Topic: superman184 account is either bought or hacked, need help sniffing possible alts (Read 626 times)

I don't always use dirty words, however you define them.  But when I do....well, what's the point of all this freedom of speech we're granted by Theymos if it's not exercised?  Plus I'm infusing a little color into this conversation.  If everyone just wrote bland, insipid posts (and most members do, unfortunately), doesn't that seem boring to you?

It's not just that someone new can instantly acquire a high rank without putting in the work.  If that was the only issue, I wouldn't be tagging bought accounts or account sellers.  Just check out some of my sent feedback from a couple years ago, where I ticked off all the reasons why account sales are very bad for the forum as a whole and sometimes for individual members.  There are very good reasons to want to deter that kind of shit.

I'm assuming by "you guys" you mean me.  But it doesn't matter, because I usually want input from anyone before I go on a tagging spree, because I never assume that I've got complete information or that my judgement is infallible.  I'm not soliciting advice from just DT members, if that's what you mean by a tribe.  Truth be told, I don't even know who's on the DT list anymore because my trust list looks like this:

~DefaultTrust

And digaran, have we ever had a disagreement before?  We might well have, but for the life of me I don't remember one and I don't think I called you an idiot troll, moist basement or not.  Looks like you got tagged by a bunch of familiar members, but I'm not one of them.  If you've got a beef with them, start up a thread or something.

and perhaps the new owner is part of this account farm

account @superman184 has a password change log on 9/13/2021 8:58:16 AM.
and the account uses the new address to register for the bounty campaign. and all posts related to the new address have been deleted.

address: 0x67e98267A2262CA1C2B49f5E40d75dF4b1E8a8bf
https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=0x67e98267A2262CA1C2B49f5E40d75dF4b1E8a8bf

I traced the transactions a bit and it led to a connection with the account farm I mentioned above.
https://bscscan.com/token/0xe9e7cea3dedca5984780bafc599bd69add087d56?a=0xb5020e4f67fcd0c43edd422193a25f04a61d37c3

quote posted by superman184 on 2021-11-28 18:53:11 UTC

Sorry, I'm not good at English and still need the help of a translator. As usual, you always use dirty words but it's always interesting to read them

At first I didn't agree with Redtrust for buying and selling accounts, because as far as I know it's not prohibited on the forum, but I changed my mind and it's annoying if new people join the forum and immediately have a ranking and get a campaign salary. I'm not jealous, but it still sucks

The guy didn't come here and defend himself so maybe he admitted his mistake and wasn't interested in arguing or putting up a defense. Have you sent a message? If not, I will send him a message in Indonesian about this accusation thread

Um,  yeah.  I think you asked for a post history review (but correct me if I'm wrong), and you really need to learn what it is to make thoughtful, constructive posts--and that's not even considering other factors like the proper use of the language you're using.  No more reviews for you.  Christ, you left that last "sentence" dangling like a limp dick.

I'm still waiting for feedback from the community.

To everyone who's wondering what the big deal is about accounts that changed hands, just use your imagination and come up with scenarios where the new owner either does something shady or simply becomes another shitty poster among thousands that we already have.  I don't give a shit whether anything scams or whatever have happened; they can happen, they have, and most likely they'll continue to happen.  I'll hand out a red trust in a second if only as a deterrent.  I've been fucking account buyers and sellers for a long time now (with a long break, too, but I've been worn down), and I'm comfortable using the trust system in that way. 

Theymos has only given us so many tools to fight scumfuckery here, and you just have to use what's available sometimes.

hahaha... thank you, I was going to ask some questions but I didn't write them because might not be relevant. It seems I missed some of the discussion above.

However, it could be that the account owner doesn't dare to come here, that's a sign that he admits his mistake. Actually, I'm not interested in defending him either

A few questions = 1? I think you might need to rethink your wording from time to time. For the actual answer to the question, you might try reading the other responses as there are less than 20 to read through.

If you use a legal perspective, are there any regulations that prohibit buying and selling accounts here? As far as I know, buying and selling accounts is allowed on this forum. So legally in this forum, this account has not violated anything, but if we talk about forum ethics then it might have violated ethics because most of the members here don't like buying and selling accounts.

A few questions: Are there any indications that this account is committing fraud or causing harm to other people so it deserves a negative tag?

You know that, I know that, and I know damn well yahoo62278 knows it too, because he's been active on the forum even longer than I have and saw all the shenanigans with account farmers, alt accounts abusing campaigns and bounties, and he probably knows all the bad things that can happen when an account changes hands, whether members get scammed or not.  99 times out of 100 it's not good for the forum as a whole, even if only because the new account owner uses it to post crap.  In this particular case, the posting quality as far as language competency goes actually went up....but as I said, I tag 'em when I see 'em and that's that.

