Topic: vulnerability of the forum. slander in plagiarism (Read 2029 times)

Never start coding without a plan. Before you start writing your first letter of code you should know what it’s supposed to do. Otherwise, what are you going to code? Chances are that without a plan your code isn’t well thought out, and as a result, the code gets unnecessarily complex.

Theymos posted a while ago the formula he used for the initial airdrop:


So really, the exact airdrop amount is not determinable by us since it depends on the activity for each person during the last year aprox. prior to the Merit System kickoff. We know what the potential max. was per rank, but no the individual amount…

There are three potential ways of knowing this information, none of which we have:
a.   A file release with the initial sMerit air dropped (preferred).
b.   Adding this info to user profiles (won’t happen).
c.   Having a snapshot of each user profile both at the time of Merit System kick-off, and a year prior to that (to see the difference in activity, although according to theymos’s post the year considers up to 378 days, and I’m not sure that is the exact rule). This would not account nevertheless for the hero member's exceptions.

We’ll have to set aside gollum’s "what have you got in your pocketses" question for now and perhaps forever and for the best, in order to avoid a 1-to-1 merit begging prone activity that would spin right off from this knowledge if made public.

This is my guess at the airdropped smerit.

Member: 1
Full Member: 10
Sr. Member: 25
Hero Member: 50
Legendary: 100

Yes, this problem was also in our discussions, on the analysis of some accounts and what they keep is measured without giving it away. The reasons for their logic failed to solve. One of the opinions that sounded, the fear of painting (trust)

But the layout of the DdmrDdmr more statistically disassembled and the whole situation is not as catastrophic as it seems. Although it does not solve the problem, more than 1\4 falls into so-called wells or burned as a forage account Satoshi

Very interesting question you’ve placed there. Now we can’t really resolve Gollum’s "what have you got in your pocketses" question, but we can approach xtralev’s question with the current data.

Gollum’s question requires us to know what the initial airdrop for each person was, and since that has not been published yet, and due to the fact that it depends on the activity of each user in the year (roughly) prior to Merit Kickoff, we have to give this question a pass. The only approximation that can be done on this is to calculate the “has at least got” value for each forum member, much like vod dues on his BPIP. The indicator nevertheless necessarily leaves out the 600K global total airdrop, which is a big figure to discard.

Xtralev's question on the other hand, can be answered by analysing the users that have received sMerit and not sent any at all. Now these users may or not be themselves beneficiaries from the initial sMerit airdrop, but we can obviate this fact here since they still have not sent any sMerit.
 
In total, 17.335 users have received sMerit up to last Friday morning. Out of those, 8.428 users have not sent any sMerit to anyone. That is 48,61%! Amazing right?
They add up to 39.175 sMerits, which if halved, would be 19.587 smerits that are potentially ready to be set into motion (this is a subset of all though; remember the focus here are users that have receives sMerit and not any sMerit).

In this occasion though, we do have to pay attention to the extreme cases, since they are significant:

-   There are 4.229 users that have received only 1 sMerit. These cannot send sMerit (unless they also have airdropped sMerit, which we do not know), so they should not really play a role here to be on the safe side.

-   Let’s face it, Satoshi’s 1.037 sMerits are not going to be sent.

So if we deduct the above cases to the original astounding numbers, these get reduced to:
4.199 users have received at least 2 sMerits, and have not awarded any. That is 24,22% of the total amount of users that have received sMerit in total, with an equivalent of 34.946 sMerits that could originate 17.473 sMerits. It is also 32,2% of the user base that have received sMerits, if we deduct the 4.199 users that recived sMerit but cannot send sMerit, from the 17.335 users.

Of all the above, the important figure is perhaps the 32,2% of users that, having received sMerit in a magnitude greater or equal to 2 (or 1 sMerit, but received airdropped sMerit and therefore managed to send sMerit themselves), have not sent any sMerit at all. Their amount of awardable sMerit is perhaps not that large though in the big picture.

