Suggestion: Merit Phase 2 - Drain the Swamp (@theymos) - page 8.

tokeweed

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Quote from: TheQuin on March 14, 2018, 04:35:08 AM

Amend the forum to hide signatures of any account that hasn't earned at least 1 Merit in the last 2 months.

This will bar them from getting paid to post and not have any negative impact on anyone making even the tiniest contribution to the forum. Nobody loses their rank and even if someone is away from the forum for a while they can quickly get their signature back.

Hah! Easy for you to say... What about cute trolls like me that people seldom give merits to? I sure am a narcissistic assh*le in the forum at times, but I'm far from being a spammer.

And I'm not here to please anybody for merits. F*ck that.

One way to make this forum better is to be extra stict for a year or so...

Mpamaegbu

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Quote from: Jet Cash on March 14, 2018, 05:53:42 AM

It sounds like a good idea on the face of it, but I suspect that the bad managers will arrange for their posters to receive merit to bypass the restriction.

Ouch! This is a heavy allegation. You make it sound like the campaign managers are accomplices in this spamming the forum struggles to eradicate.

Quote from: TheQuin on March 14, 2018, 09:29:56 AM

The problem is that in a lot of the altcoin/ico bounties the managers don't give a shit and just want to get as many page impressions as possible regardless.

Managers here express more laxity than their colleagues at the btc paying campaigns. I don't think they deliberately want to not be thorough but maybe the crave to keep the scarcely got jobs make them a bit relaxed with strictness to adherence to posting rules.

Quote from: Vod on March 14, 2018, 11:06:48 AM

If Theymos implements rules, he then needs to enforce them. :/

We need more moderators!

Quote from: Cobalt9317 on March 14, 2018, 11:20:01 AM

Then hire more eligible moderators.
If it would help the forum certain laws/rules need to be brought in stage.

I think the forums have enough moderators. They only need to step up their game and be top notch getting defaulters to face the wrath of the forum. The existing laws need to start getting enforced.

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on March 14, 2018, 06:14:03 AM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on March 14, 2018, 06:07:01 AM

Something like users must earn 5 merits a months for their account to display a signature if being done by theymos or managers can make a user earn 1 merit per week to stay in a campaign.

I strongly disagree with this.Even though the merit system is doing well,I don't think every quality poster is awarded merits.My point being,a participant could be a great quality poster but due to whatever reasons his unmerited posts shouldn't stop him from participating in campaigns.

Well done Joel. Your position can not be faulted.

ericunc95

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I do not truly like the idea of managers making accounts have a certain amount of merit before they can participate or that they have to earn a certain amount a week because then you are leaving your participation up to if someone else feels that you have put out a quality post. I also agree that there needs to be something in place to limit any type of account farming because that is not fair to everyone else and people get tired of reading a lot of the posts. I wish the merit stuff would have started a week later because then i could have gotten my member status. LoL. I will get there eventually. Have not had a big chance to post much lately as I have had other things outside of crypto consuming me.

Bottom line for me...anything we can do to limit spam and make the forum better, I am for...just dont like leaving my participation in a bounty or something up to someone else and if they find my post is something valuable and worth merit.

Cobalt9317

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Quote from: Vod on March 14, 2018, 11:06:48 AM

If Theymos implements rules, he then needs to enforce them. :/

We need more moderators!

Then hire more eligible moderators.
If it would help the forum certain laws/rules need to be brought in stage.

Vod

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Quote from: TMAN on March 14, 2018, 10:37:50 AM

if Theymos implemented some rules to becoming a manager, then set some standards around minimum merits.. bosh spam goes away

If Theymos implements rules, he then needs to enforce them. :/

We need more moderators!

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Quote from: InvoKing on March 14, 2018, 10:50:00 AM

Mate, you have good ideas and I like your participation in the forums but the "best" example of the "partial" inefficiency of your idea is Deeponion...
I will let you enjoy hurting your eyes with ridiculous smerit given to newbies to get 10 smerit at any cost.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1038794

I would say, I support your idea but further actions are required...

Thanks. I know it is easy to get frustrated with Merit abuse, just look at this fella https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32299023 and it seems that DT are too busy arguing amongst themselves to bother tagging all the cases that have been found.

But... It is only a temporary situation, the sMerit will run out. That's why I believe putting in a system like this that requires an ongoing merit threshold or your signature is hidden until you get it will be more effective than trying to catch them all in the long run.

De4ted

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Quote from: TheQuin on March 14, 2018, 09:48:18 AM

Quote from: De4ted on March 14, 2018, 09:45:24 AM

As I read some rules of the forum, I see this merit system has a big impact on reducing spam, but im not agree with this suggestion because I think it is easy for them to get 1 merit especially those account has sMerit stock on them so they can trade some merit points to other people that you call shitposters, and the second way is to create new account and then give 2 merit and get back the 1 merit, I assume those spammers and farmers not only have 1 high rank accounts, the effect of the system you are proposing will cause create more dummy account and they can level up their dummys until member rank. Sorry for my bad english.

