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Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 21, 2019, 10:09:47 AM

i still have active bet on this site and suddenly upon checking today = their site is down

are they going to come back and innovate things to attract players or are they totally gone?

judging by the comments in this topic and the state of the market , admins decided it is not really worth it
and in my opinion - it was the right decision to make
well , we do not know , maybe it is just a temporary maintenance , but from what we saw the project has not too many chances to succeed
not because of the incompetence, this just how the things are at the moment , PVP games got to present something outstanding to have any chance to be successful

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i still have active bet on this site and suddenly upon checking today = their site is down

are they going to come back and innovate things to attract players or are they totally gone?

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If the developer of this site will not be online for the next coming weeks, I am guessing he's abandoning this project already. PvP games are really tough to gain players. And visiting the website, I have never seen them reach at least 10 players. No wonder if you bet, you can't get an outright results of your bet. Will take days to fulfil the match. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Kenric Tran on December 16, 2019, 05:50:59 AM

Quote from: veleten on December 14, 2019, 09:03:35 AM

Quote from: Kenric Tran on December 09, 2019, 10:55:55 PM

Quote from: Ringg on December 03, 2019, 07:01:12 AM

Quote from: veleten on December 02, 2019, 02:55:59 PM

Quote from: Ringg on December 02, 2019, 11:05:49 AM

What external source of randomness are you using?
Doesn't seem to be provably fair.
Read up on our post regarding this if you are confused what I mean by this : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/provable-fairness-in-player-vs-player-be-cautious-5194336
Also this isn't an attack, just trying to understand if there's something I missed here that makes it provably fair.

I haven't really tested their provably fair extensively
but at the first glance it looks like your standard server hashed/client seed combination and they do not use any external randomness sources
not sure about the nonces though , and didn't find how to change the client seed
here is the screen of their PF section :

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if anyone would like to check their provably fair and post it here , will be appreciated

They have no external source of random in their PvP site.
Meaning it's possible for the casino to :
- Create games with a skewed outcome
- Join games knowing the outcome (i.e only games they'll win if they join)

The way of this PF system is using in many online casinos out there, and it's not a truly PF system. Many articles had been identified its drawbacks, this is one of them https://medium.com/ginar-io/what-is-provably-fair-does-it-really-work-in-cs-go-gambling-fc32bc9d52a2

a very useful article
thank you posting it , answered some of my questions in regards to the PF they are using , here is your deserved merit Wink

and yes the main problem of the games like this is the possibility of the server admin to collude with one of the players or even be that player himself to win all the time
or when it is needed , since it won't be too conspicuous this way
PVP sites have this trust issues when you have to be absolutely sure the player that is betting against is not a house bot or a stooge
and with this type of a lottery game where the stakes determine the winning percentage you get , this is a big deal

Betting back the house bot on those PVP sites is dangerous, since now with the development of AI, there has truly intelligent machine is playing back you, but many sites are doing so. They are using their own PF system, claim to players which is provable... for their own benefits. And here we are not yet mentioned on many Scamming Sites out there.

where is the dev now to answer this provable fairness thing? about a week now that he is not active.
and btw, i still have supreem bet about 2 days already and not yet filled? lol so im guessing this project will not gonna proceed as planned. never encountered a successful pvp platform anyway.
lets see if the dev is thinking something to give life on this pvp game or just abandon the project as it seemed hopeless?

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Quote from: ryzaadit on December 08, 2019, 09:46:37 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on December 08, 2019, 08:46:44 AM

Apparently I have seen something that catches my attention, if a player puts in money suppose: 0.008BTC and another player does not match the bet but with a smaller amount, it favors the higher bet, but in case there are many players with smaller bets at 0.008, will the one who made the bet of 0.008BTC always have the advantage? Only I noticed that.

I believe basically like coinflip.

If you put smaller than him your percentage winning lower than him, you should put the same amount as he did then you will have the same chance percentage to winning.

But the current bottleneck of this site is the number of players.
I noticed that since you can count the number of online players with your one hand, pushing one match is very hard.
So I have the impression this site will not going to be long here in the gambling business.
Unless, the supreem team will think of something on how to attract players at any given moment of time.