Anyone is free to disagree with me, and I've got no hard feelings about that.  If you don't like my feedback, just put ~The Sceptical Chymist in your trust list, and the weight of said feedback will be judged by the community as a whole.  The trust system and DT list have broken down over the years, and they were never perfect to begin with, so I won't mind that much.  Just keep in mind why I give account sellers/buyers red trust, and one of the reasons is on display right here in this thread thanks to the members who helped me out with their research that supported my initial suspicions.

Before I start tagging alt accounts, I'd like to get a little feedback from people on the evidence that was presented by Apocollapse, YOSHIE, and JollyGood.  For my own sanity.  If all I get are crickets, I'm going to start firing the paint gun.

Dang!  I just woke up, I'm still drinking coffee and I'm already back in an argument that's been going on for years.  It's gonna be a great day.

I think you say that from your common sense, while I do it from a legal point of view, because whoever commits a crime does not change the typology of the crime. This of applying a penalty depending on the status of the person or the perception of whether he is going to scam or not, has a difficult defense based on laws and legal regulations.

In fact, it is not the first time that we see in this section that you should not red tag bought accounts for similar reasons and look, we already see that it is part of a farm that have participated in the same giveaway and a little more scratching sure we will see merit abuse, and the like.

Most likely for sale, that's evident from the data and other evidence I've seen, based on the Alt discovery made by: @Apocollapse.

who is still in touch with @superman184 who can be confirmed as the Alt named @raisa1894, and some other evidence, clearly the main owner of @superman184 is @raisa1894, she has other connected accounts that are highly ranked.

1. satecream (Full Member).
2. ainunfm (Full Member).
3. redsap (Member).
4. cloudproject (Jr. Member).

Proof:

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No doubt. From the evidence above, I am 100% sure that the @superman184 account was sold, by the original owner named @raisa1894.

My man.  I appreciate the work you put in to find that--this is the sort of thing I've never quite been good at.

And thank you as well.  I just got home and am bone-tired and am ready to flop onto my bed for about 3 days or so, but I'll look into all the accounts you mentioned whenever I regain consciousness.

LOL.

While it's true that I haven't tagged many bought/sold/hacked accounts in a while, I still will do so when I come across them and I don't care when the account transfer happened.  A good many of them were in 2017 when it either a forum-wide hack occurred or a bunch of members decided to sell their accounts, and I know that because I've tagged a lot of them.  

We've been through this argument of whether or not to give account buyers/sellers red trust before.  I've even asked Theymos whether it's a legitimate use of the trust system, and he said it was.  If I wasn't mentally exhausted, I'd try to find the post in which I asked him very specifically about that.  You might not agree, but account sales are just bad all around, and if anyone is interested in some of the reasons, take a look at the red trust I left a couple of years ago.  I used to give all of the reasons when I left red tags.  

Edited to add:  Do not chalk this lack of post-finding to laziness, which is too often my excuse.  I had a near-sex experience earlier this morning and it wore me down like some kind of brain dremel tool if such a thing existed.  You can all clap for me if you like, but I'm hitting the sack.

Didn't I just say what you were trying to say in one sentence?

, "it's Ok not to tag that account since it poses no threat to community in terms of having the ability to scam people"

That's your point, correct? Maybe you should take your head out of the sand and face reality.  My opinion about DT members mentality stands as fact, or you could prove me otherwise, but you can't because my proof is still hot.

Intelligence has nothing to do with morality and decency, even animals have decency, something most DT members are unfamiliar with.

I like it how you guys post to ask for your fellow tribe member's opinion to show you care enough not to act selfishly, but you go around and pass your judgments in a verbal manner and think only the written words on someone's trust page matters.   But hey, what do I know? I'm just a nobody idiot troll in a dark and moist basement.😉

I'd like to answer you without thinking you're an idiot, but it's hard to not think that when all you do is show your ass whenever possible. You remind me of a teenager who thinks they know it all, but as well all know, you don't.

With that being said, I'm not trying to single out good accounts and bad accounts per say. I'm saying that a bought account from 5 years ago who wasn't someone important in the community, probably has no intention of scamming anyone. They bought the account to make money from sig campaigns or to announce a project. If they bought the account with loads of positive trust, they likely have scam intentions, and the community should be warned they aren't dealing with the original owner. If they gain reputation after the account was purchased and become a staple in the community, then that's fine. It's all about when the account was purchased to me.