Your English is fine but you should have read the thread as I've already answered this. That is why it is an ongoing requirement, they will soon run out of Merit to pass around.

Sorry for that im using CP at the moment, back to the topic your idea will take a long time to eliminate those shit people maybe admins will came up with a better idea.
In my own real opinion the only problem here is that sMerit this system just cause unfair to other members here in your forum, I think the best way for many arguments about the system is to shut down the sMerit system (not the merit system) and assign those trusted high ranks in merit distribution. So that only the officials can send meriy to everyone, I think 1 official in every section excluding local section they can manage the distribution easily and those shit peoples can never increase their ranks unless they start learning and contribute in the community fairly.

athanz88

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Quote from: TMAN on March 14, 2018, 10:37:50 AM

Quote from: athanz88 on March 14, 2018, 09:22:18 AM

Is there any chance for all managers to gather and discuss a standard of merit requirement for the campaign they handle? In my opinion this is an interesting to do because managers can be served as spammer controller and this would be a great addition to the SMAS.

^^^^

if Theymos implemented some rules to becoming a manager, then set some standards around minimum merits.. bosh spam goes away

Yup, i would love to see it and called it as The Managers (group of super managers like The Avengers) while Theymos is Nick Fury, or maybe Managers League would do too, haha. What i want to say is the sam as TMAN, since everybody can be a manager (especially the famous and skilled one) i guess it is a good thing if there are some rules to be a manager .

InvoKing

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Mate, you have good ideas and I like your participation in the forums but the "best" example of the "partial" inefficiency of your idea is Deeponion...
I will let you enjoy hurting your eyes with ridiculous smerit given to newbies to get 10 smerit at any cost.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1038794

I would say, I support your idea but further actions are required...

TMAN

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Quote from: athanz88 on March 14, 2018, 09:22:18 AM

Is there any chance for all managers to gather and discuss a standard of merit requirement for the campaign they handle? In my opinion this is an interesting to do because managers can be served as spammer controller and this would be a great addition to the SMAS.

^^^^

if Theymos implemented some rules to becoming a manager, then set some standards around minimum merits.. bosh spam goes away

Alone055

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I actually liked the idea, but that, in my opinion, won't change a lot of things. We (or you, as you have started this) are talking about the spammers that have already surpassed the levels before the Merit system was implemented, and as we all know that every account have received Merits according to their rank at the initial Merit distribution, and thus they got half of that amount as sMerits to send to others. So if a person (a spammer, more particularly) had more than 1 accounts in higher ranks, they all must have received Merits as well, which they would probably use to Merit their own accounts in order to bypass this change as well.

Sending only 1 Merit to your own alt won't really make you suspicious, but receiving just 1 Merit would surely make you safe from the change that we are discussing right now. So if the spammers start exchanging 1 Merit between their accounts, they will all be able to tackle this change too.
So maybe something quite more effective should be done. Something that should not let the spammers skip it at any cost.

TheQuin

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 14, 2018, 09:53:47 AM

I was thinking about something similar and I tend to agree with your suggestion.
And I more concerned about Jr. Members than high ranked users. Now many bounties are still accepting Jr. Members, despite that they can't wear clickable signatures. So, they don't even need to get Merit if they want to earn from bounty campaigns by shitposting. Offcourse, they will earn less than high ranked users, but it doesn't really matter. Maybe they will never earn any single Merit, but they don't care much about it as long as they earning money on bitcointalk. Additional to what you said,

Thanks, yes that is what is concerning me about the Jr. Members. If they earn 1/10th as much they'll just make 10x as many accounts.

Quote from: LTU_btc on March 14, 2018, 09:53:47 AM

I think that even basic signatures should be disabled if user haven't earned any Merits.

That is exactly what I envisaged. No merit in the last 60 days = signature hidden. So nobody would have a signature until receiving their first merit.

LTU_btc

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I was thinking about something similar and I tend to agree with your suggestion.
And I more concerned about Jr. Members than high ranked users. Now many bounties are still accepting Jr. Members, despite that they can't wear clickable signatures. So, they don't even need to get Merit if they want to earn from bounty campaigns by shitposting. Offcourse, they will earn less than high ranked users, but it doesn't really matter. Maybe they will never earn any single Merit, but they don't care much about it as long as they earning money on bitcointalk. Additional to what you said, I think that even basic signatures should be disabled if user haven't earned any Merits.

99maxout

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on March 14, 2018, 08:18:16 AM

Quote from: TheQuin on March 14, 2018, 04:35:08 AM

So to my suggestion:

Amend the forum to hide signatures of any account that hasn't earned at least 1 Merit in the last 2 months.

