He has more to worry about than loosing finacial support
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/27/zelenskyy-worried-about-western-financial-support-after-video-surfaces-showing-ukraine-military-torturing-russian-pows/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaNjK5VKmMQ
RUSSIA SEIZES Ownership & Control of Major BRANDS - Burger King, MacDonalds, KFC, Subway, M&S, Ibis
Topic: Strategic defeat for Russia? (Read 339 times)
Energie, natural gas and petrol is only one sector but i think Russia is also the largest exporter of fertilizer and lots of weath....
The metal market what russia supplies the world with:
Palladium 40%, Car exhaust (catalytic converter) ...
Platinum 2nd largest supplier, Car exhaust(Diesel) ...
Vanadium 2nd largest supplier, stronger Steel ...
Nickel 3rd largest supplier, all batteries, stainless steel.... (new all time high price)
Aluminium 2nd largest supplier, ....... (new all time high price)
Cobalt 2nd largest producer, batteries
Titanium 13% of global supply (41% of all german manufacture), airspace, golf clubs, engines
Gold 2nd biggest supplier
Politician boycott and sanction not the people (well some vaccinated zombies to), the people have no say in the matter
The metal market what russia supplies the world with:
Palladium 40%, Car exhaust (catalytic converter) ...
Platinum 2nd largest supplier, Car exhaust(Diesel) ...
Vanadium 2nd largest supplier, stronger Steel ...
Nickel 3rd largest supplier, all batteries, stainless steel.... (new all time high price)
Aluminium 2nd largest supplier, ....... (new all time high price)
Cobalt 2nd largest producer, batteries
Titanium 13% of global supply (41% of all german manufacture), airspace, golf clubs, engines
Gold 2nd biggest supplier
Politician boycott and sanction not the people (well some vaccinated zombies to), the people have no say in the matter
None of these minerals are strategic in the sense that they cannot be obtained from other locations, albeit perhaps there will be a cost of doing so. None of these elements are going to deter the West or force them into trading with Putin. The only exception is Crude Oil, and that may also be eventually sourced somehow else.
RE aluminium, that is quite funny that you mention: Putin would need to import the mineral from Australia to keep the production. Guess what Australia did recently about it? That's right, banned the export to Putin's Russia.
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Map shows at what date a particular area was given to Ukraine.
Donbas was part of Ukraine for 25% of Ukraines history (92 years out of 367)
If your argument is that Ukraine is 1142 old than Donbas region was 8% part of Ukraine
Donbas the two break away areas of Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's, a part of what Lenin gave away for personal gains.
The modern nations of Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine all claim Kievan Rus' as their cultural ancestors, with Belarus and Russia deriving their names from it.
Map shows at what date a particular area was given to Ukraine.
Donbas was part of Ukraine for 25% of Ukraines history (92 years out of 367)
If your argument is that Ukraine is 1142 old than Donbas region was 8% part of Ukraine
Donbas the two break away areas of Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's, a part of what Lenin gave away for personal gains.
The modern nations of Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine all claim Kievan Rus' as their cultural ancestors, with Belarus and Russia deriving their names from it.
Again posting over and over the same image in every thread. The right to rule does not come from the right of contest, who ruled before or any "god given reason" but only from the will of the people that live there. We do not live in the middle ages or else Putin would have to give half of Russia to Mongolia.
lets see how the woke left in the usa will struggle to life with Pres. Putin, and emberass themselves over and over again, getting exposed as nazis and racist
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Some are married for decades at some stage a partner becomes increasingly abusive (in this case 16000 dead in 8 years), then it's time for a divorce. This "family" feud is no execption.
We will find out how many Countries Ukraine will be split, only 3 or 4, 5..... (West Ukraine, Ukraine, Donetsk, Luhansk People's Republic....)
Probably not as drastic as Yugoslavia where they had like 4+ ethnicities jammed into one country. Thanks for reminding me about the western area that is having separatist movement as well.
Donetsk and Luhansk did have a referendum and 90% voted to be a indepented nations.
What the outcome of the negotiations will be we will find out.