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Quote from: veleten on December 14, 2019, 09:03:35 AM

Quote from: Kenric Tran on December 09, 2019, 10:55:55 PM

Quote from: Ringg on December 03, 2019, 07:01:12 AM

Quote from: veleten on December 02, 2019, 02:55:59 PM

Quote from: Ringg on December 02, 2019, 11:05:49 AM

What external source of randomness are you using?
Doesn't seem to be provably fair.
Read up on our post regarding this if you are confused what I mean by this : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/provable-fairness-in-player-vs-player-be-cautious-5194336
Also this isn't an attack, just trying to understand if there's something I missed here that makes it provably fair.

I haven't really tested their provably fair extensively
but at the first glance it looks like your standard server hashed/client seed combination and they do not use any external randomness sources
not sure about the nonces though , and didn't find how to change the client seed
here is the screen of their PF section :

https://i.imgur.com/Y5nCNkHh.png

https://i.imgur.com/0lcv2EBh.png

if anyone would like to check their provably fair and post it here , will be appreciated

They have no external source of random in their PvP site.
Meaning it's possible for the casino to :
- Create games with a skewed outcome
- Join games knowing the outcome (i.e only games they'll win if they join)

The way of this PF system is using in many online casinos out there, and it's not a truly PF system. Many articles had been identified its drawbacks, this is one of them https://medium.com/ginar-io/what-is-provably-fair-does-it-really-work-in-cs-go-gambling-fc32bc9d52a2

a very useful article
thank you posting it , answered some of my questions in regards to the PF they are using , here is your deserved merit Wink

and yes the main problem of the games like this is the possibility of the server admin to collude with one of the players or even be that player himself to win all the time
or when it is needed , since it won't be too conspicuous this way
PVP sites have this trust issues when you have to be absolutely sure the player that is betting against is not a house bot or a stooge
and with this type of a lottery game where the stakes determine the winning percentage you get , this is a big deal

Betting back the house bot on those PVP sites is dangerous, since now with the development of AI, there has truly intelligent machine is playing back you, but many sites are doing so. They are using their own PF system, claim to players which is provable... for their own benefits. And here we are not yet mentioned on many Scamming Sites out there.

veleten

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Quote from: Kenric Tran on December 09, 2019, 10:55:55 PM

Quote from: Ringg on December 03, 2019, 07:01:12 AM

Quote from: veleten on December 02, 2019, 02:55:59 PM

Quote from: Ringg on December 02, 2019, 11:05:49 AM

What external source of randomness are you using?
Doesn't seem to be provably fair.
Read up on our post regarding this if you are confused what I mean by this : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/provable-fairness-in-player-vs-player-be-cautious-5194336
Also this isn't an attack, just trying to understand if there's something I missed here that makes it provably fair.

I haven't really tested their provably fair extensively
but at the first glance it looks like your standard server hashed/client seed combination and they do not use any external randomness sources
not sure about the nonces though , and didn't find how to change the client seed
here is the screen of their PF section :

if anyone would like to check their provably fair and post it here , will be appreciated

They have no external source of random in their PvP site.
Meaning it's possible for the casino to :
- Create games with a skewed outcome
- Join games knowing the outcome (i.e only games they'll win if they join)

The way of this PF system is using in many online casinos out there, and it's not a truly PF system. Many articles had been identified its drawbacks, this is one of them https://medium.com/ginar-io/what-is-provably-fair-does-it-really-work-in-cs-go-gambling-fc32bc9d52a2

a very useful article
thank you posting it , answered some of my questions in regards to the PF they are using , here is your deserved merit Wink

and yes the main problem of the games like this is the possibility of the server admin to collude with one of the players or even be that player himself to win all the time
or when it is needed , since it won't be too conspicuous this way
PVP sites have this trust issues when you have to be absolutely sure the player that is betting against is not a house bot or a stooge
and with this type of a lottery game where the stakes determine the winning percentage you get , this is a big deal

Kenric Tran

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Quote from: Ringg on December 03, 2019, 07:01:12 AM

Quote from: veleten on December 02, 2019, 02:55:59 PM

Quote from: Ringg on December 02, 2019, 11:05:49 AM

What external source of randomness are you using?
Doesn't seem to be provably fair.
Read up on our post regarding this if you are confused what I mean by this : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/provable-fairness-in-player-vs-player-be-cautious-5194336
Also this isn't an attack, just trying to understand if there's something I missed here that makes it provably fair.