There is a slight oversimplification though, since each user will have been in disposition to send sMerit at a different time, depending on when he/she received his/her sMerits, but it’s good enough for a starting point.
It is also important that the percentage of people does not represent the percentage of sMerit that in their hands. That is important to emphasize. The 32,2% is quantity of people, not of sMerit.

If I can grab sometime during the week, I’ll take a better look and see if I can derive an OP with a breakdown of the data, providing I find something additional that is meaningful to some extent. This could also be interesting to Add to the Dashboard.

I think you will find that in the English section the merit from genuine sources is not an average of 10 at a time. It might be more between older accounts but it is definitely not my experience from the regular sources.

Also there should always be an incentive to lure the English speaking users that have plenty to offer into the English language section where more people can read it.  

Interaction with people from other countries is one of the things I like about this forum.

Edit:

One thing that I noticed but not investigated is that on some of the Russian users that I clicked on at random they had received merit but hadn't spent their sMerits. Not spending sMerits can hinder the flow of merits. Maybe one of the statistics gurus on here can look into it more.

Thanks for the clarification and analysis. Of course, I exaggerated and understand that analysis, interaction and circulation are more complex than I described. Moreover, I also partly relied on subjective sensations and conveyed the general mood in the section. I do not have enough data, for the reason that reading English is harder for me and I can not so quickly navigate the flow of information, but I'll look at all the links and figure it out in more detail. Thx

P.S. If I understand correctly the postscript and you are about my signature? Yes, I know that the project is over, I'm very close with the project team and so far there has been no signal to remove the signature. By the middle of July everything will be calculated and I can remove it)

Perhaps it was this post, although it is broken down by weeks and not months, and is now a couple of months old: Forum Metrics - Section/subsection sMerit breakdown in detail (specifically section 5.5 Local).
A weekly updated breakdown can easily be seen on the Merit Dashboard. The "section subsection" tab (sixth tab) gives you the information broken down by months on the left, and aggregate on the right graphic.
The distribution of sMerit is not specifically language or board related, with no quotas set on those terms. Regardless, the Forums I figure tries to balance things around a bit adding merit sources based on deeper information which we cannot get hold of. One would say that the amount of sMerit awarded in one local board is low/adequate/high depending on many features, not just language.

For example, the basic objective measures would be the amount of sMerit awarded in relation to the number of posts posted in the section for a given period of time (the former data we have, but alas not the latter).
Of course, we would also have to weigh-in the subjective feature of quality/interest of the posts themselves vs sMerit received. This is subjective, and the lack of sMerit in relation to this complex variable (or set of variables I’d say) is only detectable currently on a visual perception level, where current moderators and I’d say merit sources could have a big saying to report if they detect that there is effectively a large deficiency in this relation (quality/interest vs sMerit awarded).

Looking at the only variable that we really have of the above, the amount of sMerit awarded on the Russian board (with no possible contrast, at least for the commons, to number of posts and quality/interest) is 11,80% in total, and 10,79% if we just focus on the month of June 2018. No other section/subsection has more sMerit awarded during June, and if the 10% of forum users being Russian-speaking that you state were to be correct, then the proportion itself seems rather aligned (without baring all the other factors that would need to be considered).

All this does not diminish the fact that overall circulating sMerit seems to be small, and that sMerit awarded per Tx, or even per post, withers the hopes of many that do get awarded sMerit other that at a drop by drop pace (see Analysis- sMerits per transaction and sMerit transactions per post-Are they low? ). 

Other local are barely on the map at all. While they bear a much lower population and posting degree, the lack of possibilities to get sMerit there are not even likely to give them a chance to thrive and be rewarded unless they are fluent in English and migrate to the English boards.

P.D. You're free to take the campaign's signature off if you wish. The campaign has been over for a few days ...

Thanks for the work and statistics)

All my message is just that, that there is a problem with the moderation of such a volume of topics and posts, so the local community did it, and the fact that we still have less merit than we would like, including from the point of view of its generation 

This is the old statistics.