Lviv Oblast more or less is the same size as Luhansk and bigger than Slovenia, Montenegro or 50 countries in the world, was once a independent state, Galicia-Volhynia, it was also part of Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austro-Hungarian Empire,
and the West Ukrainian People's Republic and Poland, when it was part of the Lwów Voivodeship of the Second Republic of Poland.
From November 1918 — June 1919 part of an independent West Ukrainian National Republic.
The region only became part of the Soviet Union under the terms of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in 1939.
You dare to predict what the outcome of a referendum would be in the oblast if the people given the choice to be indepented and if the behave, work hard to have the option to join Eu and Nato?
In Zakarpattia Oblast seven villages the Mukachivskyi Raion (couple of thousand people) are of Hungarian decent ask them if the want to be part of Hungary and instantly become EU citizen or stay a minority in the proven abusive Ukraine. It isn't only Donetsk and Luhansk people who suffer in Ukraine.
Well those referendums were not "legitimate." (Seems we recognize legitimacy to be Western acceptance, though that shouldn't necessarily be the standard). My point is, under any normal circumstances a democratic election would just result in an independent nation for these regions. Zelenskky seems unwilling to accept the truth that some territories are gone, but he's a politician and that is their normal standard (I haven't kept updated on the negotiation talks, so it may be that Zelenskky has already conceded those regions, I don't know).
I wish I had not watched that. You should put a warning on that video.
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Donbas was part of Ukraine for 25% of Ukraines history (92 years out of 367)Almost a century and only now they are complaining about being "treated badly"?
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Some are married for decades at some stage a partner becomes increasingly abusive (in this case 16000 dead in 8 years), then it's time for a divorce. This "family" feud is no execption.
We will find out how many Countries Ukraine will be split, only 3 or 4, 5..... (West Ukraine, Ukraine, Donetsk, Luhansk People's Republic....)
Donetsk and Luhansk are gone. These regions would probably have voluntarily isolated if they were given the choice anyways. Ukraine will still be Ukraine, a single nation. Just carve out the exception for those two regions.
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What the outcome of the negotiations will be we will find out.
Lviv Oblast more or less is the same size as Luhansk and bigger than Slovenia, Montenegro or 50 countries in the world, was once a independent state, Galicia-Volhynia, it was also part of Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austro-Hungarian Empire,
and the West Ukrainian People's Republic and Poland, when it was part of the Lwów Voivodeship of the Second Republic of Poland.
From November 1918 — June 1919 part of an independent West Ukrainian National Republic.
The region only became part of the Soviet Union under the terms of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact in 1939.
You dare to predict what the outcome of a referendum would be in the oblast if the people given the choice to be indepented and if the behave, work hard to have the option to join Eu and Nato?
In Zakarpattia Oblast seven villages the Mukachivskyi Raion (couple of thousand people) are of Hungarian decent ask them if the want to be part of Hungary and instantly become EU citizen or stay a minority in the proven abusive Ukraine. It isn't only Donetsk and Luhansk people who suffer in Ukraine.
About time you show some respect for the President
https://youtu.be/oua0Puihrkc
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Donbas was part of Ukraine for 25% of Ukraines history (92 years out of 367)Almost a century and only now they are complaining about being "treated badly"?
..........
Some are married for decades at some stage a partner becomes increasingly abusive (in this case 16000 dead in 8 years), then it's time for a divorce. This "family" feud is no execption.
We will find out how many Countries Ukraine will be split, only 3 or 4, 5..... (West Ukraine, Ukraine, Donetsk, Luhansk People's Republic....)
Donetsk and Luhansk are gone. These regions would probably have voluntarily isolated if they were given the choice anyways. Ukraine will still be Ukraine, a single nation. Just carve out the exception for those two regions.
If we're talking a divorce, Putin seems to be going through a rough patch with some of his advisors.
See here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-23/putin-adviser-chubais-quits-over-ukraine-war-and-leaves-russia
Long time Russian advisor leaves Russia over Ukraine war. Might seem like Putin is in a bit of a ditch. Lucky for him to get out alive.
