Topic: Support Needed to Expose DuckDice.io Unfairness 🚩 (Read 543 times)

I’m sorry if there was any misunderstanding that led you to think I changed my narrative. To clarify, I’ve been consistent in my account of events. When I mentioned the 0.37 BTC loss, it was to explain that this occurred in approximately 300 bets, during which the 158 consecutive losses took place and wiped out my balance.
My intention was to make it easier for Duckdice.io to investigate. I provided this context expecting that the results they would share would include detailed information, such as bet amounts and winning chances, which would allow for precise identification of the streak in question.
Additionally, the part you quoted from my comment explicitly states, "I also shared a screenshot of my bet ID, which can help them locate my other bets from that period." This shows I was providing details to assist them in identifying the relevant bets for their review, not changing my narrative.

Edit: Also, I have no problem with him showing the blackmailer's email address in public.
And if needed, I will remove my email from a few important accounts and post it on this forum for public view.

Thank you for the assist holydarkness,  I'm curently on vacation for 2 days.  So once I return I will come to your dms with the email evidence .





Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Kirito89, I've got a written consent through PM from OP to validate the situation of similar email account. It came with several terms, but after mulling over it the entire day, I think the best approach is to actually leave both parties in the blind, so, simplified, kindly provide me [through PM, not here publicly] the evidence of those email similarities, and I'll take it from there, if you don't mind.

And OP, while we wait for DuckDice with that ball in their court, perhaps you can do something with the one in your own court? The one from my previous post about the discrepancy in the narrative of the bets?

Amongst all other points you raised here, let's table them for now and focus on each and every single one of them one at a time.

First, the easiest, about your apology if you're proven wrong and about how I overlooked it. I can assure you from the bottom of my heart, with my soul [if I still have any] as the offering, that I am not. In fact, that word drilled into my mind and that's why I re-entered the discussion although I've readied myself to sit as a spectator, to prove whether the apology is needed for not. I believe that's prove enough that I didn't miss that thing? No?

Hope that clarifies about me overlooking that statement and conclude it. Feel free to make a rebuttal.

Otherwise, if you may, moving to matters of discrepancies. I'd more than happy to clarify what discrepancies you think Kirito had during his attempt and from his statements here and polished that into the clearest with your help. Do you mind to list them? So I can easily get it cleared?

At the same time, still the matter of discrepancies, if I may also ask from your side... so, I woke up today and somehow decided to give your case another spin, re-reading them all over again to be sure nothing missed. Can you perhaps clarify this discrepancy of your own? Perhaps tell us which narrative you choose to be the one that applied?

Earlier, you said,


And later,


Uhh?

And oh, perhaps give your consent for FJ DuckDice to share your email? To prove or disprove their rebuttal about similar email address with the scammer? If you feel uncomfortable with your account being publicly disclosed, I'd like to offer an option where they send it to me, for-my-eyes-only basis, and I'll reproduce a screenshot of that proof they have me, with several characters of the email being censored. I'll give my best to find a balance where it's enough to maintain privacy yet also prove [or disprove] the similarities.

edit: DuckDice, sorry. My brain kept mixing these two cases, I have a theory why, but I don't want to throw muds.

1. You claim that the fairness of the seed I gambled on has been independently verified by Khaleed. However, I’m still waiting for concrete proof that this verification was conducted transparently and thoroughly. The so-called verification you’re referring to doesn’t even show a winning or losing bet. It just shows a number that could be either a win or a loss, without any clear indication of the actual outcome. As Khaleed himself mentioned, this data is useless because it doesn’t prove anything about the actual bets or outcomes. Yet, you’ve taken his statement out of context and twisted it in your favor to suit your narrative.

Regarding your request to publicly disclose the email address I’ve been in contact with you on – let me be clear: I have NEVER engaged in any form of blackmail. Your attempts to tarnish my reputation with these false claims are uncalled for.
Here is my Email: https://imgur.com/a/ZbWExwU the Blackmailer that you posted: https://imgur.com/a/OKAlIXC

It’s clear that you’re more focused on deflecting and trying to shift the narrative rather than addressing the actual issues at hand. This matter will now be pursued through legal means, and we’ll see where that leads.