I haven't really tested their provably fair extensively
but at the first glance it looks like your standard server hashed/client seed combination and they do not use any external randomness sources
not sure about the nonces though , and didn't find how to change the client seed
here is the screen of their PF section :

https://i.imgur.com/Y5nCNkHh.png

https://i.imgur.com/0lcv2EBh.png

if anyone would like to check their provably fair and post it here , will be appreciated

They have no external source of random in their PvP site.
Meaning it's possible for the casino to :
- Create games with a skewed outcome
- Join games knowing the outcome (i.e only games they'll win if they join)

The way of this PF system is using in many online casinos out there, and it's not a truly PF system. Many articles had been identified its drawbacks, this is one of them https://medium.com/ginar-io/what-is-provably-fair-does-it-really-work-in-cs-go-gambling-fc32bc9d52a2

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on December 08, 2019, 08:46:44 AM

Apparently I have seen something that catches my attention, if a player puts in money suppose: 0.008BTC and another player does not match the bet but with a smaller amount, it favors the higher bet, but in case there are many players with smaller bets at 0.008, will the one who made the bet of 0.008BTC always have the advantage? Only I noticed that.

I believe basically like coinflip.

If you put smaller than him your percentage winning lower than him, you should put the same amount as he did then you will have the same chance percentage to winning.

LUCKMCFLY

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Apparently I have seen something that catches my attention, if a player puts in money suppose: 0.008BTC and another player does not match the bet but with a smaller amount, it favors the higher bet, but in case there are many players with smaller bets at 0.008, will the one who made the bet of 0.008BTC always have the advantage? Only I noticed that.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 07, 2019, 02:23:55 PM

Quote from: Blowon on December 06, 2019, 07:56:35 PM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 06, 2019, 06:15:39 PM

yeah we are surely seeing that this will be the bottleneck of this site. attracting players.
i came back today and guess what, i won my bet on supreem that i left yesterday!! lol i left because no one is playing. so that is really a terrible situation here. players will leave because no one is up to play. luckily we have 3 players online.
i dont think this site can continue like this. i know it is still in alpha but what can we expect in beta? will there be more players or still the same stats? this is the dilemma of most pvp sites tbh

Pleayers online seems bit quite, it's homework for team, consider supreem not yet popular.

Team should have more marketing or inovation to make people keep stay on casino, may be like add more games like players vs house.

i think thats one good suggestion - player vs house. at least the player will not have to wait another player to make a game. if theres no one around, he can opt to fight with the house.
lets hear from the dev team what are their next plans for this project...
because imo, even if they will run some sort of promotion, i dont think they can attract sufficient number of players that will sustain their network operations. as ive said pvp dilemma!

Most likely those who created pvp based game sites has lower bankroll than those creates player vs house game. If it is the main reason why they choose pvp based game then it is reasonable enough as it wont be good if they force themselves to create player vs house game while they have low bankroll. Yes I have to agree that it is a dilemma for any pvp based game sites as it is hard to get good player based.

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Quote from: Blowon on December 06, 2019, 07:56:35 PM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 06, 2019, 06:15:39 PM

yeah we are surely seeing that this will be the bottleneck of this site. attracting players.
i came back today and guess what, i won my bet on supreem that i left yesterday!! lol i left because no one is playing. so that is really a terrible situation here. players will leave because no one is up to play. luckily we have 3 players online.
i dont think this site can continue like this. i know it is still in alpha but what can we expect in beta? will there be more players or still the same stats? this is the dilemma of most pvp sites tbh

Pleayers online seems bit quite, it's homework for team, consider supreem not yet popular.

Team should have more marketing or inovation to make people keep stay on casino, may be like add more games like players vs house.

i think thats one good suggestion - player vs house. at least the player will not have to wait another player to make a game. if theres no one around, he can opt to fight with the house.
lets hear from the dev team what are their next plans for this project...
because imo, even if they will run some sort of promotion, i dont think they can attract sufficient number of players that will sustain their network operations. as ive said pvp dilemma!

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 06, 2019, 06:15:39 PM

yeah we are surely seeing that this will be the bottleneck of this site. attracting players.
i came back today and guess what, i won my bet on supreem that i left yesterday!! lol i left because no one is playing. so that is really a terrible situation here. players will leave because no one is up to play. luckily we have 3 players online.
i dont think this site can continue like this. i know it is still in alpha but what can we expect in beta? will there be more players or still the same stats? this is the dilemma of most pvp sites tbh

Pleayers online seems bit quite, it's homework for team, consider supreem not yet popular.

Team should have more marketing or inovation to make people keep stay on casino, may be like add more games like players vs house.