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Donbas was part of Ukraine for 25% of Ukraines history (92 years out of 367)Almost a century and only now they are complaining about being "treated badly"?
..........
Some are married for decades at some stage a partner becomes increasingly abusive (in this case 16000 dead in 8 years), then it's time for a divorce. This "family" feud is no execption.
We will find out how many Countries Ukraine will be split, only 3 or 4, 5..... (West Ukraine, Ukraine, Donetsk, Luhansk People's Republic....)
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Donbas was part of Ukraine for 25% of Ukraines history (92 years out of 367)Almost a century and only now they are complaining about being "treated badly"? Those Russians should have opposed the incorporation into Ukraine immediately after the USSR fell and either unified with Russia proper or became independent countries.
And then there's the issue that they may have been placed there as forward settlers to begin with. I haven't looked up the exact locations but I've read that both the czars and the Soviets has systematically settled Russians into areas of Ukraine (usually after depopulation). If these majority Russian areas are those same areas, then it really paid dividends for Russia.
Also, moving borders to historic heights is a touchy topic. Many modern countries like Egypt, Poland, UK, Spain and Turkey would be far bigger if they insist on their max extent.
He should have just done this instead of invading, imho. Much more cost effective, like how he's propping that guy in Belarus. Just orchestrate a coup to get rid of Zelinsky and help install a more friendly president.
Perhaps, but neither strategy is easy. The President before Zelenskky was a pro-Russia type leader that was essentially ousted who now lives in exile. Whatever coup Putin could devise would probably be shut down by the West before it could come to fruition. (Though seeing as NATO has done little to intervene in the invasion, maybe I could be wrong about that).
Yes, I remember that president that was removed for being too pro-Russia. We haven't seen Putin try another regime change before the invasion though.
The Ukrainians could have played it a bit slower about the whole NATO membership thing but I guess they were overcompensating for the previous regime's excessively pro-Russia policies.
it would be too rash to conclude that Russia lost strategically . even though the news on social media seems to corner the Russian invasion of Ukraine. and reported the number of Russian soldiers who died. but news is just news. we can't confirm the truth.
I prefer to look at the point of view that Russia did not use real power or totality in the invasion of Ukraine. Russia seems to minimize the death toll from Ukrainian citizens.
but I don't care who loses and wins. because in war. those who lose and win still receive the same loss, namely many lives will fall and die. a life that money cannot buy. is the most precious thing in this world. and cannot be replaced.
I hope Russia and Ukraine can resolve this issue peacefully soon.
I really hate violence because it harms everyone.
I prefer to look at the point of view that Russia did not use real power or totality in the invasion of Ukraine. Russia seems to minimize the death toll from Ukrainian citizens.
but I don't care who loses and wins. because in war. those who lose and win still receive the same loss, namely many lives will fall and die. a life that money cannot buy. is the most precious thing in this world. and cannot be replaced.
I hope Russia and Ukraine can resolve this issue peacefully soon.
I really hate violence because it harms everyone.
The problem of Putin..
There is a good saying that might be relevant here. "The rhinoceros has poor eyesight, but with its weight, this is not his problem". ..............
Who's there to decide
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People who live there decide what they want to be and no-one else.Who's there to decide
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And the people of Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic decided to break away form the abusive Ukraine in 2014.
Like a divorce when the abused partner finally had enough and goes the own way, married no more.
It is a Family Feud and nothing to do with the rest of the world.
Do you really believe this war is about Donetsk and Luhansk?
Even Putin isn't clear about that. First it was about Crimea, then those separatist republics, then about nazis, then about Ukraine joining NATO, now it's about demilitarization.
Do these "people" want Ukraine to become defenseless vassal state of Russia?
One more thing, if it's all about what the people want, maybe one day "the people" will want you to live in their country and speak their language and if you don't, you'll get denazified.
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Who's there to decide
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People who live there decide what they want to be and no-one else.Who's there to decide
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And the people of Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic decided to break away form the abusive Ukraine in 2014.