Edit : Since you ignored earlier:

Is it truly a coincidence that these emails always seem to appear conveniently after someone publicly calls you out? This raises serious questions about your narrative and whether these “blackmail attempts” are being fabricated or manipulated as a tactic to discredit anyone who challenges your platform.

If I may - When exactly did you last pay a blackmailer, and what was the specific issue they were using to blackmail you? What made you so afraid that you decided to pay them despite claiming their accusations were baseless?

It seems you’ve made yet another baseless accusation, claiming that I said it’s a coincidence the blackmailer’s email is similar to mine. Let me ask you directly: where did I ever say that? If you cannot provide proof of this statement, I expect a public apology for the damage you’re doing to my reputation in this thread.

To refresh your memory, I’ve already shared a screenshot link where you made this claim. Here’s the link again for everyone’s reference: https://imgur.com/a/QySz8vs

Additionally, I want the Bitcointalk community to witness what Duckdice representatives are doing in public forums—constantly shifting narratives, twisting facts, and making baseless accusations. If this is how they handle public discussions, it makes me wonder: what are they doing in private messages with users? How far does this behavior go when there’s no public scrutiny?

I never claimed you took money from Duckdice. I appreciate your time and efforts in responding to this thread. However, I made a similar accusation to another user (Abubhakar) to see how he would react when accused of something he never did. This was meant to highlight how baseless accusations feel when made without evidence—something I am currently facing from Duckdice’s representative.

If I were to ask you which bets were wins and which were losses from the data they provided, your immediate response would likely be to ask, “Which side were you playing?” That’s exactly the issue—the history they provided doesn’t even indicate whether I was betting on the high or low side, making it impossible to evaluate the outcomes properly. Without this critical detail, their so-called proof becomes even more questionable and incomplete. as per Khalid 'The Number do not mean anything since its not showing if the bet was placed on high or low side'

I wasn’t aware that the data Duckdice would provide would be incomplete, showing just numbers without indicating whether each bet was a win or a loss. Naturally, I expected them to provide meaningful and transparent information.

Additionally, you mentioned my earlier statement where I said I was waiting to see the results. Did you also notice that in the same part, I clearly stated I would apologize to Duckdice if I was proven wrong? It seems you overlooked that part. My approach was always fair—I was open to admitting fault if they provided proper evidence, which they failed to do.

Edit: You mentioned that their explanation hasn’t changed, but I strongly disagree. Their representative accused me of blackmail, claimed things I never said, and contradicted himself multiple times. If they had a consistent narrative, why are there so many discrepancies and baseless accusations? I’ve highlighted these inconsistencies repeatedly, and they remain unaddressed.

Did you ever ask the Duckdice representative to prove their accusations of me blackmailing them?
Did you question why they changed my narrative, even though this is a public forum where everyone can see what was actually said?

Instead of addressing these inconsistencies, you posted a comment that conveniently paved the way for the Duckdice representative to double down on their baseless accusations. After your post, they made another similar and then stuck to it, as if your comment validated their behavior.

A fair and unbiased approach would question both sides equally, especially when one party has clearly been caught twisting facts and Bets results.

Hey holydarkness, I really appreciate your help on this matter, though unfortunately I think you're fighting a lost cause, there are certain numbers of things that OP will ignore, and simply continue spamming in both threads in the hopes of getting traction and managing to get some bonus $ out of duckdice, these things are:

1. OP claimed he suffered a 158 streak on 15.5%, he (unfortunately for him) shared a screenshot of one of his bets that showed his server/client seed that he was playing on, and thus with the help of khaleed we were able to prove that this streak didn't happen, as soon as we did that, OP changed his entired narrative, claiming that he manually changed bets, thus being unable to verify it.