There's no need for you to nit pick at everything people write just to try and make yourself look intelligent or push your own agenda. I'm pretty sure everyone here thinks you're just a troll who's bored in moms basement looking for entertainment and will not amount to much in life.

How is that apartheid? The only discrimination I see is the bolded part in his post, other than that, "it's Ok not to tag that account since it poses no threat to community in terms of having the ability to scam people"
I don't know why I just translated yahoo's point here, lol
What you should read is "but it's a nobody" mentality, that's what hurting any community nowadays.

If for example you see someone from your country in some place and see there is a case against him, no matter if he is guilty, you would try to defend and help him, sweeping things under the rug, Here is the same, DT's consider themselves as one nation/tribe, and that's bad. It sets a bad precedent as everyone would think if these people are the most trusted here and they have such a creed, maybe we should be like them as well. That's bad.

Ah... that's from my country. But I've never seen him make a post on our local boards. Indeed, many members from Indonesia prefer to post on english boards, but sometimes they will post on local boards.

Maybe if he were here we could test his Indonesian language skills. I can tell whether he uses Indonesian translation or is a native Indonesian speaker

If I have this correct, below is the current list of accounts directly associated with the superman184 account mentioned by the OP here and here are some links with excellent work conducted by Stalker22. There could also be several more accounts in the farming process but they are not yet known (if they exist at all):

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Shishir55
pappu789
superman184
ramgautam125
KomalSonkar#_@KS
RANASINGHAZAZ9099
RAVINDRAKUMAR7777
SHAHILSHINGH332211

I doubt the account farmer or puppeteer will even both putting up a defence trying to avoid getting tags on any associated accounts but for if he ended up posting to what the OP and subsequent members stated, it might make an interesting read.

I see the idea of ​​considering the penalty for a "crime" depending on the DT status of the person who commits it as legal apartheid, not very different from considering the penalty based on the darkness of the skin color of the person who commits it.


Well, that's not entirely true, as I remember you had a gap without tagging account buyers and I asked you about it.


That's what happens, when we discover one thing it's usually the tip of the iceberg. The clearest example can be seen in those threads that are opened in this section, protesting a single tag, sometimes even neutral, and that make the DTs investigate the person, who ends up with several more red tags for other reasons.

I remember DireWolfM14 defending that people should not be red tagged for simply buying an account, and there was a quote from theymos saying that there are many more accounts bought than we think, but I think they do not meet the characteristics of this case where it is clear from the posting style that there is something else behind it, as we can see with the analysis of Apocollapse. I believe the cases where someone simply buys an account and doesn't break any more rules, especially after the introduction of the merit system, are statistically insignificant.

This is what I got,

superman184's post.

superman184 deleted his post, both of them participated in a same giveaway held by Rollin.io Rollin.io - 0.5 mBTC giveaway

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superman184's once again delete his application, he was using "pappugautamAZ" telegram username and this username is connected to many alt accounts that was been discovered by Stalker22, ban evader and cheater.

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As for the account was bought or hacked, there's a possibility because there was three years gap where in 2018 he posted full in Bahasa and suddenly spamming in Altcoin discussion in 2021.



If he can able to sign one of his old addresses, he might able to escape from bought or hacked case, but the fact is his account linked with ban evader and cheater.
superman184's old address 1KuGaPFtzjzrfnZ7aiWgT8aJJR2n1SL4ZQ
superman184's old address 1JsbgQo44BJhHKe8tNTe4LDLrRxRWmGzph
superman184's old address 1GF9XL2W2NN8zeoD2WLQXi4hkSvfSQiGnS
superman184's old address 1Bchn6V8YyR4JmJhoUq5UruPSKHL3nnqcH
superman184's old address 12TyJfo5msuFjv17hYwiMT6oPCBPkaxJLM

Oh, yahoo62278, you know I always paint account buyers/hackers when I find out about them.  I've been doing it for about 7 years now so it ought not come as a surprise to you that I'm sticking to my guns with superman184.

On top of that, if my theory is correct and this guy does have alt accounts I might be able to do the forum a favor and render a few shitposting accounts useless (perhaps) for sig campaigns.  A red tag should still count for something when it comes to choosing participants, no?  It's obvious that's the only thing superman184 is here for, and the only thing he's done on bitcointalk that I can tell from looking at his post history is dilute meaningful discussion with his incentivized crapola.

I respect your input, as always.

IMO if(likely you're correct) the account was purchased it happened long enough ago that there's no reason to tag it now with anything other than a neutral. If it was a big positive trusted account or on DT I would consider a neg, but it's a nobody.

I'll ~ and would suggest others do so as well, but there's really not much of a cause for red IMO. You can do as you please of course, just tossing in my 2 cents.