This will bar them from getting paid to post and not have any negative impact on anyone making even the tiniest contribution to the forum. Nobody loses their rank and even if someone is away from the forum for a while they can quickly get their signature back.

I like your idea of hiding the signatures of the signature campaign participants. This will force them to make a high quality posts in order for the signatures to be seen. Although I see that mostly will abuse it by just giving their alt one merit and they will be paid but it can be solved because you can track the merits of a certain user.

Quote from: mattcode on March 14, 2018, 06:01:04 AM

Quote from: theymos on January 24, 2018, 06:00:11 PM

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

Maybe it's time for demerits to be implemented. I think that if a demerit subtracted merit from the sender too, or cost twice as much sMerit it would minimize abuse.

To be honest, I don't like the word demerit. Demerit if added in this forum will be abuse by many users. Lets say, I am angry with user X and lets say I will demerit him 5 times or 10 times not because he is a shitposter but because I am angry with him. This can happen with anybody that is why I don't like demerit in the forum. Just merit Wink

In my opinion, maybe all of the bounty campaigns must have a minimum merit requirement and all of the campaign manager must put a minimum merit of maybe 3-5 to Jr member, 15-20 to Member, 105-110 to Full member and so on and so forth. In this way, it will be harder for shitposters to join in the signature campaign because they don't have enough merits to join.

I like that no demerits, im really glad i found this thread, coz im wondering how can i earn merits?

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Quote from: De4ted on March 14, 2018, 09:45:24 AM

As I read some rules of the forum, I see this merit system has a big impact on reducing spam, but im not agree with this suggestion because I think it is easy for them to get 1 merit especially those account has sMerit stock on them so they can trade some merit points to other people that you call shitposters, and the second way is to create new account and then give 2 merit and get back the 1 merit, I assume those spammers and farmers not only have 1 high rank accounts, the effect of the system you are proposing will cause create more dummy account and they can level up their dummys until member rank. Sorry for my bad english.

Your English is fine but you should have read the thread as I've already answered this. That is why it is an ongoing requirement, they will soon run out of Merit to pass around.

De4ted

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As I read some rules of the forum, I see this merit system has a big impact on reducing spam, but im not agree with this suggestion because I think it is easy for them to get 1 merit especially those account has sMerit stock on them so they can trade some merit points to other people that you call shitposters, and the second way is to create new account and then give 2 merit and get back the 1 merit, I assume those spammers and farmers not only have 1 high rank accounts, the effect of the system you are proposing will cause create more dummy account and they can level up their dummys until member rank. Sorry for my bad english.

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Quote from: SaltySpitoon on March 14, 2018, 09:15:29 AM

There are a lot of cases where innocent people would be penalized under the proposed system. People who don't post that often, those who go on a break from the forum, people who post in sections where merit sources are still thin, etc would all have a much higher risk of unfairly having their signatures removed. The last thing I'd like to see is decent occasional posters begging for merit or posting when they don't want to just so they can keep their signature.

I do understand your point. I did try and make the requirement as minimal as possible for this reason. One Merit in the last two months doesn't really require being that active. Also, it is only tempory as the signature is only hidden until they do get a merit point.

Quote from: SaltySpitoon on March 14, 2018, 09:15:29 AM

I think the better option is to just let the account farmers continue to get frustrated, and the moderators will find them eventually.

Let's hope so.

Quote from: athanz88 on March 14, 2018, 09:22:18 AM

Is there any chance for all managers to gather and discuss a standard of merit requirement for the campaign they handle? In my opinion this is an interesting to do because managers can be served as spammer controller and this would be a great addition to the SMAS.

The problem is that in a lot of the altcoin/ico bounties the managers don't give a shit and just want to get as many page impressions as possible regardless.

athanz88

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Is there any chance for all managers to gather and discuss a standard of merit requirement for the campaign they handle? In my opinion this is an interesting to do because managers can be served as spammer controller and this would be a great addition to the SMAS.

SaltySpitoon

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Welcome to the SaltySpitoon, how Tough are ya?

There are a lot of cases where innocent people would be penalized under the proposed system. People who don't post that often, those who go on a break from the forum, people who post in sections where merit sources are still thin, etc would all have a much higher risk of unfairly having their signatures removed. The last thing I'd like to see is decent occasional posters begging for merit or posting when they don't want to just so they can keep their signature.

I think the better option is to just let the account farmers continue to get frustrated, and the moderators will find them eventually.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on March 14, 2018, 08:18:16 AM

-snip-
Although I see that mostly will abuse it by just giving their alt one merit and they will be paid but it can be solved because you can track the merits of a certain user.

We should note that it might cause a dispute whether giving +1 merit for 'this' or 'that' post is abusive or not.
But this is not a big problem as we can discuss it openly.

Giving money to those shitposters is much more problematic.

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