Suggestion: Merit Phase 2 - Drain the Swamp (@theymos) - page 2.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on April 26, 2018, 05:49:10 AM

I understood that the Rothschilds owns the Bank of England, The federal Reserve, the Bank of Japan, and many others

It is a matter of record that NM Rothschild isn't even a member bank of the Federal Reserve, let alone owns it. The Bank of England myth stems from a fake quote "The man who controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply.". Nathan Rothschild never said it and the quote only dates back to 1939. This isn't against you but I'm just trying to point out that blindly repeating these lies as facts only goes to perpetuate them. These lies were created for antisemitic reasons and that is the reason I always feel compelled to challenge them when I see them.

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I'm not anti any religion. I'm anti the behaviour of some members - Look what Soros did to the Jews.
for example. I understood that the Rothschilds owns the Bank of England, The federal Reserve, the Bank of Japan, and many others - that would give them a fair bit of influence and control. However, I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll probably start one in serious discussion about it.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on April 26, 2018, 05:29:32 AM

I'm in agreement with this. One of the reasons I'm keen to see the reputation of the forum restored, is to enable it to become influential in discussions about the new government currencies that will emerge soon. The computer failure at TSB looks to be the third phase in the path to replacing the current debt laden fiat currencies controlled by the Rothschilds.

While the banks have a lot to answer for and that's ultimately the reason we're here, Bitcoin came out of the rubble of the 2008 financial crisis. The Rothschilds don't control anything. That's an antisemitic trope dating back over 200 years that unfortunately many non-racists repeat without understanding its significance or history.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-rothschild-libel-why-has-it-taken-200-years-for-an-anti-semitic-slur-that-emerged-from-the-10216101.html

https://www.thejc.com/news/news-features/the-rothschilds-the-banks-and-antisemitism-the-truth-and-the-myths-1.450112

https://www.timesofisrael.com/nearly-200-years-of-anti-semitic-conspiracies-continue-to-cloud-rothschilds/

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Quote from: TheQuin on April 26, 2018, 05:15:14 AM

The Twitter and Facebook spam doesn't really bother me as it is easy just to put the altcoin bounties board on ignore and the problem is solved. Where the spam comes from is the signature campaigns where the participants are paid in the ICO tokens. It doesn't cost the promoters anything to make the tokens so they don't care about paying them to hundreds of alt accounts for pure spam. That's what is polluting the rest of the forum. In the auction for banner advertising space on the forum the restriction "No ICOs, banks, funds, or anything else that a person can be said to "invest" in; I may very rarely make exceptions if you convince me that you are ultra legit, but don't count on it.". I'm not sure exactly why that restriction has been added the reputation of the forum could well be harmed by being seen to promote scams. I think that reputational damage extends to scams being promoted in signatures.

I'm in agreement with this. One of the reasons I'm keen to see the reputation of the forum restored, is to enable it to become influential in discussions about the new government currencies that will emerge soon. The computer failure at TSB looks to be the third phase in the path to replacing the current debt laden fiat currencies controlled by the Rothschilds.

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Quote from: LoyceV on April 26, 2018, 04:36:44 AM

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Maybe we should just ban all ICOs from being promoted on the forum and trash the altcoin bounties board instead.

I'd love to see that happen! Ban all facebook and twitter spam from the forum.
I'd love to see spam-free ICOs and bounty threads, but that's not possible if you're competing with hundreds of spam threads. A start could be selling advertising space in 5 sticky threads on those boards, for self-moderated spam-free campaigns. But that's something for another thread.

The Twitter and Facebook spam doesn't really bother me as it is easy just to put the altcoin bounties board on ignore and the problem is solved. Where the spam comes from is the signature campaigns where the participants are paid in the ICO tokens. It doesn't cost the promoters anything to make the tokens so they don't care about paying them to hundreds of alt accounts for pure spam. That's what is polluting the rest of the forum. In the auction for banner advertising space on the forum the restriction "No ICOs, banks, funds, or anything else that a person can be said to "invest" in; I may very rarely make exceptions if you convince me that you are ultra legit, but don't count on it.". I'm not sure exactly why that restriction has been added the reputation of the forum could well be harmed by being seen to promote scams. I think that reputational damage extends to scams being promoted in signatures.

