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Topic: Storing money on Smartphone is far more secure than desktop or laptop - page 3. (Read 9344 times)

legendary
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Storing money on smartphone can't be a good decision as mobile can be easily lost or got stolen. But to use and pay even with bitcoin is much more easier scanning QR codes than from laptops.
newbie
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Altough before i was nt knowing about these thing then also i use android wallet apps to store my btc.
hero member
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The thing is that phones can be lost, robbed, broken more frequently than a Desktop. It is more a safety thing than a security thing I think.

agree with delek, i have experience lost my phone and contains my bitcoin.
I immediately opened my email to get in to my wallet and move private key and all the coins.
fortunately all my coins saved. no more storing bitcoin in mobile phone i feel desktop more safer.
legendary
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I don't know about more secure, but it is sure more convenient since we almost constantly hold our phone which means we could check our wallet at will. But I must agree with Sir Carlton Banks, the use of VPN would helps. Though I rarely use VPN when accessing wallet from either laptop or phone, but i've read some tips on facebook group for bitcoin that the use of VPN would helps secure our transaction.

IMO definitely use a 3rd party VPN app, and I also use AF+ to setup firewall rules that stop apps from using anything except the VPN. It's kind of annoying on Android now, you would have been able to just set some easy-ish iptables rules up before KitKat, but now the tables that are setup by default make it a real job to use iptables yourself.
sr. member
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So,what you think more secure?android or ios?
legendary
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But there are some risk, for example ; easy to get stolen or get broke if we are not take care of it
For me, I''m better put my password to my both device ( laptop & smartphone ) so I can having some backup if something bad happen
newbie
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iOS is more secure than Android btw. If you want Android with better security get the new Blackberry Priv running Android thats been out recently.

Breadwallet ceo:

RVC: I've read that mobile wallets should only be used for pocket change. How much money can I safely keep on my phone at one time?

It's ironic, because many people don't realize that their smartphones are actually the most secure computing device they own, far more secure than desktop or laptop systems. It's wallets that can be accessed from the web or desktop that should really only be used for pocket change.

An iPhone uses the same techniques of app sandboxing and enforced code signatures that dedicated hardware wallets use. The phone is also hardware encrypted so your funds are strongly protected even if it's physically stolen. The US DOJ even complains publicly that the phones are too secure. Some people prefer to keep large amounts in paper wallets, but for someone who doesn't have a strong technical knowledge of bitcoin, misunderstanding how change addresses work can result in total loss, so they're not really suitable for the general public. There was recently a $1M dollar bounty offered for a remote jailbreak of iOS, and the winner ended up having to use an exploit in the chrome app, so if we assume markets are efficient, then in theory it should be safe to keep at least $1M in breadwallet (if you don't use chrome).
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legendary
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Would be a good idea to use an old smartphone for cold storage but to carry all your coinage with you would be foolish. I have lost many a phone especially when drunk leaving them in pubs dropping them on trains or falling into the toilet.
legendary
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Wait... What?
Being on you smartphone is more hazardous because of the use of unsecured wifi connections when you are out and about.
you can still use a vpn service to make it secure or you can make your own proxy server just to make sure
the main thing that make android is unsecure when your friend just opened your phone and suddenly uninstall your wallet lol, it'll give pain in my ass

It will still be OK if the wallet we use has online storage, we'll just need to reinstall it and they'll instantly recover our data, isn't it?
legendary
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Its got to be worth a bit just knowing people are hacking ur phone anyway

If you mean that you leave some bits in an open wallet to know if your pc or phone got hacked, then I understand it right. I also do the exact same thing. I have around 0.12 BTC in an open wallet to see if everything is still fine.

no he is saying that smarthphone are not immune from virus and stuff like that like dsktop, they are also more hard to intercept, and antivirus ar enot as strong as desktop version

personally i would store bitcoin in my phone on small quantity, just for spending purpose
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Both laptops/desktops and phones have their risks.

It depends on which one you're most comfertable with carrying around. I believe anything without internet is the safest way to store money on.