2. OP has magically come up with this accusation 1 year after this happened, after he reuquested a GDPR account removal, which basically means all data linked to the account is deleted by us

3. In the same time our trustpilot rating started tanking due to false reports taking our rating from 4.2  to a 2.1, he claims its a coincidence, though we've dealt with this in the past, a false allegation comes on bitcointalk mixed with a spam in trustpilot reviews in the hopes of making Duckdice pay him something to stop this (it's the same person)
4. OP didn't take into account, that the blackmailer's email, and his email are unique, only separated by 1 letter, so if someone was trying to take advantage of his bitcointalk thread, there would be no way of guessing his unique email, I've actually asked him in the other thread if he gives me permission (due to GDPR constraints) to disclose his email, which he conviniently ignored, so regardless of any reason provided by you, or me, or anyone else for that matter, he will simply ignore it and spam the thread so he can push his narrative.

Again I'd like to thank you for objective support on this matter!


Kirito89,

Duckdice Support.

Okay, this thread got reopened and the inevitable confusion that follows, having to address two simultaneous threads that's identical yet different is several minor details, has already begun.

OP, to straighten two things:

DuckDice's explanation through Kirito89's statement never changed. I've explained about this numerous times in your other thread. If there is any discrepancies or changed narrative, it's just because you misinterpret them, be it intentionally or unintentionally. I believe I've explained about this consistency on their narrative to an extent. I would advise you to really give them a read and try to understand the situation I am trying to help you understand through those words.

Second [and I am somewhat sure you'll say I am siding with DuckDice, taking money from them, biased, and the likes after reading the following sentence. I can assure you that I am not, but of course, I can't force you on a perspective] if there is any change in narrative and discrepancies, it's actually from you.

First you want a proof of PF and the losing streak. The PF has been explained exhaustively, about how there are several other independent 3rd party verifier aside from what they provided themselves, and I think we can pretty much rest assured that the chance they're manipulating rounds are somewhat minimal. Because otherwise, there will be at least a dozen of scam accusations raised against them with valid proof where the result of PF did not match what their platform said. I doubt there were not any people who randomly check the PF, and from these people, FJ happen to have the rounds where the outcome were not manipulated.

They must have a five-leafed clover if they could pull such stunt.

So, the lack of valid complaint that they're caught red-handed with manipulated outcome, where what's shown on their platform were different from the PF verification, would be an inferred testament that their game is indeed fair.

This bring us to the last of your concern, the losing streak, and this is where, IMO, your narrative is the one that changed, not theirs. First you gave a piece of info [the screenshot], and when DuckDice, with the huge help of khaled0111 actually managed to reconstruct the betting history, with the result pending you said,


Upon a result that the losing streak did not exist, rolled the next key-information, [I deliberately quote in full instead of snippet so people who did not read the other thread will have a better chance of understanding the communication that transpired]


Can you enlighten us what actually happened here and why that statement only came out after they disprove the claim of losing streak? While previously you simply said that you wait for the verification, without mentioning that the data will be useless? You could and should have mentioned it right then and there where Kirito stated as below, that the data would be irrelevant, so what happened?

I must address a few points. Stating that I don’t have an established reputation here doesn’t mean Duckdice or anyone else has the right to baselessly accuse me or tarnish my image. Being a Bitcointalk user yourself, don’t you think everyone starts somewhere? Reputation is built over time, and if such accusations are made against me at the beginning, how will it affect how others perceive me tomorrow? Wouldn’t you or others later refer back to these accusations, even if they are unfounded?

I strongly disagree that my issue has been properly addressed. Duckdice has ignored key questions, changed their narrative multiple times, and resorted to personal attacks rather than addressing the core issue. This behavior does not align with the standards of a fair or professional platform.

Moreover, the results Duckdice posted don’t even specify whether a bet was a win or a loss, nor do they clarify if the bet was on the high or low side. Without this critical information, their so-called “proof” is meaningless.

Edit: Don't you think that if they lied here in a public forum, they could just as easily lie in private messages? And if they manipulated a bet once, which they have already admitted, what’s stopping them from doing it again? This raises serious doubts about their credibility and fairness.


After reviewing your trust score section, nothing stops me from believing that your response seems heavily biased, to the point where it sounds like you took money from Duckdice to defend them. Instead of objectively analyzing the situation, you dismiss my claims outright and side with them without addressing the inconsistencies and lies I’ve pointed out.