Now:

Local


Rus


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-data-visualization-storytelling-full-interactive-data-3312945
https://albertoit.github.io/Visualization/index.html


These are my calculations (in Russian). (Approximate)

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Link 2

Link 3


My calculations are based on the fact that in the Russian local thread: 11.9% (22101 merit)
In all the locales, 31.4% (58638 merit)

Hence, in the English thread, 100-31.4 = 68.6%

Compare with the Russian (merit, %)

68.6 / 11.9 = 5.764 (576.4%)

Attendance of the English thread is greater than the Russian thread by 576.4%?

It's very hard for me to believe this

ps: Compare the number of merit-source in the English thread and in Russian

If I correctly understood this statistics, then in the local sections there is only one third of the total merit. The rest 2/3 can be said in the English-language part of the forum. Yes, in local charts we most of all have it. But 10% of all forum users are Russian-speaking. This is a huge mass of messages that they write and actually the people themselves who are trying to get a merit.

And everything looks rather relative. Approximately from the category of how to measure the population density per square km. We have it large in relation to the territory (merit) which we have. I saw the statistics, where we calculated this coefficient how many merit per each mouth is in each of the sections, I'll try to find. Again, on such a mass of people, we have only a few Merit-sorse, swill 3-4, it's not even 10

Yes, I can sub-objectively say that in the English part of the forum to get easier Merit. In the Russian for 10 pieces you need to roll a guide on several sheets, and here for only interesting thoughts in a couple of lines can give so much

About the moderator is correctly noticed, they are not small, about abuse understand. The system is not perfect, but it was at least some attempts

The statistics do not support your claims.
Russian section gets plenty of merit per user.
Spam has been tidied up in that section and some other local boards should take notes. (Some local boards are great)
The only concern I have is that some of the reporting on there is of an industrial scale and this thread shows how that can be abused by malicious reporting of targeted users. It is not the moderators fault but they should keep an eye on it so it doesn't develop into a problem.
When enforcing the rules the goals should always be kept in mind.





Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/where-the-merit-pours-3093768

Moderator in our locale, initially distributed Merit for his help in moderating sections and topics. Those, if you saw that the topic is made, for example, not in that section, or it is a duplicate of those already existing,
then you can write a message in the subject, give a link to the rule and give recommendations. Then make a report. Thereafter, any topic removed, or transferred. In the post-report put 1 merit, if it was useful to the moderator and subsequently removed. Therefore, such a history of merits

There are several problems in this direction. We have one of the biggest locales on the forum, millions of messages. Only 2 active moderators for this whole mass. Also very meager with merit-sorse, in our locale of merit is simply not, in comparison with the English locale. The moderator decided to give him such options. By the way, he threw him in the usual posts that he saw and they were interesting to him. Now this possibility is not present, but our sections have considerably changed. So this definitely was good, although not in the standard way. But in this there is nothing direct such secret 

By comparison, in the English locale give 10 merits in one post is considered normal. In our locale, at once the conversation about dual accounts, buying, and so on. Again, all this fuss is unhealthy due to the fact that Merita little. I hope this at least somehow clarifies the logic of the action and problems of our locale

It's a long-range shot.      Spotika4 - Spotika.
Another tricky word game. The number 4 in our language starts with the letter ch. My nickname can be
translated as stumbling(cпoтыкaч - ч=ch). However, this hint may lead to suspicion of multiaccounts. I already wrote that this user is constantly drawing me into a conversation. Then he deftly twirls the words and mine irritation. And talking about him. Any administrator can investigate and see that Spotika 1-2-3 does not exist. Where then to take the number 4 in the value of the number? This provocateur once again showed the depth of his mind. Multi-account is a serious accusation. Although the rules do not prohibit. So I made a clarification on this stupid lunge. I'm not gonna mess up the space here anymore. If anyone has any questions for me, I will be happy to answer them. After another unjust provocation to me, I think I don't need any further excuses.
But I think, that his malice against me is so great that he'll think of something else.