I'd only connect it to the internet if I either need to take some money out or put some money on it.
legendary
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Its got to be worth a bit just knowing people are hacking ur phone anyway

If you mean that you leave some bits in an open wallet to know if your pc or phone got hacked, then I understand it right. I also do the exact same thing. I have around 0.12 BTC in an open wallet to see if everything is still fine.
legendary
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Its got to be worth a bit just knowing people are hacking ur phone anyway
legendary
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Storing bitcoins onto a paper wallet or on a physical (DIY) crypto-coin (~ for the purpose of hoarding them) and keeping it at the most secret corner of your house is in fact the most safest way in my opinion.

But for the sake of daily transactions, storing bitcoins on smartphones would be the safest and easiest way. You can directly send required amount of coins by scanning the recipient's QR code only. Nowadays one can store Bitcoins and other altcoins only at a single wallet (thanks to Coinomi's multi-wallet app).

Although there's a risk of getting your phone stolen, but that would be your carelessness! That's why I always carry 2 phones and mostly use the $20 phone at public places (~ where there's more congestion and a chance of getting pick-pocketed) only for some important conversations and the $600 one remains inside the secret chamber of my bag.

As per as apps are concerned, I don't feel the need to root/jailbreak my phone in order to download malicious apps. I'm pretty much contented with the apps I get from play store/apple store. (I have a spare rooted phone only for doing all sorts of experiments though Tongue)

Again one might think about getting his phone robbed by some felon, first of all I would suggest them not to make any stranger feel like you are the richest guy in town! And not to meander around quite places for a long time, especially when you are alone.
hero member
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I think storing on desktop or laptop is more secure rather storing in my smartphone.

First factor is, smartphone can be lost so easily. Also i usually forgot where my smartphone is.

But for laptop or desktop is always using at home.
hero member
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If it wasn't created offline it's not safe.

^This is the only golden rule one needs to follow to keep their bitcoins safe. Put maximum of your holdings in a cold wallet, keep some on your desktop wallet for day to day activity and a little on your phone for when you're away from your desktop and keep several backups of all of your wallets and that's it.

Keeping bitcoins safe is easy, don't know why do people have to make this complicated.
legendary
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i have bad habits always forget when I put my smart phone and that is why i lost my smart phone several times
and after that incident i decide will save all my important document also my money in my laptop
sr. member
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Being on you smartphone is more hazardous because of the use of unsecured wifi connections when you are out and about.
There is no risk with connecting on unsecured wifi when using Bitcoin clients.

Transactions are signed locally and broadcasted to the network using internet connection. Private keys are never sent to the network either. The attacker cannot modify the content even if the connection isn't encrypted. Modifying the transaction by changing the inputs or outputs would make it invalid and it is impossible to get the private key either.

It is possible for VPN provider to initiate a MITM attack which can capture your information nevertheless.
legendary
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Wait... What?
I don't know about more secure, but it is sure more convenient since we almost constantly hold our phone which means we could check our wallet at will. But I must agree with Sir Carlton Banks, the use of VPN would helps. Though I rarely use VPN when accessing wallet from either laptop or phone, but i've read some tips on facebook group for bitcoin that the use of VPN would helps secure our transaction.
sr. member
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Give a fool the most secure system and he will break it, lose it or whatever. Give a smart man any option, even the less optimal and he will do good by making right choices. Simple as that!

It's true. I use Android, and I feel like I've done my best to make it secure (up-to-date Cyanogenmod, no GApps/Play Store, Fennec Firefox only, VPN,  AF+ firewall etc), but I still feel like a smart guy using the crappy option  Cheesy Still not picked up any malware (or lost coins) on my various phones.

I am waiting impatiently for a decent modular phone platform (Ara/Puzzlephone/Fairphone 2) with an OS that's actually designed to be secure (as opposed to one that might as well have been designed to be insecure)
Seems like this might be up your alley, I would look into it if I were you: https://www.silentcircle.com/products-and-solutions/devices/silent-os/
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