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donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
June 04, 2012, 07:45:15 PM
#5
Green energy is about the same cost as carbon. When carbon taxes raise the costs of carbon energy by 4x, then green energy will be 4x cheaper. If you choose to use carbo energy, then you are forcing yourself into poverty. Save me the conspiracy theories. Show me how the taxes affect wind, water, nuclear, and solar power.
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weaving spiders come not here
June 04, 2012, 07:35:18 PM
#4
What you need to know is that this has nothing to do with health and safety of Americans. Its about taxing us into poverty and losing our land and ability to survive and thrive because we cant afford the costs.

Coal has been clean energy since the Clean Air Act forced them to curb their emissions. The smoke you see from stacks is mostly steam form the emiisions hydro cleaning process.

The EPA is legislating mercury emissions. What few know is that they put mercury in our vaccines and mercury emissions in coal emissions is very low comparatively to other sources, some natural.

What few know is that the govenrment is giving waivers to their buddies in public/private partnerships just like they did with healthcare and other treasonous legislation. Most notably in the military industrial complex.

I would be happy to  pay quadruple energy costs, but the real costs we will be paying is jumping from $16 per megawatt to between $136 and $397 per megawatt. These are not estimates, but actual prices suppliers have contracted for 2015-2018, with the costs being passed on to the consumer (you and me). In other words, an 850% to 2480% increase in electricity costs to the general public depending on geographic location and provider.

If you have a $160 per month electric bill today, in 2015-2018 your electric bill will be between $1360.00 and $3970.00 PER MONTH.

Again, this is not estimate or forward looking statements, BUT THE ACTUAL REAL MARKET COSTS TO THE ELECTRICITY BUYER.

The price for everything we buy, use, and need to survive will increase the same as well.

Food, water, clothing, transportation, medical, housing, services, internet access, online services, even bitcoin generation. And everything else.

http://energycommerce.house.gov/news/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=9534
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-18/business/chi-electric-rates-going-up-in-2015-20120518_1_electric-rates-electric-grid-capacity-payments
http://www.electricitypolicy.com/news/4372-pjm%E2%80%99s-capacity-auction-apt-to-boost-generator-profits-and-customer-prices-by-2015
http://www.citizensutilityboard.org/news20120517_ChiTrib_CapacityAndCoal.html
http://generationhub.com/2012/05/21/gop-says-pjm-auction-shows-result-of-obama-war-on
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/22/obamas-war-on-coal-hits-your-electric-bill/print#ixzz1vdALNXOI

please contact your legislators today to support legislation killing the EPA's UMACT coal requirements: http://action.americancommitment.org/6675/vote-yes-on-sj-res-37-to-stop-epas-war-on-coal/

and educate everyone you talk to.. please.
donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
June 04, 2012, 07:42:11 AM
#3
I don't care if energy costs quadruple if that's what it takes to break our addiction to carbon fuel. Cold turkey is sometimes the only cure.
legendary
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June 04, 2012, 06:45:46 AM
#2
Coal is almost as dirty as oil.
The only difference is that coal is found in abundance in North America, as opposed to oil, which is found in abundance in the middle east.
Coal, like oil, is non-renewable. That means it is a limited resource.

Did you know, there are alternatives to coal for power generation?


"The cost, according to EPA’s own estimate, is $10 billion per year.  A more realistic analysis from the national Economic Research Associates found compliance costs of $21 billion per year, with 183,000 lost jobs per year."

That figure doesn't make sense? How are you losing jobs when you are installing stuff? I mean, you have to have engineers to plan the placement of the 'retrofits'. Where do the job loses come from?
hero member
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weaving spiders come not here
June 04, 2012, 04:42:06 AM
#1
new legislation .. this link will send an email to legislators supporting congressional bill that would overturn the EPS's UMACT rule, effectively killing the war on coal.

http://action.americancommitment.org/6675/vote-yes-on-sj-res-37-to-stop-epas-war-on-coal/
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