Like a divorce when the abused partner finally had enough and goes the own way, married no more.
It is a Family Feud and nothing to do with the rest of the world.
The problem of Putin..
There is a good saying that might be relevant here. "The rhinoceros has poor eyesight, but with its weight, this is not his problem". Map shows at what date a particular area was given to Ukraine.
Donbas was part of Ukraine for 25% of Ukraines history (92 years out of 367)
If your argument is that Ukraine is 1142 old than Donbas region was 8% part of Ukraine
Donbas the two break away areas of Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's, a part of what Lenin gave away for personal gains.
Donbas was part of Ukraine for 25% of Ukraines history (92 years out of 367)
If your argument is that Ukraine is 1142 old than Donbas region was 8% part of Ukraine
Donbas the two break away areas of Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's, a part of what Lenin gave away for personal gains.
So it's been a part of Ukraine for 100 years and you feel like it's not enough?
The map of Europe has been changing by a lot every 100 years. Who's there to decide to which state we should go back to? The borders are established for a reason and I thought WW2 would teach people a bit about the pain that imperialism can bring.
Why don't we restore the Ottoman Empire in the state from 1850? Why don't we restore the Austrian Empire from the same year? Or maybe let's go a 100 years back where territory of Belarus was a part of Poland? Lithuanians would also want their kingdom back.
The problem of Putin is that he's literary a bastard with no father who wants to show the world how tough he is because his whole life he was beaten first by his father in law, then by his uncle and finally by other kids. Now he wants to beat some Ukrainian women and children into submission.
Putin doesn't need to win the hearts and minds of the Ukrainian people. He will install a government that is pro-Russia. So the Ukrainian people will pledge loyalty to a puppet government, not him.
He should have just done this instead of invading, imho. Much more cost effective, like how he's propping that guy in Belarus. Just orchestrate a coup to get rid of Zelinsky and help install a more friendly president.
The invasion stirred nationalist sentiments in Ukraine and even if Putin do get rid of the Zelinsky administration, whatever government he's going to plop down is not going to be viewed as legitimate and would be constantly threatened by coups and rebellion.
well then at least the russian parts of ukraine should have their own government
whats the point if estonians and latvians are allowed to declare independence from russians but russians are not allowed to declare independence from them.
nationalist autonomy for all, thats liberty and freedom but the usa is surpressing it.
Why are those areas of Ukraine majority Russian though? IMHO they should have just traded people across those borders like India and Pakistan did (preferably less violently).
Map shows at what date a particular area was given to Ukraine.
Donbas was part of Ukraine for 25% of Ukraines history (92 years out of 367)
If your argument is that Ukraine is 1142 old than Donbas region was 8% part of Ukraine
Donbas the two break away areas of Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's, a part of what Lenin gave away for personal gains.
The modern nations of Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine all claim Kievan Rus' as their cultural ancestors, with Belarus and Russia deriving their names from it.
He should have just done this instead of invading, imho. Much more cost effective, like how he's propping that guy in Belarus. Just orchestrate a coup to get rid of Zelinsky and help install a more friendly president.
Perhaps, but neither strategy is easy. The President before Zelenskky was a pro-Russia type leader that was essentially ousted who now lives in exile. Whatever coup Putin could devise would probably be shut down by the West before it could come to fruition. (Though seeing as NATO has done little to intervene in the invasion, maybe I could be wrong about that).
The invasion stirred nationalist sentiments in Ukraine
I agree, but Putin did not foresee this happening. He envisioned a quick Ukrainian defeat. Instead he's galvanized Ukraine and the rest of the Westernized world against him.
Putin doesn't need to win the hearts and minds of the Ukrainian people. He will install a government that is pro-Russia. So the Ukrainian people will pledge loyalty to a puppet government, not him.
He should have just done this instead of invading, imho. Much more cost effective, like how he's propping that guy in Belarus. Just orchestrate a coup to get rid of Zelinsky and help install a more friendly president.
