[Suggestion]Solving the spam problem with a "Report Score" for bad reports.

pooya87

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i loved this idea.
a cool feature to implement on top of this would be after having such "score" the forum should allow you to set a condition in your "ignore list" so that you can ignore users that have a "score" that is lower than a threshold. that way you can automatically ignore a large number of spammers without ignoring them individually!

Code:

report_score= (((activity*1,2)+(airdrop_merit*1,1)+(received_merit*10)+(post_count*0,5))/bad_reports);

Code:

report_score= (((1442*1,2)+(1000*1,1)+(217*10)+(9341*0,5))/1)= 9670

Lafu

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Maybe we can do more with the Merit system to combat spam, which has shown in the past that it brings something (example for Rank up 1 Merit).

  1: Possible for Rank up 2 or 5 merits (For Newbies)

  2: Users can only Quote posts from other users with 1 Merit
   - that would avoid all bot quote pyramids made by Newbies.
   - And users or bots that post only posts from the thread creator in the middle of the thread in the form of a quote would also be omitted.

  3: If a User have the 1 Merit for Quote other Posts and he abuse it (2-5 Quoted Posts get deleted) maybe he get a 7 Day Ban ,
   or the 1 Merit is subtracted from this User so that he can not continue Quote others.

  4: Users who abuse the Merit System for that , that they can quote , get's Banned too.

It's just an idea !

stompix

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Blackjack.fun

Quote from: LoyceV on November 02, 2018, 07:42:11 AM

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on November 02, 2018, 05:07:57 AM

Here is the formula for calculating your report score :

Code:

report_score= (((activity*1,5)+(airdrop_merit*2)+(received_merit*10)+(post_count*0,5))/bad_reports);

Let's see mine: ((1288*1.5+1000*2)+2185*10+6182*0.5)/8=3609

You spammer Grin

I'm at 7424, as it seems according to bpip I only have 1 post deleted.
Of course, if I start spamming by 10 replies deleted I will go way below even if you have 200 but still....

I think we should make this easier, a progressive auto-suspend for each deleted reply, starting with 1h and expiring in x days.
It starts with 1h, then 2,4,8...and whatever as I don't think we'll see complicated things like this implemented while far simpler things are still nowhere near.

LE
Iasenko updated the formula so my moment of glory was quite shortlived Cry

TheBeardedBaby

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Quote from: LoyceV on November 02, 2018, 07:42:11 AM

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on November 02, 2018, 05:07:57 AM

Here is the formula for calculating your report score :

Code:

report_score= (((activity*1,5)+(airdrop_merit*2)+(received_merit*10)+(post_count*0,5))/bad_reports);

Let's see mine: ((1288*1.5+1000*2)+2185*10+6182*0.5)/8=3609

The number of deleted posts comes from BPIP, I'm not sure how long Vod has been registering those:

Code:

7 replies deleted by moderators
1 topics removed

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on November 02, 2018, 05:07:57 AM

Everything below 10 should be considered as a not so good score and an indicator for a bad posting behavior.

Let's see what happens if I turn into a spammer and my next 2000 posts are deleted by Mods: ((1288*1.5+1000*2)+2185*10+6182*0.5)/2008=14

I think you're too soft on me Cheesy

You are exception, you have received over 1000 merit which makes everything huge.
BTW I changed the formula in the OP earlier today try with the new values Wink

NOTE > You have a small mistake your received merit are 1185 (the actual received merit)
your result should be :

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Enter activity: 1288
Enter airdroped merit: 1000
Enter received merit: 1185
Enter post count: 6182
Enter bad_reports: 8
Your bad report score is :1482.00

EDIT: Something weird is going on. I have edited the OP twice now but seems the lats edits were not resisted.
First I thought that I did't post the updates as I'm editing the text in external program, I wrote everything again and the OP is still the same.. weird...

Last EDIT> Now everything is corrected. Probably I messed up something ... it's Friday ...

LoyceV

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on November 02, 2018, 05:07:57 AM

Here is the formula for calculating your report score :

Code:

report_score= (((activity*1,5)+(airdrop_merit*2)+(received_merit*10)+(post_count*0,5))/bad_reports);

Let's see mine: ((1288*1.5+1000*2)+2185*10+6182*0.5)/8=3609

The number of deleted posts comes from BPIP, I'm not sure how long Vod has been registering those:

Code:

7 replies deleted by moderators
1 topics removed

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on November 02, 2018, 05:07:57 AM

Everything below 10 should be considered as a not so good score and an indicator for a bad posting behavior.