UNIQUE CONTENT 100%  

One way to protect unique content from such attacks is to use online services to determine the uniqueness of the text (example at the end of the text). In their large texts, I will insert a confirmation. But there remains the problem of translation from language to language. Online services, Russian text will not be able to search in the English sector. The problem of small posts will remain, as in this realized example of an attack. In addition, it is difficult to apply this practice of protection everywhere. Who wants protection, will use.

I am grateful for the help given to the administrator and moderators from the Russian section. I am grateful to those who supported me here and with personal messages. I appreciate the trust placed in me, now I am a source of merit. This is a public role, now I have obligations. I want to give an explanation. Citations quoted by Spotika do not carry malicious intent. If necessary, I can give an explanation for each of them. In the Russian sector, there is a section OTHER, there is a discussion on any topic, sometimes in a joking manner. Several times I wrote there, quotes from there and in them humor. I respect the internal rules, the development of the forum depends on them.

I asked the question about the signature for earnings two or three times, I wanted to understand what it was and possibly completely refuse from fiat money. This does not mean automatic bad behavior on the forum. I did not have time for this, I had to study important questions. Security, decentralization, storage, exchanges, exchange, I got the experience of the fall of the market, these aspects required a lot of time to study. Now I will refrain from the idea of using the signature for commercial purposes. My participation in the life of the forum will have an exceptionally unselfish nature, as I am the source of merit.

My conflict with the user Spotika, started when I wrote a detailed post, why several candidates do not approach the source of merit.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.39577080
They are indifferent to BTC. From the first days on the forum they were interested in merit and rank. Among them was inbizin, who openly, called for fraud. The conflict worsened after the inbizin lock and I received accusations and insults. If it is essential, I can make a chronology and provide proof. I do not want undeserved damage to reputation.

There is a section POLITICS. Perhaps in the Russian sector it is necessary, to make the optimization of sections, some to apply to discuss more priority topics. Sections POLITICS   and OTHER, this is a lot of text, not related to the BTC and other related topics. Given the situation in Russia, in the POLICY section, there are a lot of disputes around Ukraine and the domestic situation in the country. Emotional discussion of the war, sometimes has extreme forms and it is difficult to understand where the trolling begins. This may lead to the blocking of the forum, by the Russian State Internet Surveillance Service. This is the problem of Russia. But many of these sections like and there actively communicate. The last months in the Russian section have been many improvements, it's a fact.

I am grateful to you for the creation of the BTC and this forum, I hope that Satoshi Nakamoto sometimes reads it. The BTC has a future, it is still to get about 4 million coins. I hope, we with you and the forum, safely live up to these days. Together we can contribute to the development of the BTC ecosystem, each by virtue of their abilities. Now my task is to distribute merit, this is a new experience and a modest contribution. It's an honor for me to be useful here. I am open to suggestions, questions and criticism, I will try to be useful. Surely there will still be a favorable occasion for communication. sorry for the translation, I tried.

UNIQUE CONTENT 100%  

I disagree that the Russian section is a mess. It is one of the most active local forums on here and has some very unique articles and tidy organisation. I have said this in private before but I will say it here too:

The reasons I like the Russian forum - I find the standard of posts there good, highly organised  and often find information there that is not available in the English forum.

I have the utmost respect for the moderators there and while it may not always be perfect - you cannot please everyone all the time. Criticism is heard and acted upon. Russian is a complex language and things like trolling are not clearly obvious unless you understand the language. Russian trolling is far more subtle.

Whenever a system is implemented people will find loopholes to cheat the system. It doesn't necessarily mean that the system is flawed. It just means that modifications need to be done to patch those holes. Just like here in Meta there are respected members in the Russian forum that discuss how to make those changes.

It is very hard to balance the undeniable massive problem of shitposts against the incidental deletion of user posts that technically breach the rules but not the purpose of the forum. (e.g. minor errors by beginners).

I agree. But I wrote that my post is not for praise. I'm just doing my job. And I'm against injustice, so I helped deal with this case. And I just don't want you and others to think the Russian section is unpleasant and unmanageable.  