The invasion stirred nationalist sentiments in Ukraine and even if Putin do get rid of the Zelinsky administration, whatever government he's going to plop down is not going to be viewed as legitimate and would be constantly threatened by coups and rebellion.
well then at least the russian parts of ukraine should have their own government
whats the point if estonians and latvians are allowed to declare independence from russians but russians are not allowed to declare independence from them.
nationalist autonomy for all, thats liberty and freedom but the usa is surpressing it.
Why are those areas of Ukraine majority Russian though? IMHO they should have just traded people across those borders like India and Pakistan did (preferably less violently).
Putin doesn't need to win the hearts and minds of the Ukrainian people. He will install a government that is pro-Russia. So the Ukrainian people will pledge loyalty to a puppet government, not him.
He should have just done this instead of invading, imho. Much more cost effective, like how he's propping that guy in Belarus. Just orchestrate a coup to get rid of Zelinsky and help install a more friendly president.
The invasion stirred nationalist sentiments in Ukraine and even if Putin do get rid of the Zelinsky administration, whatever government he's going to plop down is not going to be viewed as legitimate and would be constantly threatened by coups and rebellion.
well then at least the russian parts of ukraine should have their own government
whats the point if estonians and latvians are allowed to declare independence from russians but russians are not allowed to declare independence from them.
nationalist autonomy for all, thats liberty and freedom but the usa is surpressing it.
Energie, natural gas and petrol is only one sector but i think Russia is also the largest exporter of fertilizer and lots of weath....
The metal market what russia supplies the world with:
Palladium 40%, Car exhaust (catalytic converter) ...
Platinum 2nd largest supplier, Car exhaust(Diesel) ...
Vanadium 2nd largest supplier, stronger Steel ...
Nickel 3rd largest supplier, all batteries, stainless steel.... (new all time high price)
Aluminium 2nd largest supplier, ....... (new all time high price)
Cobalt 2nd largest producer, batteries
Titanium 13% of global supply (41% of all german manufacture), airspace, golf clubs, engines
Gold 2nd biggest supplier
I think the issue with metals can quietly wait in the corner when the issue of heat, electricity, gasoline and food (primarily wheat and sunflower oil) is on the agenda. The metal market what russia supplies the world with:
Palladium 40%, Car exhaust (catalytic converter) ...
Platinum 2nd largest supplier, Car exhaust(Diesel) ...
Vanadium 2nd largest supplier, stronger Steel ...
Nickel 3rd largest supplier, all batteries, stainless steel.... (new all time high price)
Aluminium 2nd largest supplier, ....... (new all time high price)
Cobalt 2nd largest producer, batteries
Titanium 13% of global supply (41% of all german manufacture), airspace, golf clubs, engines
Gold 2nd biggest supplier
Energie, natural gas and petrol is only one sector but i think Russia is also the largest exporter of fertilizer and lots of weath....
The metal market what russia supplies the world with:
Palladium 40%, Car exhaust (catalytic converter) ...
Platinum 2nd largest supplier, Car exhaust(Diesel) ...
Vanadium 2nd largest supplier, stronger Steel ...
Nickel 3rd largest supplier, all batteries, stainless steel.... (new all time high price)
Aluminium 2nd largest supplier, ....... (new all time high price)
Cobalt 2nd largest producer, batteries
Titanium 13% of global supply (41% of all german manufacture), airspace, golf clubs, engines
Gold 2nd biggest supplier
Politician boycott and sanction not the people (well some vaccinated zombies to), the people have no say in the matter
The metal market what russia supplies the world with:
Palladium 40%, Car exhaust (catalytic converter) ...
Platinum 2nd largest supplier, Car exhaust(Diesel) ...
Vanadium 2nd largest supplier, stronger Steel ...
Nickel 3rd largest supplier, all batteries, stainless steel.... (new all time high price)
Aluminium 2nd largest supplier, ....... (new all time high price)
Cobalt 2nd largest producer, batteries
Titanium 13% of global supply (41% of all german manufacture), airspace, golf clubs, engines
Gold 2nd biggest supplier
Politician boycott and sanction not the people (well some vaccinated zombies to), the people have no say in the matter
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