Let's see what happens if I turn into a spammer and my next 2000 posts are deleted by Mods: ((1288*1.5+1000*2)+2185*10+6182*0.5)/2008=14

I think you're too soft on me Cheesy

TheBeardedBaby

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₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(

Quote from: stompix on November 02, 2018, 05:59:40 AM

Yeah, he has been longer on this forum but if a Legendary account gets bought he will start with some kind of immunity score based on something he has no real connection with and unlike a newbie he will pretty much be safe from this report score while a newbie will get in trouble pretty fast, and there are a lot of newbies out there who have been trying quite hard in the last period but they are still probably /100 away from that score.

Legendary accounts should not be safe from this just because they have been longer around the forum.
A plagiarist is a plagiarist even if he is a newbie or a legendary, he gets the same treatment and you know that pretty well since you've reported a few if I'm not mistaken, and I don't see why labeling a spammer should be different just because he was for a long time around.

I've said it before but a score based on the last 3/6 months if not 30 days of activity would be far better.

I updated the old part of OP but forgot to paste it in the forum Cheesy

( as I'm editing it external program), that's why there are so misunderstandings, ~~I'm gonna re-write everything again.~~ Done.

Edited> I have changed the formula a bit so the measures like airdropped merit and activity will have less impact on the total score.

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I've said it before but a score based on the last 3/6 months if not 30 days of activity would be far better.

I like this suggestion, but we need more accurate data then and now all I have is the Vod's BPIP modlog history.

stompix

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Yeah, he has been longer on this forum but if a Legendary account gets bought he will start with some kind of immunity score based on something he has no real connection with and unlike a newbie he will pretty much be safe from this report score while a newbie will get in trouble pretty fast, and there are a lot of newbies out there who have been trying quite hard in the last period but they are still probably /100 away from that score.

Legendary accounts should not be safe from this just because they have been longer around the forum.
A plagiarist is a plagiarist even if he is a newbie or a legendary, he gets the same treatment and you know that pretty well since you've reported a few if I'm not mistaken, and I don't see why labeling a spammer should be different just because he was for a long time around.

I've said it before but a score based on the last 3/6 months if not 30 days of activity would be far better.

TheBeardedBaby

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Merit: 3148

₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(

Quote from: stompix on November 02, 2018, 05:22:13 AM

Maybe I'm wrong but with this, as I'm halfway down my coffee cup but, a useless legendary with 3 merits let's say would have an instant advantage over a newbie who earns 200 Merits, just from the Merit count. Add 2030 activity and 28893 posts, again I'm not talking about anybody special... Grin

and this guy would have an enormous score.

Just that number of posts would offset about 1000 Merits....
Guess I'll give it a try later but I'm pretty sure I'm going to get some pretty interesting results with some persons I'm thinking about right now.

LE
Since I don't want to post in both topics again:

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on November 02, 2018, 05:03:31 AM

Better to have an indicator of deleted posts per account.
I suggested some time ago a report score, I have modified it a bit more to fit the needs. It's easy to manipulate the a thread, but for profiles such score can be far more accurate.

Unfortunately, Bpib takes only into account posts that were deleted by mods, not posts that got trashed along the entire topic, so unless we can count that also in a way it wouldn't show the entire picture.

Yeah but this Legendary, you are talking about has been longer on the forum so this is reflected in the score as the more activity and airdropped merit.
I can probably remove the airdropped merit as the activity should be enough to support the "early adopters" or can have a smaller impact something like airdropped_merit/10 for example.

All those posts removed with the trashed threads are a issue but I think the forum does not keep track on them so it is almost impossible to be counted. This is why I wrote in the OP that this is only for those of your posts reported to the mods and deleted.

stompix

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Activity: 2912

Merit: 6403

Blackjack.fun

Maybe I'm wrong but with this, as I'm halfway down my coffee cup but, a useless legendary with 3 merits let's say would have an instant advantage over a newbie who earns 200 Merits, just from the Merit count. Add 2030 activity and 28893 posts, again I'm not talking about anybody special... Grin

and this guy would have an enormous score.

Just that number of posts would offset about 1000 Merits....
Guess I'll give it a try later but I'm pretty sure I'm going to get some pretty interesting results with some persons I'm thinking about right now.