Not gonna ruin your statement but first of all you don’t have any known established reputation here in the forum that Duckdice can ruined.

Also your claim about malicious or rigged results doesn’t have a solid grounds due to low sample that you have 150+ will not gonna prove anything. You will need thousands to million of bets and repeated results in able to conclude that their is rigged.

Your issue was addressed properly already.

Your repeated attempts to tarnish my reputation in public, coupled with baseless accusations, are unacceptable. You owe me a public apology for your false claims and misleading narratives.

Duckdice.io is nothing but a scam—an operation that resorts to blackmailing its users with baseless accusations and intimidation tactics against anyone who dares to speak out in public.

I have solid proof where you, as a representative, attempted to tarnish my reputation with lies. As someone in your position, you should act with seriousness and professionalism, not resort to deceit and manipulation. You may have escaped scrutiny before, but this time, you won’t escape accountability from me

You claiming that I said it’s a coincidence the blackmailer’s email is similar to mine. Let me ask you directly: where did I ever say that? If you cannot provide proof of this statement, I expect a public apology for the damage you’re doing to my reputation in this thread.

Here’s the link again for everyone’s reference: https://imgur.com/a/QySz8vs

I request all members to support my flag here to spread awareness and hold DuckDice accountable:

Flag Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3350

OPs claims have been disproved in the other thread, he's simply grasping at straws right now in an attempt to get something out of Duckdice for "ruining" our reputation.  Regardless, nothing is going to happen.    His fake allegations have been adressed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5521053.60



Kirito89,
Duckdice Support.

Yes, here is the screenshot link: https://prnt.sc/w5ws9b,
https://imgur.com/a/OYcj7X9  which clearly shows that a winning bet was turned into a losing one. Luckily, the user noticed it and reported it, which Duckdice later acknowledged as a system failure. They refunded the user for this issue.

Would Duckdice have refunded the user if they hadn’t caught and reported it themselves? That’s an important question to consider. If a system failure happened once, it raises the possibility that it could happen again or even be more widespread. You know what I mean—it suggests that the system might not be as foolproof. And honestly, how can we be sure it was a system failure and not an intentional attempt to steal the user’s win? These doubts naturally arise when such incidents occur.

Thank you, Holydarkness, for your continued efforts and constructive approach to this matter. I truly appreciate the time and energy you’ve put into mediating and offering a path forward. Your suggestion to proceed with verifying the bet history is reasonable, and I’ll follow through accordingly.

As per your advice, I’ll close this thread to avoid unnecessary repetition and confusion. If the bet results are verified and it turns out I was mistaken, I will sincerely apologize to DuckDice, update my post here, and remove my negative review from Trustpilot.

To the rest of the community, I kindly ask you to read through my posts fully before commenting. Many of the points raised were already addressed, and I’m genuinely seeking resolution, not baseless accusations. Thank you again to everyone contributing positively.

Ordinarily, this case of OP looks dead on arrival because OP has no much facts at hand and if you read through the replies and comments from members, they are all pointing to OP being not able to present any tangible fact at hand to prove his claims but it seems unproductive from OPs end as there is nothing to present  to help speed up the process but however, holydarkness has made an attempt to see how the case could be revived after several attempt by OP to contact the casino failed. I think we should give holydarkness time to handle this situation as he is a reputable member here to look upto on this platform.

Shouldn't have surprised that this thread was originated from the gambling board, given the majority of the content that's being posted as a reply here.

OP, Horsbyname, why do you need to have several threads at once for same situation?

And as I've exhausted an effort to get your case on the original thread back in motion, which bring us to duckdice's rep trying to dig the betting history from the remnant that can be gathered, can you please lock this thread? It will be an extra work for me if I have to monitor two threads at once and straighten things that other said without properly reading what actually transpired.

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To address things in general:

1. Their fairness page, https://duckdice.io/fairness, yes, it's accessible [I accessed it back then when the case first being presented to the scam accusations board, I accessed it again just now to re-validate], so does their verification tool that's linked on that page, https://codepen.io/DuckDice/pen/abdNzQE.