You play upon words again. Nobody pursues you. I will explain nothing to you. You have mentioned me therefore I have written here. I had no desire it to do. You force me again. You contradict yourself. It is worth reading attentively. Purity of a forum for which you "fight" isn't compatible to reports and shitposta.

P.S. Simple answer. I wrote above about inbizin topics. The user is worthy of a ban. But in threads I just had to insert links. They were useful to people and well decorated. On your themes look funny. An adult who is not understands whether the Internet is necessary for a farm it is strange. You are very cunning and deftly play with words.

Hi. tell me how many kilowatts will eat the farm of six graphics cards? What is the minimum temperature in the room? do you need Internet for its work? And how difficult it is to maintain, what level of knowledge is needed for the already assembled farm? ; D

And besides your shitposting. All together, this leads to some reflections. You started reading other people's accounts first. Including mine. I already wrote that I don't want to talk to you (Ru local). But you keep dragging me into a conversation by reaching out to me.
 In our country, many people do not like informers. Whatever they're complaining about. For the first time the words "to the Informer-the first punishment" They were used around 1650. It was written in law. This was done against unfair denunciations. However, people (not crime, but ordinary people) made the interpretation of such. The informer must be punished first. This folk wisdom is alive and now. I didn't invent it. It happened in a few hundred years. I don't consider it a snitching report on the message "Hello", "necessary information" and other useless messages. However, to rummage in the other accounts(as - in dirty linen) that's different. There is a power, it has to be engaged in it. Is it normal. For them there is nothing bad in it. They observe legality and an order. When it start to engage ordinary people this leads to chaos, scandals and recriminations. If it is done by more people, instead of the forum we will get rubbish heap. Once again I will tell - you dexterously play upon words. Use the difference of the translator you falsely they tried to accuse me in criminal words. Any native speaker of our language can confirm that this word (and many others) is wide used by all people, not just crime. Even teenagers use that word. And women. That's all.  This is another provocation. Using the fact that native English speakers do not know about the features of Russian You say something that really is not. I can answer anyone who asks me anything. However, a conversation with you is over. I think you're a bad person. This is my personal opinion. It's based on your own. words and actions(I'm talking about
your double standards). I do not encourage anyone to think the same. Any carrier of our language can all watch. But if you look, it is necessary to consider chronological order of the posts and know special
moments of our language. There everything will be clear. I'm sorry I had to write this. Sorry about the translator. I know what the wrong language is. It can be unpleasant.

Yes, I wanted to earn the crypt currency, and not buy. There was once a thought. Now I will refuse this, in order to avoid a conflict of interests. This idea I picked up from the video of Antonopoulos. Live in the crypt world.

I do not accept other claims. Explain in this thread? I think it's not for this. I was asked who I suspect, I answered.I see the persecution continues.
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P.S.
Simple question. You reproached me for complaining about plagiarism inbizin? Yes or no? What words did you call me? some can not even translate into English. Cтyкaч(in the criminal world, denunciation, slang), shit, old asshole ... You said my complaint about plagiarism, this is the last thing. Is this not so? proof.
you promised to watch me!
I did not want the rascal to be, the source of MERIT. I was not mistaken. Why insults?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.41197625
http://archive.li/xpvqg

Hello. I've been thinking for a long time whether I should write here. But I mentioned here and so I decided to write. Me really don't like this user. However, I did not use any dirty game. I don't like him because he uses double standards. He said that reports litter a forum, but itself wanted to learn to do it:

Artist

few duelists here

that's the compliment he gave.

what's positive? banned another 1001 site
make a steam room with pool and shower haha 

He has plenty. However, I do not want to continue. Anyone can watch this. Such posts not all, but a lot of them.It was strange for me. For this reason I criticized him. And was always polite. The first is an impolite phrase or the provocation always came from him. This can be checked. Therefore, I take the words about the aggression against him as hint of me. There is no aggression. But there are disputes in which he first shows impolite.I apologize for the translator. I didn't want to write it. But I know where a subtle play with words can lead.