LE
Since I don't want to post in both topics again:

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on November 02, 2018, 05:03:31 AM

Better to have an indicator of deleted posts per account.
I suggested some time ago a report score, I have modified it a bit more to fit the needs. It's easy to manipulate the a thread, but for profiles such score can be far more accurate.

Unfortunately, Bpib takes only into account posts that were deleted by mods, not posts that got trashed along the entire topic, so unless we can count that also in a way it wouldn't show the entire picture.

TheBeardedBaby

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Activity: 2212

Merit: 3148

₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(

I've updated OP and changed the concept a bit.

Here is the formula for calculating your report score :

Code:

report_score= (((activity*1,5)+(airdrop_merit*2)+(received_merit*10)+(post_count*0,5))/bad_reports);

Everything below 10 should be considered as a not so good score and an indicator for a bad posting behavior.
Everyone is free to test it and I would like to hear your opinion.

stompix

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Blackjack.fun

Quote from: suchmoon on July 07, 2018, 04:40:26 PM

Quote from: stompix on July 07, 2018, 06:14:24 AM

Maybe with a maximum punishment of a 1-day ban for rank under Member.

Even 6-hour or 12-hour bans could be used for some mild offenses, e.g. if someone goes on a drunk posting binge and needs some time to sober up.

Don't know about that...
If it weren't for posting under the influence, none of us would be HODLers, we would be just some pathetic holders. Cool

suchmoon

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Quote from: stompix on July 07, 2018, 06:14:24 AM

Maybe with a maximum punishment of a 1-day ban for rank under Member.

Even 6-hour or 12-hour bans could be used for some mild offenses, e.g. if someone goes on a drunk posting binge and needs some time to sober up.

Overall I like the OP's idea but I have a bad feeling that this could be horribly abused.

TheBeardedBaby

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₿uy / $ell ..oeleo ;(

I agree that there could be some weak spots in the system but I think we can find a workaround.
You can add another measures to get the score calculated, for example: if your merit/activity score for the past 3 activity cycles is higer you can get deduction of your overall negative Report rating with a certain percentage.
With other words if you have received merits for your 3last activity cycles, you get better rating.

@LoyceV different rules can have different "weight" which is normal like for plagiarism, even for the first time, you get the "heaviest" punishment as a permaban.
I'll try to come with a formula and examples how can be calculated such score.

stompix

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Blackjack.fun

Quote from: LoyceV on July 07, 2018, 05:10:24 AM

Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on July 05, 2018, 04:49:07 AM

If you have 3 negative points, the signatures are automatically turned off.
If you have 10 negative points you are automatically banned.

Say you hate me: I have 4927 posts. If you go read them all, chances are you can find 3 (or 10) bad ones. Or even better: more than 3 of my posts have been deleted by moderators already, in over 3 years on this forum.
Does that mean I deserve a ban? I don't think so, and I've never been banned.

If indeed this feature would be implemented I doubt it would take into account past activity.

More like the last 30 days:
Total posts made during this time / reported and deleted posts (out of those made in this period) = x
And depending on how much this x would be to trigger some special attention from the mods.
Maybe tweak it a bit adding in the equation merit earned in that period.

Quote from: LoyceV on July 07, 2018, 05:10:24 AM

Agreed Cheesy
But this shouldn't be automated

Maybe with a maximum punishment of a 1-day ban for rank under Member.
If the punishment is worse it will make some people hunt for the posts of a user they don't agree with and intentionally report his posts just to get him banned and will just lead to more work for the mods.
We've already seen a case of a pretty elaborate fake plagiarism report just to ban an account

TheQuin

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 07, 2018, 05:10:24 AM

Say you hate me: I have 4927 posts. If you go read them all, chances are you can find 3 (or 10) bad ones. Or even better: more than 3 of my posts have been deleted by moderators already, in over 3 years on this forum.
Does that mean I deserve a ban? I don't think so, and I've never been banned.

That's why I suggested above that the score should be proportional to the number of posts made. I accumulated a lot of deleted posts from replying to posts that were deleted as the moderators often clean up all resulting posts as well as the spam post. That was when I used to tell spammers off before I worked out what the report button was for.