AmoreJaz

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Quote from: panjul07 on December 05, 2019, 08:34:26 AM

Quote from: bering on December 05, 2019, 08:18:47 AM

Everytime i login into my account i only saw 2 players online and seems one of them is me and the second one probably the admin itself and i just realize that i have a problem because i'm unable to using chat feature and i was trying to reload the site to ensure it because of my internet network but seems nothing wrong with my internet connection and i still cannot use chat feature until now

This is the main problem of a pvp based game site where it is very hard to see enough active players at the same time.
Especially if there is nothing attractive on the site, so do not hope too much from a new pvp based game site unless the site offers very attractive game and offers.
Coming up to the chat issue, it seems that you are the only one who experience this since I can see some other people post a message to claim the free btc but I'm not sure about the time of those chat.
Whether they posted it before you faced the issue or after you faced the issue.

yeah we are surely seeing that this will be the bottleneck of this site. attracting players.
i came back today and guess what, i won my bet on supreem that i left yesterday!! lol i left because no one is playing. so that is really a terrible situation here. players will leave because no one is up to play. luckily we have 3 players online.
i dont think this site can continue like this. i know it is still in alpha but what can we expect in beta? will there be more players or still the same stats? this is the dilemma of most pvp sites tbh

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Quote from: bering on December 05, 2019, 08:18:47 AM

Everytime i login into my account i only saw 2 players online and seems one of them is me and the second one probably the admin itself and i just realize that i have a problem because i'm unable to using chat feature and i was trying to reload the site to ensure it because of my internet network but seems nothing wrong with my internet connection and i still cannot use chat feature until now

This is the main problem of a pvp based game site where it is very hard to see enough active players at the same time.
Especially if there is nothing attractive on the site, so do not hope too much from a new pvp based game site unless the site offers very attractive game and offers.
Coming up to the chat issue, it seems that you are the only one who experience this since I can see some other people post a message to claim the free btc but I'm not sure about the time of those chat.
Whether they posted it before you faced the issue or after you faced the issue.

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Everytime i login into my account i only saw 2 players online and seems one of them is me and the second one probably the admin itself and i just realize that i have a problem because i'm unable to using chat feature and i was trying to reload the site to ensure it because of my internet network but seems nothing wrong with my internet connection and i still cannot use chat feature until now

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i guess the team should consider running some sort of advertising, promotion, marketing whatever you call it. i visited again the site and even the main game - supreem you need to wait for others to fill in. so atm you dont know how much you gonna wait to proceed with the game.
and considering to have 2 players online atm, what is the chance that they are in the 2 different games of the site? Grin

the free satoshis didnt give much of chance for the players to stay. i guess

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Quote from: panjul07 on December 02, 2019, 03:43:30 AM

Quote from: plast555 on December 02, 2019, 12:36:57 AM

I'm not sure I fully understand the logic of the game. I only guess this is a multiplayer game. Is this some kind of lottery? I watched a few games and saw that the odds of winning were continually changing. How do these possibilities vary?

Yes the main game is similar to lottery where players put some money on the pot then wait for the draw.
I'm not really sure how many players needed before the game starts, but for sure it is a type of lottery game while the 2nd game is coinflip which I can consider as another lottery game as it is like a lottery duel where you are against one other player to flip the coin.

Thank you for the explanation. But according to a platform whose only game is Lottery, I cannot say that I find the casino very conspicuous. It would be wrong to say that it offers a lottery game that is very different from other casinos. But I wish them good luck.

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OP Edit Provably fair out of your site until you fix it with at the very least using Random.org tickets as an external random source.
It's extremely misleading to say this is what provably fair is, and it's not acceptable in a PvP site.

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Quote from: veleten on December 02, 2019, 02:55:59 PM

Quote from: Ringg on December 02, 2019, 11:05:49 AM

What external source of randomness are you using?
Doesn't seem to be provably fair.
Read up on our post regarding this if you are confused what I mean by this : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/provable-fairness-in-player-vs-player-be-cautious-5194336
Also this isn't an attack, just trying to understand if there's something I missed here that makes it provably fair.

I haven't really tested their provably fair extensively
but at the first glance it looks like your standard server hashed/client seed combination and they do not use any external randomness sources
not sure about the nonces though , and didn't find how to change the client seed
here is the screen of their PF section :

if anyone would like to check their provably fair and post it here , will be appreciated

They have no external source of random in their PvP site.
Meaning it's possible for the casino to :
- Create games with a skewed outcome
- Join games knowing the outcome (i.e only games they'll win if they join)

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