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Quote from: TheQuin on April 26, 2018, 02:26:03 AM

I still think an ongoing merit requirement to earn the right to wear a signature is a good idea although it doesn't look like this proposal is going anywhere.

I've noticed many suggestions to improve the forum end up being more restrictions for many users, and usually it's something that doesn't harm the person who suggested it.
I hate spammers, but I don't think creating more restrictions is the right way to solve it. I like the simplicity in the current merit system.

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Maybe we should just ban all ICOs from being promoted on the forum and trash the altcoin bounties board instead.

I'd love to see that happen! Ban all facebook and twitter spam from the forum.
I'd love to see spam-free ICOs and bounty threads, but that's not possible if you're competing with hundreds of spam threads. A start could be selling advertising space in 5 sticky threads on those boards, for self-moderated spam-free campaigns. But that's something for another thread.

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Quote from: 20_JeRRy_20 on April 26, 2018, 02:10:04 AM

Yes, this Merit and so it is not clear how to get it,I have no idea what to write this what that man gave me his merit,and most importantly why?....and if you accept even more stringent conditions,it is definitely full will be kaput. According to my rules and so hard to get a little Merita you need a day to spend to put together a really useful guide, it is useless to help someone in a thread, or write interesting news for this Merita nobody will.

Yes,I can understand the problem.But there is no other alternative to earn merit except quality post. (I USED TO GET THIS ANSWER ALWAYS WHEN,I asked same question.)

Quality post does not mean that you have to post something unique information,

What, I learned about the quality post:

1.Help other,solve the problem of others,
2.Answer to the question with having some research, not just one liner answer,
3.Do not use this forum only for bounty campaign,
4.Do not copy and paste,
5.Good English with no grammatical error,(if you have problem ,then use "Grammarly: Free Writing Assistant")

There are many threads which are created by REAL HERO member,where you can inform about ur post and your post can be checked by the thread creator.if your post quality is good,then you will get the merit.
here is one of that kind of link created by_ actmyname {Copper Member} Legendary (you can get 14 merits)
-https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3046992.0

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on April 26, 2018, 02:17:12 AM

Correction: It should be a rare privilege for members who contribute.

It is a privilege, but unfortunately, one that is heavily abused. That's just semantics, we're arguing the same thing. I still think an ongoing merit requirement to earn the right to wear a signature is a good idea although it doesn't look like this proposal is going anywhere. Maybe we should just ban all ICOs from being promoted on the forum and trash the altcoin bounties board instead.

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Quote from: 20_JeRRy_20 on April 26, 2018, 02:10:04 AM

I have no idea what to write

Well, is not writing anything an option for you? Is confining your posts to the local boards an option? Your writing is so garbled that you absolutely need to choose one of those two options.

Quote from: TheQuin on April 25, 2018, 08:55:08 AM

It is a rare privilege that this forum allows members to monetise their signatures.

Correction: It should be a rare privilege for members who contribute. Currently there are a horde of altcoin bounty participants making several sections of bitcointalk nothing but a collection of mega spam threads with their nonsense posts and all the alt accounts they have participating in the bounties. What really should happen is the banning of bounties altogether (but retaining campaigns that use the SMAS blacklist, pay in bitcoin, and incorporate merit into applicant selection).

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Yes, this Merit and so it is not clear how to get it,I have no idea what to write this what that man gave me his merit,and most importantly why?....and if you accept even more stringent conditions,it is definitely full will be kaput. According to my rules and so hard to get a little Merita you need a day to spend to put together a really useful guide, it is useless to help someone in a thread, or write interesting news for this Merita nobody will.

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Then remove your signature if it's really doesn't matter, you think you are better then others? Maybe I'm also willing to get some small income for posting, as I'm sure you do.

If you were doing that then you would be posting regularly. How does making the signature a privilage to be earned, not a right have anything to do with "you think you are better then others?".

It is a rare privilege that this forum allows members to monetise their signatures. That comes in return for providing content to the forum. Gaining merit is a sign that other members appreciate that content, so it seems logical that it would be a good way to gauge if someone has earned that privilege.