Quote from: LoyceV on July 07, 2018, 05:10:24 AM

does Bitcointalk keep track of bad posts per person, say a hidden field in the profile only visible for Mods? If it doesn't, I think this should be implemented

I'd like to know that as well. If someone is getting a high proportion of their posts deleted then that's an indication the forum would be better off without them. If someone with 5000 posts has had 20 deleted it probably isn't an issue.

LoyceV

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on July 05, 2018, 04:49:07 AM

If you have 3 negative points, the signatures are automatically turned off.
If you have 10 negative points you are automatically banned.

Say you hate me: I have 4927 posts. If you go read them all, chances are you can find 3 (or 10) bad ones. Or even better: more than 3 of my posts have been deleted by moderators already, in over 3 years on this forum.
Does that mean I deserve a ban? I don't think so, and I've never been banned.

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For the every rule you can have a different weight like for plagiarism you get directly 3 points, and autoban for 7 days.

Plagiarism gets you a permanent ban instantly. There's no need to lower the punishment.

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For the every rule you can have a different weight like for plagiarism you get directly 3 points, and autoban for 7 days.
Also the pointing system can be Rank or post-count-dependent like for instance 3 bad reports for a Legendary with 10000 posts compared to 3 bad reports for a Newbie with 50 posts, need to have different Weight.

Agreed

But this shouldn't be automated. Question for the Mods: does Bitcointalk keep track of bad posts per person, say a hidden field in the profile only visible for Mods? If it doesn't, I think this should be implemented, so Mods can easily see who's a repeat offender, and take action based on that.
A Newbie posting a referal link isn't a big problem, if he learns from it and stops posting them. I too had the great idea to earn money from posting a few referal links when I was a Newbie, until I got all of them back as Deleted Post in my PM:

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Read June 30, 2015, 09:57:35 PM Deleted Post Bitcoin Forum
Read July 01, 2015, 08:11:10 AM Deleted Post Bitcoin Forum
Read July 01, 2015, 12:49:47 PM Deleted Post Bitcoin Forum

For the record: I didn't have a signature at that time. But I stopped posting reflinks.
If, however, a user doesn't learn from it and keeps spamming, he deserves a ban.

In the past year, some of my posts were deleted, when I answered a technical question which turned out to be a necrobump. I'm more careful now, but I don't think I deserve a punishment for that.

TheBeardedBaby

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Quote from: digaran on July 07, 2018, 01:47:04 AM

Are you going to fix the title or what? rapports facking lol. how many times are you going to suggest things about reporting etc?

Thanks man for correcting me, forgot to change from Norwegian to English while I'm on the phone, so autocorrect is not helping. I love reading your trolly work Wink

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As you said, I do what I can to help the forum.
Btw, I'm faaaar from being top reporter but I'm tired of all those meaningless commets as everyone else.

digaran

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Are you going to fix the title or what? rapports facking lol. how many times are you going to suggest things about reporting etc? we already know you are one of the top reporters. theymos already changed the accuracy calculator to give more incentive to people in order for them to report without worrying too much about the accuracy. this is not a contest to see who is better, just contribute where you can.

Shitcointalk

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Quote from: pugman on July 06, 2018, 07:19:09 PM

Spammers won't be discouraged. Not until signature campaigns and bounties exist. Why would spammers care about the report score if they keep only shitposting. Even if they get banned, they move on and create another account.

Not if signature campaign is only allow from member and up. Or to Jr. member as well if a couple of merits was needed in order to reach Jr. rank. Any newly created account would be useless for sig bounties. That could encourage people to take better care of their account. By not having a bad "report score" for example.

Anyway, I like this idea. The merit system is great, it prevent people from ranking up, but it doesn't prevent people from spamming and creating new accounts. This could provide a nice and needed addition to the merit system.

Ps: I added your idea to my list of propositions to clean up the forum. I hope you don't mind. I am trying to regroup every interesting ideas that could be implemented.

joniboini

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Quote from: pugman on July 06, 2018, 07:19:09 PM

-snip-
Why would spammers care about the report score if they keep only shitposting. Even if they get banned, they move on and create another account.

Even if they can create another account, the amount of money that they will get from the signature campaign will be much less than before. They'll also have a hard time to increase their ranks cause activity alone is not enough, they'll need merits. (I think this has been mentioned by steamtyname up there)

Because report score is related to their posting quality, they'll naturally get forced to be more careful when they post. They will 'work' to make sure they don't get banned because they're spamming.

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