Topic: Support bitcoin.org SOPA blackout on 18 Jan (Read 2946 times)

I posted a big message on editthis.info and cueflash.com yesterday, still up for a little today.

Any domain registered in the USA is vulnerable to the SOPA.  Doesn't even have to have the server or the citizenship in the USA.

Correct.  Only the website.

BitcoinPool is.

Other pools are not, including MtRed, which came from reddit...but apparently doesn't want to follow reddit's example of blacking out.  It looks like Deepbit, Slush, and all the other pool simply don't care  if the Internet gets censored...what a shame.

well, i highly doubt a domain owner's citizenship will have any impact whatsoever on the decision to seize an 'offending' domain.

it's already happened without SOPA.

oh look, fakerolex.com is selling fake rolex's... oh wait, the registered owner is australian... better not seize that domain in case we piss off Julia.

Being rude won't help your argument. I disagree entirely, but who knows. If the measure is passed, we will see who is correct. If not, I'll be glad to never resolve this dispute.

i think the US likely won't care at all where a site is hosted or the citizenship of it's owner. if they can take down a .com, they will.

Please don't misquote me, especially when it is not what I said at all. Citizens != domain names, last time I checked. I think the US is likely not to enact many changes with significant global impact due to the foreign policy issues it would cause, as I stated. Don't get me wrong, I am entirely opposed to SOPA/PIPA, along with Internet censorship in general. I just think that the media is so focused on SOPA that other occurrences of this sort get glazed over.

fixed... millions of people around the world use .coms.

I certainly agree it has more global ramifications, but to the residents of America versus the residents of another country enacting a similar measure, the effects are close. I'm just stating that we should not consider the effects on American citizens more important than the effects of people of another nationality. Maybe I didn't make that clear; I'll clarify my post a bit. And, while you are theoretically correct, the "right" to do what you described granted by SOPA/PIPA does not necessarily mean the act of doing so would take place. I doubt Nigeria would take kindly to the US taking down one of its websites, and I doubt the US would do so due to the inevitable foreign relations problems it would cause. Most of the results of SOPA/PIPA legislation being passed would likely affect US citizens only.

that argument doesn't work, because America still has basic control of the domain name system, other countries do not.

theoretically if the US gov wanted to, it could take down fakerolex.com.ng permanently and globally, but i don't think the nigerian government could take down fakerolex.com globally.

SOPA/PIPA certainly is a dangerous piece of legislation with unpredictable and possibly harmful consequences. It is not, however, either certainly devastating nor a unique danger. The act itself is only creating so much news buzz because of the country it is proposed in. Many countries already have this sort of legislation. Did we blackout for those? No. US citizens should not be held to a different level of importance than citizens of another country.

However, I do not suggest we ignore this phenomenon. Internet censorship is immoral and potentially quite dangerous. I certainly think that the Bitcoin community in general is and should be opposed to it, and there is nothing wrong with vocalizing our opposition. Neither is there anything wrong with mentioning SOPA/PIPA. It is, though not inherently more dangerous to Americans than measures in other countries have been to their citizens, probably more impactful to the world at large due to the USA's sizable influence, control of key DNS systems, and the not unlikely possibility that other countries may follow in America's footsteps if the measure does indeed get passed.

My personal opinion, and recommendation, is as such: A "soft" blackout, with a splash page focused more on anti-censorship than SOPA/PIPA, though the latter should certainly be mentioned. Make sure to be clear that the Bitcoin community is opposed to censorship in all forms, and that SOPA/PIPA is not the only nor necessarily the worst danger in regards to Internet censorship. I was surprised to see the results showing that a full blackout was in second place. Our purpose here is to inform people. Not allowing them to access the actual site will not make them read the splash page, and it could certainly be frustrating for people wanting to get into Bitcoin, maybe even due to the large amount of news surrounding Internet censorship, some of which includes references to this and other methods of circumventing/protecting against such measures. We want to let people know what's going on, not frustrate them and potentially dissuade them from joining our community.

I agree, but I support a "SOPA/PIPA sucks" click through.
I think this could directly affect Bitcoin but so can so many other things.
Personally I'm completely against SOPA but that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.


Jered

If readers of this forum were not aware of this, who else would? I vote to not cripple our communication. It's like a monastery deciding to protest for more Christianity - inside their walls.

Well more than 90% of people support a banner or more.

The issue with SOPA is that even though it is a UnitedR  States domestic law it has a huge impact outside the United States. While US citizens can and should contact their members of Congress, those that are not US citizens on the surface have no say. The reality is that those that are not US citizens can have a major impact by targeting those corporations and labour organisations that support SOPA. The list is here: http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rogue%20Websites/List%20of%20SOPA%20Supporters.pdf.

How many are prepared to boycott the Superbowl over the National Football League's support of SOPA or make the point of crossing a Teamsters' picket line over the International Brotherhood of Teamsters' support of SOPA for example? The recent Go Daddy boycott has already shown that targeting supporters can and does have an impact.

As for bitcoin.org I would say no. There is nothing wrong with keeping the "official" site politically neutral. The discussion of this issue in the forum can accomplish a lot more. SOPA by the way may actually benefit Bitcoin.

Seems like a pointless gesture that will only annoy people with the same or less ability to do anything about it.

I don't know how many people watched that last episode of "the good wife".

But IF those viewers (typical people, no knowledge of BTC or SOPA) decide to visit this site by googling Bitcoin, it could benefit the anti-SOPA movement.

I think it's only one day - otherwise, it would be preaching to the choir.

+1

Regardless of the actual importance of the law, taking drastic action makes the project seem unstable and unprofessional.

I guess defeating SOPA is good, but I find it annoying that people are putting so much effort into this one law when there are thousands of terrible laws already in existence and this style of government will inevitably continue to create more terrible laws.