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Then remove your signature if it's really doesn't matter, you think you are better then others? Maybe I'm also willing to get some small income for posting, as I'm sure you do.

Why would he remove his signature if he deserves it? It looks like you misunderstood him. We don't want to stop you from earning a little amount money from signature campaings, but we want to make forum less bloated. If you post rarely then what's the problem with making high quality posts and thus earning merits for helpful posts?

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I'm posting rarely, and let's assume I want too put signature for any reason, I will be unable to do it? Nobody gives me these merit points, so what about that?

Would it really matter if you couldn't have a signature? The whole point is to make the signature a privialage to be earned, not a right.

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Quote from: kewlc3s on April 19, 2018, 09:20:56 AM

Really? Never heard of it..
But definitely not every manager using that. Just experienced bounty managers.
There are a lot of companies that try to manage bounties by themselves, so still my example could become reality.

Even the ones that manage campaigns themselves and don't use automation are going to check up on the participants to make sure they are not cheating. To be honest, your example is a bit far-fetched.

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Quote from: TheQuin on April 19, 2018, 08:56:37 AM

Quote from: kewlc3s on April 19, 2018, 08:54:00 AM

Not sure that hiding signature is good idea. Moreover not all bounty managers check signature campaign weekly.
For example: campaign is 10 weeks, check after 10 weeks.
During 1 week - signature is removed. And during week 10 received 1 merit and signature is back..
So, participant will be payed for almost nothing.. No really fair.
From other side it will motivate Legendary members to earn merits as well.

But, I would be against this method.

The campaigns use bots that monitor if the participants wear the signature at all times. If they don't do then the spammers cheat and enrol in many campaigns at the same time.

Really? Never heard of it..
But definitely not every manager using that. Just experienced bounty managers.
There are a lot of companies that try to manage bounties by themselves, so still my example could become reality.

But like I told before, I see some positive things in that as well Wink

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Quote from: kewlc3s on April 19, 2018, 08:54:00 AM

Not sure that hiding signature is good idea. Moreover not all bounty managers check signature campaign weekly.
For example: campaign is 10 weeks, check after 10 weeks.
During 1 week - signature is removed. And during week 10 received 1 merit and signature is back..
So, participant will be payed for almost nothing.. No really fair.
From other side it will motivate Legendary members to earn merits as well.

But, I would be against this method.

The campaigns use bots that monitor if the participants wear the signature at all times. If they don't do then the spammers cheat and enrol in many campaigns at the same time.

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Not sure that hiding signature is good idea. Moreover not all bounty managers check signature campaign weekly.
For example: campaign is 10 weeks, check after 10 weeks.
During 1 week - signature is removed. And during week 10 received 1 merit and signature is back..
So, participant will be payed for almost nothing.. No really fair.
From other side it will motivate Legendary members to earn merits as well.

But, I would be against this method.

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Quote from: hoangvuthach on April 10, 2018, 08:17:43 AM

Well I'm a person who has not earned a merit for nearly a year and 6 months <...>

The Merit system was actually introduced on the 24th of January of the present year, so really that is the baseline to measure how much merit has been gained by a forum user (either from initial airdrop or gained since kick-off).

Therefore, really you should be counting the two months and a half and not a year and a half (although arguably the period of time previous to the merit kick-off contributed to the initial merit airdrop through rank achievement).

Fun fact: theymos was the first to award a user with merit (1 sMerit awarded to AdolfinWolf in this post) : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28853325

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Quote from: LeakBarak on April 10, 2018, 08:07:43 AM

I have seen many beginner tried to do the best, but they not get any merit, so they will not participate at this forum anymore.

A lack of merit does not hamper their ability to participate in the forum whatsoever - it only hampers their ability to be paid for their signature space. If they are leaving for the sole reason that they are not receiving merit, then their only reason for being here was to farm bounties. The merit system is preventing that, and therefore doing what it was designed to do.

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Well I'm a person who has not earned a merit for nearly a year and 6 months, but I agree with you ... why not limit posts instead of signing signatures if applicable as you say, The Junk articles will be more

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