually happened or is likely to happen in the future.
Did you read the government links I posted.
It has already happened.
The EPA Utility MACT ... the electric providers already did their future contracts for the the rates based on the new EPA guidelines and dates I posted.
All done without congressional oversight or voting.
What happening is that we are trying to undo it.
It is cap and trade forced into law circumventing the legislature.
Green energy is about the same cost as carbon. When carbon taxes raise the costs of carbon energy by 4x, then green energy will be 4x cheaper. If you choose to use carbo energy, then you are forcing yourself into poverty. Save me the conspiracy theories. Show me how the taxes affect wind, water, nuclear, and solar power.
Post sources for your information please.
The electricity consumer has absolutely no choice between carbon based electricity and non-carbon based electricity.
Green energy is about the same cost as carbon. When carbon taxes raise the costs of carbon energy by 4x, then green energy will be 4x cheaper. If you choose to use carbo energy, then you are forcing yourself into poverty. Save me the conspiracy theories. Show me how the taxes affect wind, water, nuclear, and solar power.
Why didn't it work in Spain?
Unfortunately, like many things the president says, I agree with him that coal prices should "necessarily skyrocket." Unfortunately also, like many of the things the president says, I have yet to see any evidence that this has actually happened or is likely to happen in the future.
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