2. The act of deleting account. OP admitted that things didn't end well near the end of his conversation with DuckDice last year. With none of each side can provide a proof of this, I can only rely on strong assumption that emotion ran high and words were spoken and thrown without much consideration at times somewhere last year, one of which interpreted as him asking for his account to be deleted.

Having to comply to GDPR, account removal comes with total eradication of personal data. Thus, DuckDice can not retrieve OP's betting history as there were no ties to OP's credential on their log. I personally can't see the benefit of DuckDice lying to OP and deleted his account without his consent, as it will only make things hard for DuckDice to defend themselves.

The problem here was to prove PF, which a log will easily provide that. From their side, they themselves were curious with the statement of 158 losing streak and would want to verify it themselves, which they can't, since they don't have any info that can help them tie their internal record to OP's account. Thus, lying that OP's account no longer exist because it's been wiped clean [while, presumably, it doesn't] didn't work in their favor and logically wouldn't be a step they take as a rebuttal to prove themselves.

However, this thing is no longer of relevance as it is currently being remedied with one screenshot that OP dug, which contain a betID. I've asked their rep to use this ID and they say that they will make some work backward to "restore" OP's betting history. Not sure how will it work and not sure how long will it take, but things are in motion.

The rest of the questions and comment, it can easily be validated and answered by reading the original thread, as things has been explained in details in repetition there. I'll invite anyone interested to head to that thread [OP provided the link to it on his opening post, but suppose it's too hard to find, it's https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/beware-of-duckdiceio-my-disappointing-experience-and-fairness-issues-5521053] and read.

And OP, lock this thread. It contributes nothing to the development of your case.

Thanks for the suggestion, but if you had read my post fully, you’d see I already created a scam accusation here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64796450

It’s disappointing to see many users commenting without reading the full details, often favoring the casino or just echoing the last comment of a high-level user. My account was deleted without my consent, making it impossible to provide further evidence.  

@arwin100 : Thank you for your input. I understand many already know about Duckdice’s poor reputation, but sharing my case is important to warn others. While proof is ideal, my account and history were deleted without consent, preventing me from providing more evidence.

@khaled0111 : As I mentioned earlier, I never requested my account deletion, and if Duckdice claims otherwise, they should provide proof. Without access to my data, it’s challenging to present further evidence.

I was asked by DuckDice's representative to provide evidence to support my claim, which I did. Here is his conversation where he requested evidence: https://imgur.com/a/Y5T02rD

In response, I provided the requested evidence, including screenshots of my username and a bet: https://imgur.com/a/2uC1yvl  Bet Id :  https://imgur.com/a/Z852R43

Two days later, he returned and claimed my account was deleted. Initially, he stated that the username I provided didn’t exist. However, after I provided the screenshot proving the existence of my username and the bet, he shifted to saying the account and its data were deleted.

Interesting. Could you please share any source where their admin admitted that there was some kind of manipulation or unfair bet? I don't remember seeing anything like that. I understand there could be manipulation from the casino side, which is a scam, but if you cannot prove it, then no scam happened. I am interested in seeing where and when they admitted that they did any kind of manipulation. That should be the end of Duckdice's reputation. Once a cheater, always a cheater. If that was intentional from them, then I will leave them a negative tag. But if that was some kind of error and they admit it and then fix it, you cannot really say that was cheating. In this case, I would give them the benefit of the doubt.

The act of deleting your account simply because you raised concerns is already suspicious especially since you didn’t request it. However I’m not sure if their terms and conditions allow them to do that or if online casinos generally have the right to take such actions.

If they really have transparency and a provably fair system, they should show that the results of your bets are legitimate. But the previous admission of manipulating other users’ bets is a significant red flag if it's true. They might have been doing this for a long time and may still be doing it now which is why they shouldn’t be trusted in the first place.

I've been following the discussion on your topic on the scam accusation board since the moment you posed it and, to be honest, I don’t think any dt member will support the flag for lack of evidence.
You need to prove that they deleted your account without your consent and I'm ot sure how you are going to do that!

It’s working but it takes too long to load. Sometimes, and I've no idea why it does that, you have to click on the menu button for the fairness page to load.